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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23618304 - 09/06/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's not the greed. It's the power lust.


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Great Scott]
    #23618307 - 09/06/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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PeyoteZen said:
It's not the greed. It's the power lust.



Its the economic inscentives and legal obligations to increase profits


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23618326 - 09/06/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Greedy fucks! why do they have to "make more money"??? WHY is it that a billion isn't enough? Why do they need 3 billion or more??? WHy be so fucking god damn fucking greedy???

scenario:
corp.: it is our right to make 5 billion or more on this thing

people/etc...: well, you can make 2 billion, isn't that great?

Corp.: NO!!! We want 5 billion, it is our right as an american and corporation and capitalist to make that 5 billion, fuck everybody else! We want it because we are greedy pieces of fucking shit!

They WILL NOT TAKE LESS even though it would still be billions, it fucking sickens me and disgusts me beyond anything!!!

Corporate/capitalist greed is killing the world!!! Greed period is killing the world!!!

FUCK!! :dontdothat:




This phenomenon he's talking about, when individuals have more money than they or their progeny could ever use and still want more... It's the power lust. It exceeds basic greed of money.


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Great Scott]
    #23618330 - 09/06/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Apostle] * 1
    #23618628 - 09/06/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)




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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Deathby69]
    #23618735 - 09/06/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thats a good point. Maybe after Trump's election we'll see the birth of an edgy, teenaged, internet-dwelling
new radical left with all the dank maymays. Its been a looong time since the anarchists, socialists, syndicalists, etc
of America have had their day in the sun. Bill O'Reilly's head's gonna explode when he meets a real leftist.

Obama or Clinton(s) radicals?! That joke stopped being funny 20 years ago.


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23621045 - 09/07/16 07:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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specialpeopleclub said:
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PeyoteZen said:
It's not the greed. It's the power lust.



Its the economic inscentives and legal obligations to increase profits




Which wouldnt happen in an egalitarian society.


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23621642 - 09/07/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The alt-right and SJW's are both neo-liberal constructs designed to commodify real pollitical and social feelings we all have and make a killing.

We're all being played like chumps :sad:


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Great Scott]
    #23622008 - 09/07/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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We are still living off the prosperity of WWII, not the new deal

It isnt economically feasable, or corperations would do it so they could make money.




Would do what?

Underpay their employees so the federal governmemt can take up the slack?
Bust unions?
Lobby for way lower taxes and regulation?


Corporations* are doing everything in their power to make more money. Including abusing New Deal policies.



Im against government subsidies. They skew the market

They would switch over to selling us aternitive energy if it as feasable to them, because they wold make more money, It costs more to produce energy with alternative soucs still then with fossel fuels, especially with new refining methods and natural gas.




Im not exactly sure what youre advocating.

If youre saying get rid of oil subsidies to promote alternatives, then Im right there with ya.



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specialpeopleclub said:
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specialpeopleclub said:
We are still living off the prosperity of WWII, not the new deal

It isnt economically feasable, or corperations would do it so they could make money.




Would do what?

Underpay their employees so the federal governmemt can take up the slack?
Bust unions?
Lobby for way lower taxes and regulation?


Corporations* are doing everything in their power to make more money. Including abusing New Deal policies.



Im against government subsidies. They skew the market

They would switch over to selling us aternitive energy if it as feasable to them, because they wold make more money, It costs more to produce energy with alternative soucs still then with fossel fuels, especially with new refining methods and natural gas.


  Greedy fucks! why do they have to "make more money"??? WHY is it that a billion isn't enough? Why do they need 3 billion or more??? WHy be so fucking god damn fucking greedy???

scenario:
corp.: it is our right to make 5 billion or more on this thing

people/etc...: well, you can make 2 billion, isn't that great?

Corp.: NO!!! We want 5 billion, it is our right as an american and corporation and capitalist to make that 5 billion, fuck everybody else! We want it because we are greedy pieces of fucking shit!

They WILL NOT TAKE LESS even though it would still be billions, it fucking sickens me and disgusts me beyond anything!!!

Corporate/capitalist greed is killing the world!!! Greed period is killing the world!!!

FUCK!! :dontdothat:



You just have no understanding of economics. This is how it works. Compannies grow untill their model becomes obsolite or they stop being profitable, then they are supposed to fail.

Have you ever ran a buisiness?



NO, and I don't want to. I don't need millions/billions of dollars to make myself feel important or whatever it does for people that like/want that (it is NOT a need!). I would certainly be happy making a decent profit without trying to make as much as possible. I/we/they/people can not make someone have morals and good sense or not be greedy slimy pieces of shit. I'll be god damned if I say it is their right and I support it! It stinks! I can't change it, it doesn't seem to be changeable either. I just have to live my life and try not to think about it too much.

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PeyoteZen said:
It's not the greed. It's the power lust.



