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Crystal G



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Visionary Tools said: Do muslims really know what they have submitted to, who their god is?
I think a lot of people legitimately don't know about their religion aside from what their imam has told them.
So if the imam just spreads messages of love and peace, and carefully only selects passages of the Q'uran to read that only contains those types of messages, then that person will believe that Islam is truly about love and peace. They will never know that Mohammed was a war criminal, or that he was a violent and sick, perverted psychopath who was clearly very psychologically ill.
That's the unfortunate truth and problem about religion and its effect on people, is that interpretation can vary greatly depending on who is the messenger. And most people are actually not curious enough to look into these things themselves.
It's amazing, I went to school with many Baptists and Episcopalians. Quite many of them didn't know that Jesus was not white--because it was not something they had ever been taught. None of them had ever had the forethought to go delve on their own and go searching for the truth about their own religion's history.
They just believed whatever they were told from their priests. If the priests had never mentioned that Jesus was never really born on December 25th, they would have continued believing that Christmas was Jesus' birthday. Many Christians to this day still don't know that the celebration of Christmas began as a Pagan holiday, where hordes of people would celebrate by getting drunk and smoking opium and having massive orgies together.
Some kids at the high school I went to were taught that Christianity was the first religion in the entire world, even though history has shown this is clearly false, and well..... impossible.
But of course, they are taught that history, archaeology, all non-fundamentalist education and media are all facets of "liberal propaganda" that had no science or real definitive data behind it...
Which is very convenient, if you ask me. It means if you bring up or cite any sources to prove otherwise, they will dismiss it, claiming every bit of information that you bring forth is "liberal propaganda, and therefore it doesn't count." Too damn convenient, if you ask me.
Either that, or I think even if Muslims do know about what Mohammed was really like, or even if they know about the questionable scriptures that are located in their holy books, they simply dismiss it as "Well, that was just how society was back in those days." Any time you bring up the Old Testament to Jews or Christians, that's what they all say too. They basically just dismiss it or excuse it as the barbaric customs of a BC/AD culture.
People as a whole simply aren't anti-authoritarian or anti-establishment enough to challenge these notions and ask defiant and brazen questions about their religion.
I've even seen liberal, pro-gay Muslims defend Muhammed's ownership of conquered women as sex slaves. Saying "Well that's just how things were back in the day, it could have been good in that particular circumstance, etc." Like bro, get real... under what circumstance could sexual slavery possibly be considered a good or holy thing?!?!?!
I guess that's a huge reason why I have such bad distaste for Islam, is because it's such an authoritarian religion (almost all religion to some extent is authoritarian, but especially true for the Abrahamic religions). And that authoritarianism and religious indoctrination is what has been used for centuries to justify the subjugation of women, for example. There's nothing possibly progressive about it.
Edited by Crystal G (08/25/16 11:03 PM)
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specialpeopleclub



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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Crystal G]
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I dont have a problem with private buisinesses discriminating on any basis. personally, I find it gross when people are fined or made to suffer legally over descrimination. That would be racist though, and it takes alot for me to go there Not that Ill be voting for trump
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Crystal G



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specialpeopleclub said: I dont have a problem with private buisinesses discriminating on any basis. personally, I find it gross when people are fined or made to suffer legally over descrimination. That would be racist though, and it takes alot for me to go there
So you admit it's racist or bigoted to discriminate people, yet you still advocate for it.
Do you realize if it weren't for anti-discrimination laws, there would be entire counties and even states that still to this day refuse to serve or hire certain minorities?
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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Crystal G]
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specialpeopleclub said: I dont have a problem with private buisinesses discriminating on any basis. personally, I find it gross when people are fined or made to suffer legally over descrimination. That would be racist though, and it takes alot for me to go there
So you admit it's racist or bigoted to discriminate people, yet you still advocate for it.
Do you realize if it weren't for anti-discrimination laws, there would be entire counties and even states that still to this day refuse to serve or hire certain minorities?
Its my property, I can kick you out for any reason. Maybe I do just not like how you look ad I dont want you touching my things I invested in and its purely my subjective reasoning. Its also, hypothetically, my property too
it isnt the governments job to impose culture. people want to divide sometimes. People need to correct themselves and find the level of diversity that is optimal.
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but the culture of america is "the melting pot" and accepting of all cultures.
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Great Scott
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tyrannicalrex said: but the culture of america is "the melting pot" and accepting of all cultures.
Tell that to the black barber in the black neighborhood who owns the barbershop with all the black clients getting their afros taken care of by the guy who specializes in it and knows how to banter in a culturally-compatible way.
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tyrannicalrex said: but the culture of america is "the melting pot" and accepting of all cultures.
That doesnt work. That is a failed social experiment. It saddens me that it is. Ir is terrible that, as soon as pressure is placed on peole we fracture up
I wont ever harm someone for their race, but i try to be realistic, and cautious, because i have been treated in a racist wy as a white by blacks, and I do hold it against them.
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Turtletotem said: So you guys are saying all Muslims are pedo's, or that Muslims have a higher rate of pedo's than other religious groups?
Several Arab cultures are very degenerate indeed, but to paint millions of people as mountain dwelling childfuckers is just retarded or deliberatly dishonest.
no, I'm saying you never really know someone until their face is plastered all over the news

