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Re: Anastomosis [Re: Inocuole]
    #23614937 - 09/05/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hi,
Malachite green (Aquarium shop) and Lactophenol blue (microscope outlets) are both pretty cheap and excellent at staining chitin, the major element in fungal cell walls. Problem is they most probably kill the mycelium at a staining strength!, dark field microscopy could be good for live mycelial growth if you can apapt your scope. I've read somewhere about mycelium being grown in a medium on a slide itself/ between slides? can't remember :wink: keep up the good work!


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Re: Anastomosis [Re: wormpoo]
    #23615121 - 09/05/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I can't remember if what I wrote about was from TMC or GGMM. I lent my copy of TMC to a friend, and I'm house sitting so away from my copy of GGMM, but next time I go home I'll see if I can post an excerpt.


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Re: Anastomosis [Re: NumeroEno]
    #23615350 - 09/05/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I just read GGMM cover to cover and don't remember seeing anything about individual spores. just an fyi


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Re: Anastomosis [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23616485 - 09/05/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Anastomosis [Re: NumeroEno]
    #23618368 - 09/06/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Praise him.


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Re: Anastomosis [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23663307 - 09/20/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Im in on this wanna read more but busy


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Re: Anastomosis [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23664078 - 09/21/16 04:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Anastomosis [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
    #23664615 - 09/21/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: Anastomosis [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23665195 - 09/21/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

ive been trying to learn more about this lately, since i am fascinated by the dynamics of strain organization and interaction in a multi-strain culture. and any genetic exchange at this point in the lifecycle is damn interesting

i was about to throw away a few hundred plates, so i went through them individually to look for anything of interest, and noticed a particular variety has a strong propensity towards developing that crackle looking pattern i posted a pic of earlier in the thread. it has mainly been that same race (AA ), and it takes a while to start developing

I was able to find about a dozen examples, and will photograph them shortly and post pics for talking points. soon i will have a microscope set up to take time lapse videos, and maybe i will be able to catch it during formation

i dont know how much or if it is indeed anastomosis involved, but it seems likely. at first i thought it must be some kind of reaction to bacteria, but the plates seem clean... idk


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Re: Anastomosis [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #23674199 - 09/24/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

let this one go a bit too long is this anastomosis?


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Re: Anastomosis [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23674571 - 09/24/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Nah anastomosis is the process of monokaryotic cultures mating, or in some cases, dikaryotic isolates mating to form a third culture. RR did that with rattlesnake venom to produce PE6. You can't see it happen without a microscope, unless you do it like RR did and a third sector appears at the point where the 2 single sector isolates meet. What you have there is the mycelium that gives way to fruit body formation (the stuff that looks kind of like chain lightning). The anastomosis all happened when the individual monokaryons mated right after the spores germinated.


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Re: Anastomosis [Re: NumeroEno] * 1
    #23674583 - 09/24/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Oh ok cool everything about this is interesting as fuck i doubt ill ever get that deep into it but just learning everyday new shit is cool and i really enjoy it


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Re: Anastomosis [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23674617 - 09/24/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You seem to be pretty serious about cultivation and a quick learner. Definitely check out the PDF of the Stamets book I posted. That will teach you a lot. You'll be surprised how much information you'll absorb just from being active on the forum.

Anyway, if you want to do your own anastomosis experiment, take a swab of PE, take a swab, of a regular cube, streak them over each other on the same plate, and take a transfer from the last part of your streak. There's a chance you'll get a hybrid that way. It's been done before. You can also do it with a serial dilution of spore solution. If you dilute it enough you can get monokaryotic cultures and mate them on a new plate.


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Re: Anastomosis [Re: NumeroEno]
    #23674633 - 09/24/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ya im taking my star gazers and pe to some tgis weekend i will read that i appreciate i have to drive a few hours will talk later friend


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Re: Anastomosis [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23674771 - 09/24/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

To be fair there probably is some anastomosis happening in that plate but as Eno said we can't see it without a scope.

My trials with rustywhyte have all depended on anastomosis to some degree.


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Re: Anastomosis [Re: NumeroEno]
    #23674782 - 09/24/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You seem to be pretty serious about cultivation and a quick learner. Definitely check out the PDF of the Stamets book I posted. That will teach you a lot. You'll be surprised how much information you'll absorb just from being active on the forum.

Anyway, if you want to do your own anastomosis experiment, take a swab of PE, take a swab, of a regular cube, streak them over each other on the same plate, and take a transfer from the last part of your streak. There's a chance you'll get a hybrid that way. It's been done before. You can also do it with a serial dilution of spore solution. If you dilute it enough you can get monokaryotic cultures and mate them on a new plate.



How would this be a hybrid?  I guess in the sense of strains but not in the sense of species.  That is a little more interesting to me but I don't have any experience myself.  Some interesting literature out there tho.


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Re: Anastomosis [Re: drake89]
    #23674870 - 09/24/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It wouldn't be a species hybrid but cube hobbiests refer to varietal crosses as hybrids as do cube spore vendors. It's technically incorrect nomenclature but such things are slow to change in our hobby.


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Re: Anastomosis [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23675085 - 09/24/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Crossing 2 varieties of landrace Cannabis indica is also called a hybrid, for example.


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Re: Anastomosis [Re: NumeroEno]
    #23675221 - 09/24/16 08:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think as long as you specify whether it's a "strain" or interspecies hybrid, it negates the need to find a new word.


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Re: Anastomosis [Re: Inocuole]
    #23675573 - 09/24/16 11:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

How come taking fresh spores is the best way rather then mixing colonized spawn? Is it just because you can see the growth better that way?


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