Its the economic inscentives and legal obligations to increase profits



How much "profits" does a motherfucker NEED? They (big money corps., etc.) make it at the expense of other people most of the time. There should be a cap on capitalism, LOL!

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tyrannicalrex said:
Greedy fucks! why do they have to "make more money"??? WHY is it that a billion isn't enough? Why do they need 3 billion or more??? WHy be so fucking god damn fucking greedy???

scenario:
corp.: it is our right to make 5 billion or more on this thing

people/etc...: well, you can make 2 billion, isn't that great?

Corp.: NO!!! We want 5 billion, it is our right as an american and corporation and capitalist to make that 5 billion, fuck everybody else! We want it because we are greedy pieces of fucking shit!

They WILL NOT TAKE LESS even though it would still be billions, it fucking sickens me and disgusts me beyond anything!!!

Corporate/capitalist greed is killing the world!!! Greed period is killing the world!!!

FUCK!! :dontdothat:




This phenomenon he's talking about, when individuals have more money than they or their progeny could ever use and still want more... It's the power lust. It exceeds basic greed of money.



YES! It fucking sucks the shit out of an elephant with diarrhea asshole! HATE IT! (and there is nothing I can do about it but try to ignore it and go on my way) BUT, I can vocalize my disgust with it, and not hang around people that want that in their lives. It has no place in mine.

Some people might say, "well, if you were really rich you would think differently about it maybe". Yeah if I was born into it (like over half of "those people" are) and


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23622014 - 09/07/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Some people might say, "well, if you were really rich you would think differently about it maybe". Yeah if I was born into it (like over half of "those people" are) and I didn't know anything else I MIGHT/MAYBE have that mindset, but I seriously doubt it. I have a conscious, some morals, and a sense of what is truly right.


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23622048 - 09/07/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What is an 'ebgalitarian' society? We have equal oportunity under the law. It isnt the government's job to make sure everyone is perfectly equal tos tart with. That hasnt ever been the case, and the govrnment cant cotroll things that well
People arent equal


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Some people might say, "well, if you were really rich you would think differently about it maybe". Yeah if I was born into it (like over half of "those people" are) and I didn't know anything else I MIGHT/MAYBE have that mindset, but I seriously doubt it. I have a conscious, some morals, and a sense of what is truly right.




The economy isnt run on morals. Rich people arent taking from you by being rich. Many people work for their wealth.
You would think differantly if you were rich, because you would kow something about economics instead of moralizing ad whining


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23622137 - 09/07/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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It isnt the govenments place to choose winners, because it cant and doesnt




Sometimes the government has to step in because the free market doesn't want to take the risk, or it's too expensive, or it would be too inefficient.

Things like technological standards sometimes need to be definitively mandated because letting competing technologies hash it out is expensive, logistically difficult and consumer unfriendly. How many people were left with useless Betamax machines, or whatever tried to complete with blu-Ray and lost? It's for these reasons that the government stepped in and mandated the implementation of HDTV.

Basic science has been left to governments because companies aren't interested doing that work.

Government needs to help finance research and development of alternative energy because oil is still cheap and it's hard to make a profit. We cant afford to wait for oil to become expensive enough that the free market will throw it's resources behind other technologies.


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23622210 - 09/07/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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tyrannicalrex said:scenario:
corp.: it is our right to make 5 billion or more on this thing

people/etc...: well, you can make 2 billion, isn't that great?

Corp.: NO!!! We want 5 billion, it is our right as an american and corporation and capitalist to make that 5 billion, fuck everybody else! We want it because we are greedy pieces of fucking shit!

They WILL NOT TAKE LESS even though it would still be billions, it fucking sickens me and disgusts me beyond anything!!!

NO, and I don't want to. I don't need millions/billions of dollars to make myself feel important or whatever it does for people that like/want that (it is NOT a need!). I would certainly be happy making a decent profit without trying to make as much as possible. I/we/they/people can not make someone have morals and good sense or not be greedy slimy pieces of shit. I'll be god damned if I say it is their right and I support it! It stinks! I can't change it, it doesn't seem to be changeable either. I just have to live my life and try not to think about it too much.

How much "profits" does a motherfucker NEED? They (big money corps., etc.) make it at the expense of other people most of the time. There should be a cap on capitalism, LOL!

Greedy fucks! why do they have to "make more money"??? WHY is it that a billion isn't enough? Why do they need 3 billion or more??? WHy be so fucking god damn fucking greedy???




This phenomenon he's talking about, when individuals have more money than they or their progeny could ever use and still want more... It's the power lust. It exceeds basic greed of money.



YES! It fucking sucks the shit out of an elephant with diarrhea asshole! HATE IT! (and there is nothing I can do about it but try to ignore it and go on my way) BUT, I can vocalize my disgust with it, and not hang around people that want that in their lives. It has no place in mine.