or maybe you knew Jared was a pedo all along
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PeyoteZen said:
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tyrannicalrex said: but the culture of america is "the melting pot" and accepting of all cultures.
Tell that to the black barber in the black neighborhood who owns the barbershop with all the black clients getting their afros taken care of by the guy who specializes in it and knows how to banter in a culturally-compatible way.
 
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specialpeopleclub said:
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tyrannicalrex said: but the culture of america is "the melting pot" and accepting of all cultures.
That doesnt work. That is a failed social experiment. It saddens me that it is. Ir is terrible that, as soon as pressure is placed on peole we fracture up
I wont ever harm someone for their race, but i try to be realistic, and cautious, because i have been treated in a racist wy as a white by blacks, and I do hold it against them.
Well then, that is the weight you have to bear/put upon yourself.
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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Crystal G]
#23578176 - 08/25/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Crystal G said:
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specialpeopleclub said: I dont have a problem with private buisinesses discriminating on any basis. personally, I find it gross when people are fined or made to suffer legally over descrimination. That would be racist though, and it takes alot for me to go there
So you admit it's racist or bigoted to discriminate people, yet you still advocate for it.
Do you realize if it weren't for anti-discrimination laws, there would be entire counties and even states that still to this day refuse to serve or hire certain minorities?
would they be counties or states or would it be private businesses? do the people in the US have the right to believe in what they wish or should they only believe in what's government and liberal approved
BTW. why arent the anti-discrimination laws applied to those minorities?
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You're just being unrealistic is all.
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do you mean the guy amongst all the other black guys who specializes and banters is not black?
I'm not trying to argue a point with it, I just don't get the analogy.
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tyrannicalrex said: do you mean the guy amongst all the other black guys who specializes and banters is not black?
I'm not trying to argue a point with it, I just don't get the analogy.
Really?

I said in my post "black barber...afros...specializes". Are you just being intentionally thick or what?
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specialpeopleclub



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It doesnt bother me. You say it as though its a fault. Im just realistic. I hold no gilt for my distrust of ghetto subscribing blacks. If you are ghetto, if you glorify that wastoid, self entitkled, sub human way of being, if you talj like you got a cock in your mouth, or like you are always angry fuck you, I hope you die. there are ghetto whites too, and everyone laughs at them, and there arent as many. ive been attacked by one of them in my weaker(drunk) times also. He kiled himself though, so I just enjoy that thought. Hung himself. I hope he choked a minute or two and regretted his decision
hip hop and media have no effect on anything though fuckin stupid speech should be free, that doesnt make it inconsequential
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OK, I can agree to most of that. Got it.
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tyrannicalrex said: do you mean the guy amongst all the other black guys who specializes and banters is not black?
I'm not trying to argue a point with it, I just don't get the analogy.
Really?

Perfect pic! You're easy sometimes.
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Imamcipate yourself from mental slavery.
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tyrannicalrex
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LobsterSauce said: Emancipate yourself from mental slavery.
That should be a bumper sticker, T-shirt, Coffee mug, etc...
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LobsterSauce said: Emancipate yourself from mental slavery.
That should be a bumper sticker, T-shirt, Coffee mug, etc...
How dare you change the spelling of imamcipate which was a little nod to Islam.
Gosh, I'm furious.
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tyrannicalrex said: but the culture of america is "the melting pot" and accepting of all cultures.
Tell that to the black barber in the black neighborhood who owns the barbershop with all the black clients getting their afros taken care of by the guy who specializes in it and knows how to banter in a culturally-compatible way.
I've gotten a hair cut in one of those places.
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So many users here are sensitive little white boys who clearly got their feelings hurt when some black kids made fun of them. You may not be so little anymore, but that inner child is clearly still crying over some words that bruised your feelings, and you're too immature to get over it. It's a bit astonishing really. I'd expect more users here to know how to chop it up with some brothers of another color.
I'd love to see y'all get dropped into some of the neighborhoods I used to frequent.
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