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Re: War and Politics [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#23641169 - 09/13/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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this whole thread
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Re: War and Politics [Re: demiu5] 2
#23641377 - 09/13/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I missed it earlier so
"We can't sit around while Russia shells Lithuania"
The world sat around while USA shelled Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Serbia, Vietnam, and finally Korea
1) 25% of Lithuanians are Russian speakers and citizens. 2) Russia wouldn't have to shell shit, Lithuania is like the size of Maryland maybe... 3) it is overwhelmingly clear the Americans are the aggressors in Europe and the world. If not why did they not disband but rather expand NATO (who's stated mission was to oppose the soviet bloc) into former soviet states. 4)NATO listed Russia not Isis as the biggest threat to global security (maybe this has something to do with america sponsoring Isis and "Islamic extremism" around the globe) it's just their new contras. Remember when the tried to act like Chechnya should en independent, then Chechens bombed Boston?)
USA can't even win conventional wars, and always represent the most oppressive regimes on thebplanet. It would be the end of the world no doubt but Russia can hold its own and some against us. The last foreign conquest of Russia was made by genghis khan.
This isn't saying Russia isn't a bully but god damn America is the biggest and most ineffective bully on the planet. I love it when they get a taste of their own medicine. US foreign policy is a joke and downright deplorable.
Clinton (bubba) named a Rwandan rebel leader to a humanitarian prize, after ignoring a genocide that resulted in 2 million dead. Our great ally Saudi Arabia was named chief of the human rights comittee in the UN. This is a country that executes (publicly of course) apostates, homosexuals, blasphemers, and dissidents. Oh and they are using banned (American and British made) cluster bombs on civilian areas in Yemen, right now.
When you hear people say America is the largest exporter of conflict and terrorism, they aren't exactly wrong
LOLZ
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Re: War and Politics [Re: elax420] 1
#23641544 - 09/13/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Russia didnt take Crimea, they were renting it and had there military base there forever! When the US EU coup happened, Russia was in the process of washing 11 billion of the Ukraine Debt by a new lease agreement for 10yrs. Sadly a big part of the coup was to take posession of the Black sea base (Crimea)forcing Russia to leave Ukraine.. Putin not being the pushover that the US hoped he was, offered Crimeans a chance to join Russia by voting on the land they live/work/own, they were smart enough to vote to join Russia! As for the rebel held areas, russia has no interest in them, they are only involved to protect the families of Russian citizens who live there! Ukraine(West) figured they coud get out of there 33 billion debt with Russia by aligning with EU/US and Nato, basically cuting a deal with the devil forever(aligning with LUCIFER) to avoid a short term debt to a country that has supported them forever! The deal with the EU/US would have cost Ukraine 180 Billion for 17 Billion now!!! Russia not being stupid offered a better deal, 10 yr lease on base and a increase in your fuel costs to REPAY the balance since the fuel Ukraine was getting from Russia was not getting paid for! The Former elected president of Ukraine realised the deal w/ Russia was better than what EU/US offered and agreed, so the EU/US panicked due to money invested trying to woo Ukraine in, so they caused a fake civil war (coup) something they have done in the middle east/Libya and elsewhere when they dont get there way! This was all done because Russia blocked the US attempt to invade Syria and also granted Snowden Asylum. They the US/EU were attempting to isolate Russia and stop fuel sales to Ukraine/EU and it backfired, Ukraine is a 3rd world country w/o Russia business and the US/EU ran like Usain Bolt when they realised there was no profits coming there way!!! If you think Im wrong, do the real research and you will see differently!
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Re: War and Politics [Re: elax420]
#23641581 - 09/13/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sadly NATO and NSA are tools of CIA who do not answer to the whitehouse, they answer to the shadow GOV that runs the US, you know the names, they are involved with every president since Reagan was elected, they are not elected they are civilian yet regardless of party in W.H. they are involved, They are the money that owns GLOBAL CORPORATIONS that dictate policy, the head of it is Cheney Bush former VP from Haliburton he was elected and 9/11 happended and if you watch him in his office, video live feed, he is watching the planes hit towers and he is GRINNING is scary this sick F-CK was in power! The Elected officials are the face on the package, they have no power! Its like getting a bad burger at McDonalds and blaming Ronald McDonald for it! You do not decide who is the president, the shadow Gov does, Like walking in a shoe store and seeing a hundred sneakers to choose from, your wife picks 2 or 3 sneakers and asks which do you want? Did you choose, because she gave you the options she was ok with... SHE CHOSE YOUR SHOES! Our elections are run the same way!
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Dude they took Crimea. This is unquestionable
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Re: War and Politics [Re: elax420]
#23642021 - 09/13/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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That depends on what you mean by "took".
If you mean they accepted the Crimean people's referendum to rejoin Russia, then I guess you're correct.
