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How does this affect you?
#23574270 - 08/24/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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How does this affect you?
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: Asante]
#23574338 - 08/24/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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He really is an excellent speaker. People always say that, but it really doesn't do it justice. His voice is just perfect for speaking, and he knows exactly where to pause, what words to enunciate, how to play words off each other, and then his whole body language just adds to it. The amount of gravitas his voice adds to his words is unreal.
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: Asante]
#23574344 - 08/24/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can certainly see why he was such a powerful figure. His public speaking skills are pretty much unmatched even today. Shame he used it to murder millions and start a failed empire, but if you were alive at the time and ethnically German, you'd probably be captivated by his rhetoric as well.
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23574351 - 08/24/16 10:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well it is important to mention the effect that the background music might have.
Wouldn't that be funny if Hitler was a public speaking professor?
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I read he was one of the first people to use massive loudspeaker systems to project his voice to whole towns. They also provided radios to as many families as possible as well, state funded. Probably the best public speaker of the 20th Century.
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: Asante]
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The other interesting part to me is that a lot of what he says in these is just standard political stuff. You kindof forget that the nazis were still politicians at the end of the day.
The stuff about how there are difficult times ahead, the country on the rise/awakening after bad times, it was bad before but things will get better now, but there is hard work ahead, and everyone needs to pitch in, that's all standard political stuff that's used almost universally. The stuff about how instead of the state helping the people, the people should help themselves. All very standard political lines. It's just weird to see even hitler using standard political lines like a regular old politician.
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: Asante]
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Doesn't really make me feel anything. The only thought that I really had is how similar him and MLK were when giving public speeches.
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: Asante]
#23574426 - 08/24/16 10:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have always found WWII stuff interesting, so find that video interesting.
But whenever I see Hitler ranting on about something, I always wonder how much speed the guy was on, he was quite the speed freak.
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: Lucis]
#23574536 - 08/24/16 11:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Very socialist. Terrible person.
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its national socialist. That means that any sense of humanity stops at your arbitrary ethnic border. National socialism is a form of tribalism where your tribe isn't humanity but a subgroup.
Think about it.
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: Asante] 1
#23574570 - 08/24/16 11:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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He also is specifically against having a welfare state, as he says in this video, which is what most Americans associate with socialism.
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: nooneman]
#23574960 - 08/25/16 03:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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nooneman said: He also is specifically against having a welfare state, as he says in this video, which is what most Americans associate with socialism.
If, by some historical accident America had adopted German rather than English as its lingua franca -if anyone knows of a good account of why this is, seeing as more Americans seem to claim German ancestry rather than Brittish- there's a good chance that without the language barrier Americans may have been swayed by Hitlers rhetoric as well, and backed Hitler over Churchill.
The outcome of WW2 might have been totaly different, indeed their may not have been a 2nd world war if Americans had backed the Kaiser, though that's far less likely given America's historic aversion to emperors and kings.
It would be interesting, to say the least, to visit that alternate timeline/dimention where German had been the language adopted in America, just to see how it turned out.
Anyone here good at making polls.  Would the world have been if America had opted for German rather than English. 1. Better. 2. Worse. 3. My kingdom for a STALion.
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: Asante]
#23574988 - 08/25/16 03:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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As an orator myself, I respect him as an absolute master of the craft.
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: Asante]
#23574993 - 08/25/16 04:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Considering I'm not a 1930's German citizen? Doesn't affect me at all really.
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: 404]
#23575007 - 08/25/16 04:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It made me realise I had no desire to pause my music to listen to 10 minutes of some crackpot giving a speech, no matter how good he might be at doing so.
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The German people had suffered unnecessarily for years, so Hitler was only saying what they wanted to hear.
People have to understand that you can't push people like German's to the human limit and not expect a major backlash.
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: Asante]
#23575295 - 08/25/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It doesn't because it's been shoved in our history classes and culture for ages that he was an awful man but a great leader. I learned nothing and experienced no change in emotion from your video.
If I was just learning of his treacherous streak than maybe that would have illicited emotional response.
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: qman]
#23575493 - 08/25/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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qman said: The German people had suffered unnecessarily for years, so Hitler was only saying what they wanted to hear.
People have to understand that you can't push people like German's to the human limit and not expect a major backlash.
Are the Germans supposed to be special in some way in this? If any group are pushed beyond "the human limit" they will, if not in a major way, but at least to the extent of their abilities, engage in some sort of backlash. From each according to their ability...to pay back those that are considered their oppressors...or some such thing.
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: deucedbi9] 2
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This makes me want to make Germany great again
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: Turtletotem]
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Turtletotem said: This makes me want to make Germany great again 
It's coming, just wait until a major terrorist attack hits Germany, they're not buying into the "it's just a normal part of life now" narrative that the French politicians have been spewing out.
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: qman]
#23575575 - 08/25/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Qman, I think you may be right. I am Dutch myself, we should chat sometime about how weirdly the EU countries handled the refugee crisis.. it's quite shocking to me, to be honest.
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: deucedbi9]
#23575608 - 08/25/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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He was very good at capturing the public's sense of entitlement...offering the things that they desire....shame he didn't mention exterminating 17 million people to get there.
He also used words like "great" and "beautiful" a lot....kinda reminds me of someone in our presidential race.....someone orange in color.
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Noone even mentions the reconqista. Kick the oors out. Fuck them.
race is not arbitrary, culture is real, some groups are better then others.
It always annoys me that they greatly overestimate the umber of jews killed and the number of native Americans killed. There werent ever ten million Natives in America durring that time Six million Jews? Thats insane. Were there even that many in all of Europe?
