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valdeise
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Upcoming trip - questions
#23572721 - 08/24/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi guys. Can you help with some advice please?
Im trying to do a therapeutic, insightful trip solo on magic mushrooms and MDMA, to change a behavior, an addiction of sorts.
I'm planning on taking 3 to 3.5 grams of dried mushrooms combined with about 100 grams of MDMA when effects of mushrooms come on, then followed by 50 grams of MDMA 2 hours after that.
As background, I've had one trip on 3.5 grams of same mushrooms a year ago and did not find it helpful. I also had a part where I became very anxious to the point of throwing up. Feel like it was a beginning of a bad trip that I was able to calm down from. I've also done MDMA twice before, 2 months and then 1 month ago. I've also been micro dosing these same mushrooms for about 1 month up until a week ago every 3 days with just a fingertip swab of powdered mushrooms.
I'm thinking of doing this trip on Friday coming up, in the morning, solo.
Could you give your opinion on the following questions:
- did my recent micro dosing with mushrooms build up tolerance where I'm better off taking larger mushroom dose? - is this a good idea for insights or therapeutic effects rather then "tripping balls" or will I be too far gone to take anything back? - am I taking too much of everything? - anything else you could offer as advice, hopefully from your own experience?
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Re: Upcoming trip - questions [Re: valdeise]
#23573339 - 08/24/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Miligrams man not grams. 100 grams of MDMA would be able to kill at least a dozen people.
I can't really give you dosage advice on the MDMA but as for the mushrooms what went wrong on your first trip? You said you didn't find it helpful and you also said you got nauseous..
Did you fast before you do it? You're supposed to fast and make sure you have nothing toxic in your system if you want the most out of it. Others also say to have a vegetable only diet for at least 24 hours beforehand if you once again want to get the most out of it but you should most definitely be fasting for at least 6 to 8 hours before ingesting them. And you obviously want to have no alcohol in your system.
I don't think the microdosing would effect it because it sounds like it's been long enough and I don't really understand your second question.
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Re: Upcoming trip - questions [Re: ruaware]
#23573347 - 08/24/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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ruaware said: The fact that you know you have a problem and that it needs to be fixed tells me you don't need to trip.
Who knows he may need his ass kicked by psilocybin to really get him to change or fix things
Some peeps just need that shock
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I'd say try tripping again first just on mushrooms, and make sure you have an empty stomach. Maybe try lemon tek if you think it might help. Best to experience mushrooms on their own before you start adding other chemicals to the mix IMO. But if you do add mdma use half the dose of both substances. Good luck.
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Thank you all for responding.
I did not end up doing it this past Friday as I didn't have enough time for it's full length and not be bothered by anything. I will try next Thursday possibly. I have done MDMA with a profession therapist, which was good but I think doing it by myself after was more helpful. So even though the therapist offering to be my professional sitter, I'd rather do it myself, and not chicken out by having someone there.
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AuroraBorealis88 said: Miligrams man not grams. 100 grams of MDMA would be able to kill at least a dozen people.
Yes of course, miligrams That was dumb of me.
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I can't really give you dosage advice on the MDMA but as for the mushrooms what went wrong on your first trip? You said you didn't find it helpful and you also said you got nauseous..
Nothing seemed to go wrong, I just didn't have that profound mystical experience. I thought I just mostly went to sleep, and would wake up when my sober brother, who was a sitter for me, would come into the room. Just nothing memorable except for some somewhat insightful thoughts, that's about it. Also did experience a short lived panic attack that made me nauseous I believe or maybe vice versa, not sure. Trying to prevent that fearful response through infusing MDMA into the mushrooms experience. Thanks for responding.
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Re: Upcoming trip - questions [Re: valdeise]
#23587382 - 08/28/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well the same thing actually happened to me on my first mushroom trip. It was extremely powerful and reality dissolving and absolutely killed my ego but it wasn't meaningful or spiritual at all really just a very strange experience.
Mushrooms tend to filter themselves the first time you take them. I would take the MDMA an hour or an hour and a half after you start feeling the mushrooms.
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reality dissolving and absolutely killed my ego
Interesting. Isn't what they call ego death? And it's supposed to be a profound experience? You didn't see it that way? I couldn't say that about my experience. At it's peak it just fealt like I was in deep sleep, maybe somewhat conscious, and some religious thoughts/images. But I didn't see it significant or much different then just sleeping.
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Mushrooms tend to filter themselves the first time you take them.
Could you elaborate on this, what do you mean?
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Re: Upcoming trip - questions [Re: valdeise]
#23587919 - 08/28/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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valdeise said: Interesting. Isn't what they call ego death? And it's supposed to be a profound experience? You didn't see it that way? I couldn't say that about my experience. At it's peak it just fealt like I was in deep sleep, maybe somewhat conscious, and some religious thoughts/images. But I didn't see it significant or much different then just sleeping.
