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Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log
#23574528 - 08/24/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was gifted a couple L. Williamsii buttons today by an awesome friend. They're beautiful little things. About 7 years old, grown from seed. I've got a few T. Pachanoi that I've done OK with over the last few years. The real goal, however, was to get to know cacti a little bit and to get some peyote.
My problem right now is that I can't simulate the conditions they were grown in. My friend had them on his porch in a south-facing window with plastic over it to diffuse light. In my situation right now I don't have a suitable window that's not mostly shaded. I can't afford to buy or run any kind of HID light. Can a CFL suffice? That would be ideal. I have plenty of Daylight CFLs and a spare lamp
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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: 36fuckin5]
#23574533 - 08/24/16 11:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also, any good references would be awesome. Most of what I find on Google seems to be amateurs trying too hard, advertisements for miracle products and other sketchy stuff.
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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: 36fuckin5]
#23574564 - 08/24/16 11:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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A windowsil is perfect. I wont talk about soil because that just opens a can of worms. Everyone on here lately is so touchy feely about the pettiest shit its stupid. You know who you all are. 
May i suggest one thing though, a deeper pot. Even if its bigger than both of them combined, peyote is more root than button. Other than that, trust in your own insticnt.
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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: ferrel_human]
#23574748 - 08/25/16 12:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't have a south or north-facing windowsill that isn't blocked by a building 10 feet away. I have east and west-facing windows, but the guy who gave them to my said they're very easily sunburned. I mostly need advice on a cheap ndoor lighting source for now.
My instinct for plants tends to suck. I understand mushrooms, and they are wholly different from plants. My instincts don't work. I have never grown anything that isn't supposed to directly eat its' substrate aside from my few cacti that are only OK.
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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: 36fuckin5]
#23574772 - 08/25/16 01:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you got fluros, they work. But not too close. If its compact, test it with your hand if it burns you thwn further away. If you got tubes those can be real close.
They look good man. Dont sell yourself short.
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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: ferrel_human]
#23574839 - 08/25/16 01:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I had nothing to do with how they look right now. I got them today. I'm just really unsure of myself because I haven't been the best with my T. Pachanoi. I have some etiolation and such, and not the thickest growth. They're healthy for sure but maybe not optimal. I'm the kind of guy who has to be the best at the things I like, and if I'm not it bothers me when I'm not making progress.
That said, I will definitely take your advice into consideration but I'd like some other opinions as well. No offense to you but I've learned the hard way not to take the advice of one person from one forum with no backup.
What spectrum of light is best? That's my main concern. I get not burning things, I have been around plants, I just haven't grown them myself.
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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: 36fuckin5]
#23574859 - 08/25/16 01:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know they're moist and healthy and awesome right now, and I know they can deal without water or fertilizer for a good while, but I know if they don't get light for a while they'll start going South quick
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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: 36fuckin5]
#23574878 - 08/25/16 02:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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For seven year old plants they are small. I would repot them into a gritty, well draining mix with just a little wormcasts, and as ferrel says, into a larger, deeper pot. A CFL will keep them alive, but you won´t see any major growth. What spectrum of light is best? you ask. Mine do well with sunlight.
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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: Spanishfly]
#23574903 - 08/25/16 02:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sunlight isn't an option at the moment. I understand it would be best, but there's nowhere I can put them outside for at least a few months when my lease is up and I can move. I live in a grid. My only windows get way too much light or are blocked by buildings. I have a small backyard but the landscaping crew already knocked over a cactus in a 3-gallon bright blue pot and killed it with a weed whacker so I'm not willing to put these in my yard.
What would be my best option to keep these as optimal as I can until I get a better place?
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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: 36fuckin5]
#23574918 - 08/25/16 02:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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A window that gets way too much light for cactus? Oh I'd love some of those!  I'm sure lophs would acclimate to that spot easily enough.
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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
#23574941 - 08/25/16 02:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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North facing windows are useless. Start your plant in the east facing window, then move it to the west. If you're not comfortable with this, fluos will do. Just don't expect the plants to get that powdery blue skin we all love...
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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: 36fuckin5]
#23574963 - 08/25/16 03:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: Sunlight isn't an option at the moment. My only windows get way too much light or are blocked by buildings. What would be my best option to keep these as optimal as I can until I get a better place?