It was prety bad, we have the pictures of starving peopple and piles of bodies, but still seems like propaganda
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specialpeopleclub said: Noone even mentions the reconqista. Kick the oors out. Fuck them.
race is not arbitrary, culture is real, some groups are better then others.
It always annoys me that they greatly overestimate the umber of jews killed and the number of native Americans killed. There werent ever ten million Natives in America durring that time Six million Jews? Thats insane. Were there even that many in all of Europe?
It was prety bad, we have the pictures of starving peopple and piles of bodies, but still seems like propaganda
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: Asante]
#23575719 - 08/25/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think its sad to see a country so beaten down that the government was able to become such a thing as it did.
The end of WWI truly desecrated Germany.
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: Turtletotem]
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Turtletotem said: Qman, I think you may be right. I am Dutch myself, we should chat sometime about how weirdly the EU countries handled the refugee crisis.. it's quite shocking to me, to be honest.
Go to the Politician Discussion forum, there's several huge threads discussing those issues.
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: Turtletotem]
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specialpeopleclub said: Noone even mentions the reconqista. Kick the oors out. Fuck them.
race is not arbitrary, culture is real, some groups are better then others.
It always annoys me that they greatly overestimate the umber of jews killed and the number of native Americans killed. There werent ever ten million Natives in America durring that time Six million Jews? Thats insane. Were there even that many in all of Europe?
It was prety bad, we have the pictures of starving peopple and piles of bodies, but still seems like propaganda
Diarreah of the mind.
there are so many lies, nothing is ever to be believed. a camera points, what is behind the camera just out of view? what is behind the words spoken?
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It made me realize that if I listened to a lot of what Hitler said I would more understand why people followed him.
What do you guys think about the idea that what America is witnessing right now is the rise of their own hitler in Trump?
Not saying he is evil or whatever but the idea that America is now a downtrodden, disheartened country that is now electing a classic demagogue for the same kind of reasons, and the long term results could be far beyond what the people voting for him could imagine...
I am not anti-trump per se, but I see a validity in the claim that America is going through its own "elect a demagogue" moment with Trump ...
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: Moonshoe]
#23575974 - 08/25/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Politicians the world over have been compared to hitler since WW2. It's an easy comparison to make because hitler says all the standard political lines that all politicians say.
I hate trump, but he's no hitler. Nor was Obama, nor was Bush (both of whom I quite vividly remember frequently being compared to hitler). That stuff about making a country great again after a period where the country was shit is repeated by virtually every politician. Very standard stuff politically.
In fact, people have a tendency to believe that their current state is fallen and that the past was great, and that they need to return to it (regardless of the reality). You see this in most mythology (eg Norse mythology) in which the mythological and heroic ages are both over and the present time is depicted as a fallen/corrupted state. You even see this in christianity with the fall from eden, leaving egypt for the desert, the promised land, etc. Something about human psychology probably makes the past seem great and the present seem shit even if the past was actually shit and the present is actually pretty great.
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: Moonshoe]
#23576156 - 08/25/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: It made me realize that if I listened to a lot of what Hitler said I would more understand why people followed him.
What do you guys think about the idea that what America is witnessing right now is the rise of their own hitler in Trump?
Not saying he is evil or whatever but the idea that America is now a downtrodden, disheartened country that is now electing a classic demagogue for the same kind of reasons, and the long term results could be far beyond what the people voting for him could imagine...
I am not anti-trump per se, but I see a validity in the claim that America is going through its own "elect a demagogue" moment with Trump ...
Trump is not Hitler or I should say he isn't YET.
Nothing about who Trump currently is or has been is relatable to Hitler at all.
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: Connoisseur]
#23576207 - 08/25/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Even without subtitles you can get sucked in his speeches. You don't even haveto understand what he says. It's as if his tone, pauses and articulations are what the human brain needs to stay interested. kinda like a good song with a perfect beat to it.
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Re: How does this affect you? [Re: Moonshoe]
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Moonshoe said: It made me realize that if I listened to a lot of what Hitler said I would more understand why people followed him.
What do you guys think about the idea that what America is witnessing right now is the rise of their own hitler in Trump?
Not saying he is evil or whatever but the idea that America is now a downtrodden, disheartened country that is now electing a classic demagogue for the same kind of reasons, and the long term results could be far beyond what the people voting for him could imagine...
I am not anti-trump per se, but I see a validity in the claim that America is going through its own "elect a demagogue" moment with Trump ...
That's what I was saying about the use of the words great and beautiful....Trump adores those words, although mostly because his vocabulary doesn't exceed them. Putin also fits into this mold...basically, people who insist on having things done their way and if you cross them...you disappear. It would not be a far stretch to say that, given power, Trump would try to impose himself to garner more power. And, our economy is nowhere near what Germany's was like shortly after WW 1. We still have things pretty damn good here, all things considered. People like Trump and Hitler are very good at making you think you have less than you actually do. I mean, think about it....How many other countries have such a high percentage of people owning automobiles...and many times multiple cars? We have decent health care where no one can be turned away in an emergency...and, even the poorest of us are pretty much over weight. It is this sense of entitlement that is played on by all politicians...trying to make you think that they can give you more. We're basically a bunch of spoiled brats in the eyes of most other countries.
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When I see this, I imagine what he'd say if he was told what would be going on in Germany in the years and decades following 2016. And what he'd say when he realized that what he did had the opposite effect of what he tried to accomplish - in the long run. And then I ask myself what would have happened if you sent him back to 1930, where he would edit "mein Kampf" to exchange every mention of the word "jew" with "muslim". Sure as hell Jews would have been the most evil nazis of them all.
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