Ya well it was a powerful experience and I did feel reborn after so it was sort of profound in that sense but it didn't feel super profound and meaningful and hortatory and salvational like my other trips. I saw a lot of ancient and Mayan imagery on my first trip and even began to perceive technoscapes and giant transforming machinery but it just did't feel meaningful. It didn't feel as important as my other future trips, didn't feel as spiritual or loving and it wasn't nearly as introspective. It was just like a preview or tour of the mushroom space but it wasn't until my future trips that I actually resided there and lived lifetimes and learned lifetimes.
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"Mushrooms tend to filter themselves the first time you take them"
Could you elaborate on this, what do you mean?
Well mushrooms are a living entity, they have many resources and many tricks up their sleeve and they'll always show you new things but it's not gonna bust out anything too crazy or wild on you on your first time. It just takes it easy on you I can't explain it, it treats you like a new user and it is kind. Your relationship has to grow with the mushroom and it may sound ridiculous and everything but that's really the truth.
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For me the most "profound" experience in the whole psychedelic universe was 'coming home' feeling I would occasionally get. I only got it on mushrooms never on LSD but I hear about many experiencing this on DMT so can't wait to do that 
It was the feeling of returning and being in an utterly alien and cosmic world/realm but feeling like you've been there a million times before and that when you die this is where you will return and it's the most emotional thing ever.
That was by far the most profound part of the psychedelic experience for me.
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It's awesome the way you describe it. I'm looking forward to learning something from it. A friend kept saying to "just do it" another time, maybe thinking the same as you - that first time is not indicative.
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Mushrooms tend to filter themselves the first time you take them. I would take the MDMA an hour or an hour and a half after you start feeling the mushrooms.
Do you give this timing to have MDMA overlap with mushrooms come down? I think I remember it was at the end I had the panic attack on mushrooms last time. I also planned on chaser dose, half of first one, about 2 hours after the first dose of MDMA. Do you think I will be too far gone on 3.5 g of mushrooms to manage to do that? I was going to set an alarm.
Thanks for your feedback.
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Re: Upcoming trip - questions [Re: valdeise]
#23593433 - 08/30/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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valdeise said: Do you think I will be too far gone on 3.5 g of mushrooms to manage to do that?
That's hard to say, you might or you might not. The weird thing about shrooms is that sometimes an eighth is really fucking strong and you can't do anything but other times you'll be tripping balls but can act normal in some strange way.
The booster dose may be a good idea but I feel dosing the MDMA about an hour or 1.5 after you first start to feel the mushrooms are perfect. I feel the peak/comedown would synergize well. I already find the second half of a mushroom trip to be somewhat MDMA like.
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Thanks. I'll give it a try tomorrow. I have to admit I'm a bit nervous, not doing it for fun. I'll be by myself, at home and plan on taking 3.5g of mushrooms starting at 10am and follow it up with smaller doses of MDMA, what I think will be 60-70mg of MDMA. Then a booster dose of about 30-40mg 2 hours after that. I have mushrooms in vegetable capsules so I think I'll dissolve them in water and drink it up like that. I don't like the idea of boiling them.
I have small expectations of anything significant happening, but more just to get through it and over with, as I've been planning this for a while. I know sounds maybe like a weird attitude, but just would like some insights to add to my current life situation.
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Re: Upcoming trip - questions [Re: valdeise]
#23597442 - 08/31/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, as reccommended above, trip on just the shrooms. Keep your experiences separate until you have tried each one a comfortable amount of times. I wish I had done that a little more. If you really do totally feel comfortable (even with your prior bad experience) taking a booster like MDMA and you KNOW you can handle it, then you will be absolutely fine. Either way nothing serious will happen. I just would rather take an eighth of shrooms and chill and smoke. Personal preference, I guess. I have combined all sorts of substances. Either way, be safe and don't make irresponsible choices that could harm those around you and you'll be fine. Also, dont obsess too much about the exact doses of shrooms. That's not as important as you would think. People stress dosage way too hard.
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Have you ever mixed MDMA and Mushrooms? What's the difference of only mushrooms vs adding MDMA to it? If you tried that could you share?
And my uneventful experience with a streak of anxiety was on these same mushrooms of 3.5 g and nothing else. So I thought I'd add MDMA to avoid a bad trip.
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Also if you are by yourself I wouldn't take the mdma. You may find yourself all hyped looking for something to do instead of enjoying your trip!
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Maybe if you're gonna be by yourself, try taking like 2.5 or so if you had a bad trip last time. As someone who suffrs anxiety, I don't want my trip sped up by mdma unless I'm trying to intensify it. And if you are worried about a bad trip I would think you want it sloooow you know?
That being said, a small dose of MDMA could potentially add some euphoria.
Just see how you feel after you start tripping. Thats what I always do.
Edited by handbanana666 (08/31/16 02:11 PM)
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