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The Ecstatic
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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Apostle]
#23612695 - 09/04/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Apostle said: All the current communist regimens are doing fine right now and their citizens have great lives.
I would argue zero communist regimes exist.
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North Korea exists. They're doing great.
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you can make the same argument about capitalism. in fact i think we both agree it's a corrupt and bastardized version we have now.
And yet flawed capitalism is still delivering more to its citizens than bastardized versions of communism are.
We are definitely leading in the right direction and i feel pretty safe putting my support behind Capitalism as being the most fair system for the individual.
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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: PatrickKn]
#23612711 - 09/04/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Theyre communist?
Theyre the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.
And if we know anything its that we can extract a nation's political and economic philosophies by their ruling party's name (USSR, CPC,). Therefore North Korea is a democratic republic, much like our own
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That's funny, gov't corruption and monopoly also turns out to be the natural end state of unfettered capitalism
(Paraphrasing) "much is said of the failures of communism in Cuba and the Soviet union, But what success has capitalism has brought to Africa and Latin America"
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I try to take what i hear about N.Korea with a grain of salt.
look at this architecture

Whatever system they have it does produce....something.
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The Ecstatic
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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Crumist]
#23612724 - 09/04/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Those brown people are just doin it wrong.
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The Ecstatic said:
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Apostle said: All the current communist regimens are doing fine right now and their citizens have great lives.
I would argue zero communist regimes exist.
There is still Laos Im pretty sure they are a communist dictatorship
North Korea has a few nice buildings and alot of starving people.
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Is there any proof of these starving people?
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specialpeopleclub said: North Korea has a few nice buildings and alot of starving people.
Don't mind them. That's the peasant class. We have those here too.
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The Ecstatic
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specialpeopleclub said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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Apostle said: All the current communist regimens are doing fine right now and their citizens have great lives.
I would argue zero communist regimes exist.
There is still Laos Im pretty sure they are a communist dictatorship
North Korea has a few nice buildings and alot of starving people.
Doesnt a dictatorship invalidate the tenets of communism? Im pretty sure it does.
Even so, Kissinger made sure half their nation was bombed into oblivion in the sixties I dont think its fair to call them a failure, no matter what theory theyre implementing.
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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: PatrickKn]
#23612743 - 09/04/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yea and i've seen soup kitchens that feed our peasant class decent food and even offered a vegan option.
America is a great country.
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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Apostle]
#23612755 - 09/04/16 09:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Apostle said: Is there any proof of these starving people?
they have picturesof the labor camps.
I dont have it specifically. Ive heard sources talk about it and seen video of inside the country
alot of countries were destroyed like that and came back from it. Thats a stupid statement. There is also no way for the workers to controll the resources without representation, and that is where the dictatorship comes. real 'communism' is an ideal that cant be met, trying to reach it always fails, and then its proponents(idiots) say it hasent been tried
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You believe in a Utopia Pipe Dream made possible by making government bigger and giving government more power
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alot of countries were destroyed like that and came back from it. Thats a stupid statement.
Then why did you say it?
I want to see the pics and videos and learn about what time period they are from.
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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Apostle]
#23612807 - 09/04/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Laos, Vietnam, N Korea, China, and Cuba are pretty heavily centralized economies that describe themselves in Marxist/Maoist terms. There are many socialist states
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PeyoteZen said: You believe in a Utopia Pipe Dream made possible by making government bigger and giving government more power
The state doesnt exist in a communist society, thanks for proving your ignorance so readily.
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Naw, you're just confusing anarchy for communism.
*Either that or you're under the false presumption that small tribes and communities that function communally can be translated to a large scale population and still function.
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The Ecstatic
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lol, no.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
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In political and social sciences, communism (from Latin communis, "common, universal")[1][2] is a social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money,[3][4] and the state.
ABSENCE OF THE STATE
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Like I said, it's a pipe dream.
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