You are moralizing and anthropomorphizing the amorphous legal construct that is a corporation. The way
I've always seen it is like this:
-companies can't act morally because they will get bought out by the immoral companies
-it is actually illegal (though afaik the purpose of the law is arcane and it is never used) for a company's leadership to prioritize anything but profit above all else
-the consumer is at an extreme informational disadvantage, they don't know what is in a product or how it was made or what it cost
  therefore, if a company can sell some food $0.10 cheaper by using enslaved baby labor and adding lead acetate for flavor, the majority of consumers are going to buy that product

Capitalism works as described by Adam Smith given his assumptions, two of which are:
Infinite number of suppliers and an infinite number of consumers
Free and absolute information is available to all involved


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23622321 - 09/07/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You misunderstand, HU has extreme difficulty in simply identifying the problems, let alone articulating solutions.




And all this "person" can do is hurl insults, were you a bully in school by chance? I bet you were!


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: koods]
    #23622325 - 09/07/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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It isnt the govenments place to choose winners, because it cant and doesnt




Sometimes the government has to step in because the free market doesn't want to take the risk, or it's too expensive, or it would be too inefficient.

Things like technological standards sometimes need to be definitively mandated because letting competing technologies hash it out is expensive, logistically difficult and consumer unfriendly. How many people were left with useless Betamax machines, or whatever tried to complete with blu-Ray and lost? It's for these reasons that the government stepped in and mandated the implementation of HDTV.

Basic science has been left to governments because companies aren't interested doing that work.

Government needs to help finance research and development of alternative energy because oil is still cheap and it's hard to make a profit. We cant afford to wait for oil to become expensive enough that the free market will throw it's resources behind other technologies.




Govt is the solution to all problems, just ask N Korea, Venezuela, Greece, etc...


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23622363 - 09/07/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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specialpeopleclub said:
What is an 'ebgalitarian' society? We have equal oportunity under the law. It isnt the government's job to make sure everyone is perfectly equal tos tart with. That hasnt ever been the case, and the govrnment cant cotroll things that well
People arent equal


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tyrannicalrex said:
Some people might say, "well, if you were really rich you would think differently about it maybe". Yeah if I was born into it (like over half of "those people" are) and I didn't know anything else I MIGHT/MAYBE have that mindset, but I seriously doubt it. I have a conscious, some morals, and a sense of what is truly right.




The economy isnt run on morals. Rich people arent taking from you by being rich. Many people work for their wealth.
You would think differantly if you were rich, because you would kow something about economics instead of moralizing ad whining




I know the economy isn't "run on morals", that is completely and totally obvious!

Yes they "work for their wealth" after it was handed to them from relatives/friends/frat buddies or some stroke of luck with some hard work. Most of the elitist wealthy people keep it within a certain circle of privileged people who had the opportunities to be in the circle of power/wealth/business.

I am not saying they "are taking from me" because they are rich. I can whine, bitch, and say whatever I want against this insanity that is corporate/capitalistic. Economics doesn't NEED multi upon multi billions of dollars to only a few people. The greed and power is what's so fucking god damn sickening and putrid!

"They/the people in power" have the "power" to change the situation, will they? (I think not):sad::mad2::scat:


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23622392 - 09/07/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

AND, the fucking greedy slimy putrid fuckers who got the law passed saying a "corporation is an entity/human" should be drawn and quartered, I feel like this is what started the fucking insanity of power and greed to the extent it is today (or a MAJOR part of it). And of course, money got that shit done huh?:scat: A catch 22 of utter and fowl putrefaction!!!


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23622396 - 09/07/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You know Donald Trump had brothers, right? All of which were afforded equal opportunity under the same inheritance. One of Trump's brothers became an alcoholic and a failure, unable to carry on his Father's legacy. Trump, on the other hand, took that inheritance and those business loans from dad and succeeded with it. He took a multi-million dollar family estate and turned it into a multi-billion dollar family estate. You have to look at these things in scale and you can't underwrite someone's achievements simply because they were born with wealth. There is no inherent virtue to being born rich or poor. Let go of your jealousy, and envy, and covetousness. It's not good for you.


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Great Scott]
    #23622429 - 09/07/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

My point is they had/have MORE OPPORTUNITIES than the average person, hell even MOST people. They ones that succeed could do A LOT more good than they do.

jealousy, and envy, and covetousness
I might have a slight bit of any of these at times, but overall, NO! I catch myself and realize I'm better off where I am.

YES! I can underwrite their "achievements"  because of their sickening disgusting putrid and fowl actions!


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23622459 - 09/07/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You're still not letting it sink in. Donald's brother was a drunk and a failure, yet both him and Donald were afforded equal opportunity. This is a universal thing, be you rich or poor. Do you get it yet?


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