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Re: War and Politics [Re: elax420]
#23642035 - 09/13/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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if the entire state of texas voted and 97% said they choose to be part of Mexico AGAIN would Mexico be wrong for honoring there elected decision? The US took Texas and an election by the people would /should decide there decisions! Crimea is no different accept the fact that Crimea was a part of Russia for a very long time, and it was granted when the Russians who wanted out (after stealing everything when Soviet union collapsed) chose to create Ukraine( to avoid paying for there theft), they were given that land, yet leased it to Russia until the US/EU wanted to isolate Russia by evicting them from the base, which meant Nato would occupy that base as they do in 170 countries throughout the world! which would have been a direct threat to Russian sovereinty. If Russia cut a deal in Mexico to build a military base bordering Texas, what would the US do? Oh we know that answer because the deal Russia made to weopenize Cuba freaked the US out... Accept Crimea/Ukraine are nowhere near US and US has no business being involved with Ukraine policy so why get involved unless you have criminal intentions? They were attempting to cut Russia out from the EU trade deals/oil and put a threat on Russian borders, not even taking into account that the GMO takeover that would have occured would have poisoned all Russian land for organic farming and the seas would have been stripped of all resources/poisoned aside from the military threat. Im not touching the subject of GMO foods from there exported to Russia or the fact that Russias oil by contract goes through Ukraine, would have been stopped, all this is a direct threat to Russian national security, so I ask how can you blame them for offering Ukrainians a way to save themselves? Russia had no issues with Ukraine paying on there debt and joining EU as long as Nato was out and the GMO farming was out, but US/EU deal was contingent on Crimea/ GMOs so who was wrong here? The US went one step further by trying to convince Greece to sign a deal to run a pipeline from Qatar through syria to turkey into Greece for the EU, to bypass the Russian deal which was being screwed through Ukraine to EU and the Southstream pipeline that was supposed to bypass Ukraine was halted because US sanctions. The US was prepared 4 years ago to split up syria into sections so Qatar could run its pipeline through Syria, this is clearly the main US objective, fuck Ukraine and Syria for financial gain and isolate Russia at the same time, well how did that work out so far? Russia is the demon because they won't let the US Fu_k them anymore without foreplay first! The US even forced Turkey to take out a Russian jet, why, to ruin a deal that would enable Russian fuel through Turkey into EU... When the Soviet Union disolved, the US pushed the replacement into office BORIS YELTSIN a drunk who would sell his mother for a shot! The US bled Russia through sleazy deals and watched the people who ran Gov owned companies take everything as S.U. fell,then allowed these thieves to get US citizenship and remember to bring the stolen loot to the US, granting them asylum...In the process bankrupting Russia and turning there people to poverty, Russia never forgot that, and to watch the US flip out because a US citizen took asylum in Russia for helping the people of the US(Snowden), Russia is the bad guy!!! Maybe it was Russia stopping the US invasion of Syria by vetoing the Chemical weopens BS.... hypocracy at its worst!!!
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Maybe we can keep the commies and the Mexicans out with that wall ^^
The western parts of Ukraine suffered mightily at the hands of the USSR, and the western part of the country is nearly as strongly anti-Russia as the East is pro-Russia. I refuse to believe the argument that the Maidan revolution was entirely a Western/NATO plot but Russia was within its right to foster the violent crackdown then session of E. Ukraine. Ukraine shouldn't be Russia or United States "turf." They deserve to figure their shit out without foreign shenanigans.
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Re: War and Politics [Re: Crumist]
#23642139 - 09/13/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Crumist said: The western parts of Ukraine suffered mightily at the hands of the USSR
And they're suffering even more since they broke ties with Russia. 
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Crumist said: Ukraine shouldn't be Russia or United States "turf." They deserve to figure their shit out without foreign shenanigans.
I think we'll both agree with that. Crimea figured out what it wanted to do...
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Falcon eastern Ukraine suffered heavily at the hands of western Ukraine.
This is the problem with American foreign policy. We always think we can swoop in to save the day without knowing anything about the countries we "liberate"
accepting a disputed "referendum" that broke several treaties they had in place to respect the terroritorial integrity of Ukraine.
Why hasn't Russia accepted transdnistria, Abkhazia, or South Ossetia?
All have had similar "refferendums"
Periklous: have you ever been to Russia or Ukraine?
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Sorry, but you can't compare the contemporary Ukrainian situation with ethnic cleansing and genocide carried out by the USSR. 1932 was the collectivization famines, but Ukraine got shit on during its entire membership in the USSR. During the revolutionary period, during WW2, during the 2, 5, and 10 year plans. Many millions of deaths caused by malice rather than oversight our weather.
@Elax, do you have east and west switched?
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Re: War and Politics [Re: elax420]
#23642267 - 09/13/16 05:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I promise you America would go to war over their lost land and be seriously aggrieved even if the vote was 97% (which is obviously a fraudulent result)
I really think you guys don't understand the level of corruption in Eastern Europe. Its pretty normal to just dissappear in this part of the world for expressing unpopular opinions.
Maidan was Ukraine's young rising up and saying fuck oligarchy, and if you can't respect that and would rather the continuation of endless oligarchy and corruption I don't even know what to say to you.
