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The Ecstatic said: Marx killed millions of people in Asia?
Keep digging that hole...
under the communist party in China, 70 million starved. Many starved in Russia. In cmbodia, many starved and millions of the smartest people were killed, noone was punished.
It was all done in the name of communist ideals and communists dont take the blame. It always'wasnt actual communism'
capitalistic structures strive to find alternatives to exploit. when resources run out the price rise and we all know its happening. we wont suddenly run out. peak oil didnt happen, we got new refining methods and natural gas. eventually renewables may be competitive
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@4:10-4:30 is the moment.
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You keep saying Im advocating communism when Ive done no such thing.
Just because I know what it is doesnt mean I advocate it. I cant possibly put that any simpler for you. Sorry.
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The Ecstatic said: Marx killed millions of people in Asia?
Keep digging that hole...
under the communist party in China, 70 million starved. Many starved in Russia. In cmbodia, many starved and millions of the smartest people were killed, noone was punished.
It was all done in the name of communist ideals and communists dont take the blame. It always'wasnt actual communism'
capitalistic structures strive to find alternatives to exploit. when resources run out the price rise and we all know its happening. we wont suddenly run out. peak oil didnt happen, we got new refining methods and natural gas. eventually renewables may be competitive
so Marx is on the hook for a dictator on the opposite side of the world a half century after his death?
Is Adam Smith on the hook for the Khmer Rouge? Dont be absurd. Mao used communist rhetoric to galvanize the people behind his power structure. Same thing that Mussolini did in Italy, Hitler in Germany, Stalin after Lenin died in the USSR, and on and on. Did Hitler really have a socialist society? Hardly, when Henry Ford was building his vehicles.
Nobody has really ever come close to communism, the USSR got pretty close to true socialism, but that failed. As far as I can tell, the best model is a mix between capitalism and socialism. But the world is going to have to face the impending jobless economy sooner or later, and that will almost necissitate a universal basic income, and a tilt towards public ownes industries and commerce.
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The Ecstatic said: You keep saying Im advocating communism when Ive done no such thing.
Just because I know what it is doesnt mean I advocate it. I cant possibly put that any simpler for you. Sorry.
You're clearly playing devil's advocate for communism while denigrating capitalism. You've done this in other threads as well. If you don't actually believe we should replace capitalism with something else, then fine, we'll leave it at that. Thanks for taking us on another pointless loop to end up right back where we were.
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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Crystal G]
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Stealing from others at sword-point, and giving it to those you deem "needy" (after taking your cut to pay your swordsmen and other cronies) is NOT Christ-like. It not only is NOT charity - it ACTIVELY DISCOURAGES CHARITY by transferring the moral burden of FREELY CHOOSING TO GIVE onto a state that ROBS PRODUCTIVE PEOPLE and mechanically "redistributes" all wealth. We are not a more "compassionate" people by surrendering our labor )our bodies and minds) to the ownership of the state. The foundational premise of collectivism is unethical in the extreme. We have only to face it squarely and see it for what it is: universal slavery to the state.
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Islam is not a "race." Islam is not a "religion." Islam is AN INVASIVE POLITICAL and LEGAL SYSTEM of absolute intolerance for all other systems. It is spread by violence. Its (extravagant) metaphysical claims and demanding ritual observances make it A SYSTEM OF TOTAL SOCIAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL CONTROL. Islam is not a "group." It is a vast, world-conquering, multi-national society/cult. Its LAW holds sway as ***the law of the land*** in 55 NATION STATES. In 11 of those nation states, the "crimes" of homosexuality, adultery and apostasy (choosing one's own religion) are PUNISHED WITH DEATH.
Islam is supremely intolerant of other faiths and systems of government, and there are 59 commands in the holiest book of Islam, the Quran, to "kill the ubelievers wherever you find them" (Quran 2:191), to "strike their necks (behead them)," "cut off the tips of their fingers" - etc., etc., etc.
Violent verses are from the Medina period, after Muhammad moved from Mecca to Medina and began to spread Islam by the sword. Later verses (more violent) abrogate, or replace, earlier (more "tolerant" and peaceful) verses, if there is any conflict between the two - this, according to Muhammad himself. Islamic scholars don't even count the beginning of Islam, as a religion, until that violent period of killing all those who disbelieve, or refuse to convert.
Muhammad ordered 22 battles against peaceful communities whose only "crime" was refusing to accept his political and legal system. He himself participated in the slaughter in 8 of those battles. He ordered the execution of between 700 and 800 jewish captives.
Muhammad is the "supreme example" for all Muslims.
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The Ecstatic said: You keep saying Im advocating communism when Ive done no such thing.
Just because I know what it is doesnt mean I advocate it. I cant possibly put that any simpler for you. Sorry.
You're clearly playing devil's advocate for communism while denigrating capitalism. You've done this in other threads as well. If you don't actually believe we should replace capitalism with something else, then fine, we'll leave it at that. Thanks for taking us on another pointless loop to end up right back where we were.
How is that clear? Especially when I just said I think a mix of calitalism and socialism works best.
If you cant have a discussion without more than one viewpoint I have some bad news: the world gets a lot harder than this.
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Oh hello Mr. puppet, who is pulling your strings? Welcome to the shroomery!