Aren´t your windows getting sunlight?? And what is too much light for a Lophophora? Lophs are desert plants and love the sun. Mine germinate and grow all their lives under the strong Mediterranean sun.
 This clump was a singleton 1" across when I brought it here 15 years ago.
Put them in your window. They may need a bit of shading at first until they are properly acclimated, but they will do way better than under a fluoro.
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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: Spanishfly]
#23575522 - 08/25/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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15 years? shit man, that's amazing!! I've seen plants 30+years old with smaller heads than that grew from seed yourself?
Spanish if you will believe it these plants I have are between 4-6 years old depending on the size, very hard grown in a 0% mineral mix in a greenhouse
  these came from a different grower but also 6 years
  I think that extra bit of organics you use (25%) as well as the bright spanish sun really make your plants grow quick!! I remember that argument where you were talking about flowering plants in 3 years, don't wanna get into that again but I'm starting to understand it I think.
36 very nice plants, I personally would put them into their own pots that are at least 2-3x as deep as the current taproot, and then I plant them up high so that they get all the room possible

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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: the_r3dz]
#23587845 - 08/28/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok, so I found one pot laying around that I could re-use for this. Do you guys think this will be good?
Also, any advice on when/what kind/how to use fertilizers would be appreciated as well as any links or recipes to your favorite soil for Lophs. I know I can search, and I have been, but there's lots of conflicting info from people who all seem to have healthy buttons.
I mention too much sunlight because the guy who gave them to me said they can get sunburned pretty easily. He had to diffuse a window through some plastic sheeting. Figured out I have a windowsill that sticks out just far enough to put the pot on, but it's in a West-facing window. It's shaded for part of the day but gets plenty of direct sunlight. I can't get pics of the spot without showing where I live and I'm not doing all that.
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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: 36fuckin5]
#23587938 - 08/28/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's a decent pot, might be a bit wide for the button but that's not always a big deal if you have a good mineral mix
any cactus fertilizer will do, schultz 2-7-7 cactus food is a pretty standard good one. low N high PK ferts
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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: the_r3dz]
#23588004 - 08/28/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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the_r3dz said: 15 years? shit man, that's amazing!! I've seen plants 30+years old with smaller heads than that grew from seed yourself?
Spanish if you will believe it these plants I have are between 4-6 years old depending on the size, very hard grown in a 0% mineral mix in a greenhouse
  these came from a different grower but also 6 years
  I think that extra bit of organics you use (25%) as well as the bright spanish sun really make your plants grow quick!! I remember that argument where you were talking about flowering plants in 3 years, don't wanna get into that again but I'm starting to understand it I think.
36 very nice plants, I personally would put them into their own pots that are at least 2-3x as deep as the current taproot, and then I plant them up high so that they get all the room possible
 
No I bought that when I was in the UK - about 1" across when I bought it to Spain in 2001 - I remember it flowered just south of Lyon. Your plants in the pics are good - look real healthy - are they new acquisitions? And I have grown Lophs from seed to flowering in 2 years before now. But I no longer count as my girls give me a continuous flow of Loph sprouts - many of which I have given away - as you would know, LOL !!
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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: 36fuckin5]
#23588041 - 08/28/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: Ok, so I found one pot laying around that I could re-use for this. Do you guys think this will be good?
Also, any advice on when/what kind/how to use fertilizers would be appreciated as well as any links or recipes to your favorite soil for Lophs. I know I can search, and I have been, but there's lots of conflicting info from people who all seem to have healthy buttons.
I mention too much sunlight because the guy who gave them to me said they can get sunburned pretty easily. He had to diffuse a window through some plastic sheeting. Figured out I have a windowsill that sticks out just far enough to put the pot on, but it's in a West-facing window. It's shaded for part of the day but gets plenty of direct sunlight. I can't get pics of the spot without showing where I live and I'm not doing all that.

That pot will be great - nice and deep. My mix for Lophophora and other Mexican desert cacti is well draining and gritty, with some lime and just a bit of organic material. 1.5 measures loam, 1 measure wormcasts, 5 measures coarse grit, 2 measures crushed marble.
And I give a weak fert fairly regularly, low in N and higher in P and K - stuff I am currently using is derived from bird guano - but there are loads - read the label.