At the same time I totally understand why Russia feels threatens by the United states
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Re: War and Politics [Re: Crumist]
#23642282 - 09/13/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crumist said: Sorry, but you can't compare the contemporary Ukrainian situation with ethnic cleansing and genocide carried out by the USSR. 1932 was the collectivization famines, but Ukraine got shit on during its entire membership in the USSR. During the revolutionary period, during WW2, during the 2, 5, and 10 year plans. Many millions of deaths caused by malice rather than oversight our weather.
@Elax, do you have east and west switched?
Western Ukraine is full of neo Nazis (that participated in the holocaust back in W2 since you like bringing up shit that happened nearly 100 years ago and part of Poland for much of history and still has very strong links with the poles) and eastern Ukraine is full of Russian criminals.
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Re: War and Politics [Re: demiu5] 1
#23642289 - 09/13/16 05:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lets not overlook the FACT that all oil producing countries get 40-60% upfront on all contracts and the balance paid over the term of contract so if you buy a million in oil/fuel you pay 400-600K upfront then as its delivered you pay on the balance. This is policy worldwide, yet Russia GAVE there oil to Ukraine on 100% credit, nothing down, partly due to the pipeline that fed EU and partly due to the relations between the nations, Ukraine is indebted to Russia to the tune of 33 BILLION when the WAR started... The oil that was cut off due to non payment by Ukraine was being stolen for months from european exports through the pipelines for Ukraine to avoid being fueless... When Russia exposed this the EU said we will cover the losses, because they were in the process of adding the Ukraine to there little gang! Why should Russia incur the losses when Ukraine barrowed with nothing down? Russia offered 11 billion in debt cut for the base in Crimea for 10 yr lease and asked that a small increase in oil prices to pay down the balance owed (interest free) but the EU/US intervened and told Ukraine to reject it! WHAT ABOUT THE 33 BILLION DEBT, Are they supposed to cut there losses because US asked them to? If the US/EU want Ukraine, they should 1st pay off there debts (33 Billion) Russia alone! Same as you buying a business, you buy there debt as well! The US doesnt want the negatives, just the positives...
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Re: War and Politics [Re: Crumist] 1
#23642303 - 09/13/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your seriously going to use what the soviet union did when Russia is now free of that regime, That would be like holding the US gov now accountable for what columbus did to native american tribes!
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Re: War and Politics [Re: elax420]
#23642331 - 09/13/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The young didnt rise up, they were lured in via internet by US/EU recruiters to stand up against the GOV, and heres money and weopons if need be, start a war and we can fix it all... They were sold the same dream Muslims in the middle east were sold to shred Syria, Libya, afghanistan and Iraq... You need to start reading more than your MSM to get a better perspective, dont believe everthing your told or you will be one who thinks Kennedy assasination was accurate, 9/11 is all accurate and MLK/moon landing were accurate... read the real media that has no reason to be biased and you will learn that you are being sold a bunch of BS to take away the few freedoms (constitution/bill of rights)the country was founded on. They are disappearing daily to invade your privacy for profit, why would they do that here in US only? They are attacking freedoms for profits throughout the world!
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Re: War and Politics [Re: elax420]
#23642364 - 09/13/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I expect other countries in the east to be corrupt and fu_k there people, no privacy/freedom, any freedom they get they get due to US citizen motivating it. However the US is supposed to be the beacon of democracy, they are held to a different standard not because of what once was, but because they have preached this to the world and when a country refused to listen, they intervened, they said this is the way to live and treat your citizens, so they are EXPECTED TO DO THE RIGHT THING! the east "not so much" but now looking at the systems in place I would say the east has more freedom and is more accepting of democracy than the US
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Peri:
So we've established you don't speak Russian, you haven't been to either country,
So... Do you even know a Ukrainian?
You are sounding like a great Kremlin puppet right now! The 100 posts don't help your case.
Btw formatting helps readibility a lot. Use paragraphs.
Also I'm pretty much playing devils advocate for both sides. I love Russia and Russians, but Ukrainian women are top notch and I hope to go to Kyiv soon. Russian government is fucked, it's an autocracy with very little freedom of speech and I think this point is lost on you, assuming you are a real person and not just a propagandist.
Remember: The truth always lies in the middle.
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Re: War and Politics [Re: elax420]
#23642373 - 09/13/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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What's your opinion about cold drinks my friend? Personally I love martinis with shaved ice
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Re: War and Politics [Re: elax420]
#23642409 - 09/13/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am of Russian decent on both sides and do have several Russian friends as well as Ukrainian friends. I have an issue with the MSM feeding the story they want told, I have spent many hours reading learning and the conclusion is logical, as bad as Russia has been through the years, they were screwed through the 90s and the changes they have made from the new mellinium till now is remarkable. Not perfect but there policy is based on old school American values and those values need to be practiced by US politicians today! The US wiil be the SOviet Union in a very short amount of time if changes are not made. I do not mean owned by Gov I mean the GOV will and is owned by the corporations dictating policy and these companies have well established roots in europe canada Aus NZ Israel and Japan so wake up or be eliminated by the powers that be!
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