I also would have a hard time following a faith that had Mohammed so prominent. However, the Old Testament features equally bad (if not worse) crimes, and it isn't as if any mainstream Christian or Jewish authorities have disavowed these acts and declared them unholy
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NoMoreLeftistLies said: Stealing from others at sword-point, and giving it to those you deem "needy" (after taking your cut to pay your swordsmen and other cronies) is NOT Christ-like. It not only is NOT charity - it ACTIVELY DISCOURAGES CHARITY by transferring the moral burden of FREELY CHOOSING TO GIVE onto a state that ROBS PRODUCTIVE PEOPLE and mechanically "redistributes" all wealth. We are not a more "compassionate" people by surrendering our labor )our bodies and minds) to the ownership of the state. The foundational premise of collectivism is unethical in the extreme. We have only to face it squarely and see it for what it is: universal slavery to the state.
Judaism is the first form of communism. LOL
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NoMoreLeftistLies said: Islam is not a "race." Islam is not a "religion." Islam is AN INVASIVE POLITICAL and LEGAL SYSTEM of absolute intolerance for all other systems. It is spread by violence.
it's a political and legal system within a religion, just like with Judaism. fuck me, you can't just make shit up with lies. you need to try harder.
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PeyoteZen said: You are retarded. Yes, I'm talking about YOU. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=that%20dog%20don%27t%20hunt
and the bumpkin referred to here is YOU.
that don't don't hunt...lol, but that dog isn't trained right, or elsewise isn't a hunting dog. you're that dog.
but dog will hunt, and Primus sucks.
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Primus sucks
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Crumist said: Oh hello Mr. puppet, who is pulling your strings? Welcome to the shroomery!
this should be easy to figure out when I have the time.
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PeyoteZen said: I don't glorify the greedy capitalists themselves so much as the capitalist system itself. If after the turn of the last century the tycoons hadn't conspired with the Federal Government to squash their competition/emergence of new scientific discovery and innovation; we could have potentially become a country (and a world) filled with industrial hemp farms and vegetable diesel-powered vehicles and the like. All these great things that a true free market would have provided for us...diverted and sabotaged by crony capitalist collusion with a corrupt government.
I agree 100% with this! YAY!
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capitalistic structures strive to find alternatives to exploit. when resources run out the price rise and we all know its happening. we wont suddenly run out. peak oil didnt happen, we got new refining methods and natural gas. eventually renewables may be competitive
But why the obsession with oil? Why not put all we can into alternative sources? Oil WILL NOT LAST FOREVER!
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PeyoteZen said: You are retarded. Yes, I'm talking about YOU. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=that%20dog%20don%27t%20hunt
and the bumpkin referred to here is YOU.
that don't don't hunt...lol, but that dog isn't trained right, or elsewise isn't a hunting dog. you're that dog.
but dog will hunt, and Primus sucks.
What in God's Holy name are you blathering about? The expression has nothing to do with whether or not hunting dogs are trained for hunting. Why do you do this?
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your expression is just liberal nonsense. don't even bother looking into the more true expression!
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The Ecstatic said: You keep saying Im advocating communism when Ive done no such thing.
Just because I know what it is doesnt mean I advocate it. I cant possibly put that any simpler for you. Sorry.
You're clearly playing devil's advocate for communism while denigrating capitalism. You've done this in other threads as well. If you don't actually believe we should replace capitalism with something else, then fine, we'll leave it at that. Thanks for taking us on another pointless loop to end up right back where we were.
How is that clear? Especially when I just said I think a mix of calitalism and socialism works best.
If you cant have a discussion without more than one viewpoint I have some bad news: the world gets a lot harder than this.
And you. You're a closet commie all the way. But you want to call it democratic-socialism or whatever it is you Bernie Bots are prone to call your hybridized ideology of increased FDR New Dealism.
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The fossel fuels we have now could last for centuries. peak oil didnt happen. eventually maybe we will have a viabloe alternative. chances are we will use every bit of oil and natural gas
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The Ecstatic said: You keep saying Im advocating communism when Ive done no such thing.
Just because I know what it is doesnt mean I advocate it. I cant possibly put that any simpler for you. Sorry.
You're clearly playing devil's advocate for communism while denigrating capitalism. You've done this in other threads as well. If you don't actually believe we should replace capitalism with something else, then fine, we'll leave it at that. Thanks for taking us on another pointless loop to end up right back where we were.
How is that clear? Especially when I just said I think a mix of calitalism and socialism works best.
If you cant have a discussion without more than one viewpoint I have some bad news: the world gets a lot harder than this.
And you. You're a closet commie all the way. But you want to call it democratic-socialism or whatever it is you Bernie Bots are prone to call your hybridized ideology of increased FDR New Dealism.
I want to expand on the programs that created the American Middle Class, yes.
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specialpeopleclub said: The fossel fuels we have now could last for centuries. peak oil didnt happen. eventually maybe we will have a viabloe alternative. chances are we will use every bit of oil and natural gas
Why not utilize the time and energy to find alternate energy sources instead of raping the earth and quite possibly setting something in motion that will be our demise? Greedy corporate oily bastards are the cause of not finding other sources for now.
I think people in control of the oil situatiuon are just saying "it won't happen in my life time or my kids, and if it does I won't see it, so fuck it, get every fucking drop and make as much as we can until it's down to the end!"
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