And Lophophora are desert plants - mine love the powerful Spanish sun and do well on it - but they were mostly born here. Any new arrivals from Northern Europe have to be gently acclimated for a couple of months.
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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: 36fuckin5]
#23588834 - 08/28/16 11:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: Ok, so I found one pot laying around that I could re-use for this. Do you guys think this will be good?
Also, any advice on when/what kind/how to use fertilizers would be appreciated as well as any links or recipes to your favorite soil for Lophs. I know I can search, and I have been, but there's lots of conflicting info from people who all seem to have healthy buttons.
I mention too much sunlight because the guy who gave them to me said they can get sunburned pretty easily. He had to diffuse a window through some plastic sheeting. Figured out I have a windowsill that sticks out just far enough to put the pot on, but it's in a West-facing window. It's shaded for part of the day but gets plenty of direct sunlight. I can't get pics of the spot without showing where I live and I'm not doing all that.

The pot is fine. Just make sure the mix has good drsinage. If not i wouldnt even risk it going that big. I have square pots that are about 6 inches deep.
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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: ferrel_human]
#23588867 - 08/29/16 12:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I get that they're desert plants, but where I live is more like a rainforest than a desert. Not optimal conditions for sure. No natural cacti at all. My RH doesn't ever drop below 40% until Winter when it gets ridiculously cold.
When should I apply fertilizer? What are the signs I should look for, or what is the schedule I should be on? You guys say to use dilute ferts, but does that mean I should buy ferts and dilute in water, or to look for a more dilute fertilizer? Everyone seems to agree with low N and higher P and K so I'll do that.
As for lighting, coming from diffused sunlight through a South-facing window, and trying to acclimate them to more direct sun, what would be the procedure? Obviously take them in and out of the sun, but how often? Leave in full sun for a day and out one? In sun for half a day and out half?
I'm really not a plant guy. I understand mushrooms completely. Plants are a whole different world. I've bullshitted a few cacti to gain some skills, and I have, but I know Lophs can be picky and I'm not great at cacti. I just want to give these the best chance I can. I may not even ever eat any.
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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: 36fuckin5]
#23588886 - 08/29/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lophs picky? Hardly. Youd have to try really damn hard to kill a cactus. I mean tealy go out of your way and stab it and throw it on the ground and stomp on it. Maybe even harder. Given the right conditions and they take care of themselves.
Shaded light works best in my area. Then again the South Texas sun is killer around here. I dont feed mine anymore since i transitioned to rock. If you feed the old adage worka best "less is more"
Having so much humidity is not very good and ive lost some to straight days of high humidity here. But then again people grow great cacti in taiwan like kada does. So theres that.
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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: ferrel_human]
#23588909 - 08/29/16 12:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, that's the problem I'm finding. They're highly regulated so everyone's basically on their own depending on their climate.
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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: 36fuckin5]
#23588913 - 08/29/16 12:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Trial and error friend. Grow some through and tweek your methods. Many will be born but few will survive.
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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: 36fuckin5]
#23588994 - 08/29/16 02:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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When should I apply fertilizer? What are the signs I should look for, or what is the schedule I should be on? You guys say to use dilute ferts, but does that mean I should buy ferts and dilute in water, or to look for a more dilute fertilizer? Everyone seems to agree with low N and higher P and K so I'll do that.
The fert packet will give a recommended dilution - a given quantity in a litre or gallon of water. I make up a feed about half that strength and give it every other watering. I also give a little extra magnesium - an element necessary for the plant to make chlorophyll. About a quarter teaspoon of Epsom salts (magnesium sulphate) in a watering can a couple of times in the season.
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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: Spanishfly]
#23589216 - 08/29/16 07:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kada does a lot of root pruning and stuff to keep his plants with fibrous roots rather than taproot, makes them more able to take in water and less likely to rot
All of these questions can be answered by reading some cactus literature, I recommend xenophilia as a start
With cactus ferts it's always better to under do often than over do it occasionally If I have to water my plants I fertilize then with 1/4 strength cactus food but I always try to let the rain get them, Rain water has better ferts than any we can buy
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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: the_r3dz]
#23589620 - 08/29/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Would Pea gravel work for coarse grit? or Aquarium gravel?
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Re: Got a couple Lophs, need some guidance/ a grow log [Re: VorHeez]
#23589956 - 08/29/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would imagine aquarium gravel would be excellent.
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