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koods
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hostileuniverse said: The end result of liberalism is collapse, like what happened in Greece and Venezuela
Venezuela wasn't liberalism. That was a guy buying off the poor to set up a authoritarian dictatorship.
Greece was due to predatory lending practices and consumer debt.
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moonrockmushy
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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: koods] 2
#23605912 - 09/02/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: Two wrongs don't make a right.
Two bongs don't make a wrong
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Great Scott
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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: koods]
#23605914 - 09/02/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said:
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hostileuniverse said: The end result of liberalism is collapse, like what happened in Greece and Venezuela
A leads to B, which leads to C, therefore A has nothing to do with C.
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Ya know, an excellent trump card supporting the claim that liberals ruin economies would be the existence of a nation run on modern American conservative princies that is economically prolific.
Unfortunately said nation does not exist. In fact, the US is the closest thing to that capitalist utopia, and we're the poster child of inequality.
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koods
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That's being charitable. Look at Kansas. When the republican governor took over there a few years ago, he literally said the state would be a real world test of bedrock conservative economic policy. Well, the results are in and the state has become a financial disaster. Meanwhile, California fiscal situation dramatically improved after the republican governator was replaced by a democrat.
We have decades of real world, tangible evidence demonstrating that economic fortunes are much brighter under democratic leadership.
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Great Scott
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You still don't get it. I bet you even had your heart set on voting for Bernie and everything.
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The Ecstatic
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Maybe you can explain it then.
Why don't bedrock conservative principles seem to work anywhere? Why are more "liberal" (higher taxes, more social programs, higher regulation) nations and states and cities seem to always outperform their more conservative counterparts?
What evidence do you have whatsoever that would lend credence to the modern right wing economic agenda?
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Great Scott
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False premise. Try again.
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moonrockmushy said:
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PeyoteZen said: Two wrongs don't make a right.
Two bongs don't make a wrong 
Truest thing yet said in this thread
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The Ecstatic
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PeyoteZen said: False premise. Try again.
How convenient for you that you dont have to defend principles for which there is no evidence in lieu of my vague false premise.
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You structured your question like a true Marxist; skipping over heaps of direct evidence and cherry picking circumstantial evidence in order to form the supporting arguments leading up to your question in a way that erroneously frames them as foregone conclusions.
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How's that rational persona working for you, PZ?
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Inequity is part of capitalism we are still the ost prosperous place there is
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The Ecstatic said: Maybe you can explain it then.
Why don't bedrock conservative principles seem to work anywhere? Why are more "liberal" (higher taxes, more social programs, higher regulation) nations and states and cities seem to always outperform their more conservative counterparts?
What evidence do you have whatsoever that would lend credence to the modern right wing economic agenda?
Successful economic nation's and states usually succeed regardless of tax rates and regulations, I think you have the tail wagging the dog with your line of reasoning.
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Apostle
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The Ecstatic said: In fact, the US is the closest thing to that capitalist utopia,
If that was true big banks and businesses would be allowed to fail.
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Great Scott
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Sophistic Radiance said: How's that rational persona working for you, PZ?
Rational thinking works a heck of a lot better for me than what you got going on for yourself there, Soapbox Radical.
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Apostle
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did you watch the hill speech? holy shit i just found an edit of the pepe moment and it has me in tears.
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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Apostle]
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I buckled down and watched the entire thing, yes.
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How long was it?
i don't think i was able to keep going after i lost my shit laughing. i should probably finish it.
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koods
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Haha. It's funny because Hillary Clinton has defined what alt-right is. You can laugh at her simplistic, inaccurate or shallow representation, but outside of the people actually involved, what people know about alt-right is what Clinton just told them.
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