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 DeadPhan
 
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 Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? 
#23571294 - 08/23/16 11:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I did bucket for a while with no issues, but then I ran into contams. It could have likely been possibly due to the fact my verm and coir were being stored in a dirty old garage. But I don't know. After a stretch of like 10 tubs or so that we're fine with bucket I got trich in 2, so after that I started to pasteurize. It's been a few years since I've done tubs and have propane heat now so it's fairly expensive to have to pasteurize, on top of Pc'ing grain, so I'm gonna go back to bucket tek I'm thinking. Just curious what status quo is. Or just personal preferences. Bucket tek is just so wonderfully quick and easy. I think between my work space being cleaner I should get away fairly unscathed. Just wondering some others .02.
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: DeadPhan]
#23571305 - 08/23/16 11:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I use hpoo so I pasteurize but on my thread people were saying bucket tek and or straight pcing is great with no issues I am doing my first cvg tub tomorrow and didn't want trich haha
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: Boogieman47]
#23571308 - 08/23/16 11:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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you can use bucket tek and pasturize your hpoo separately.
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#23571325 - 08/23/16 11:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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No I know I meant for the cvg I forgot to put that in for the PC and bucket sorry
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: Boogieman47]
#23571363 - 08/24/16 12:12 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I know you gotta pasteurize hpoo. Are you saying you can pc coir? If so, how long for? I heard sterilizing coir can make more susceptible to contams. I am only interested in hearing about coir however,k as I've yet to get into hpoo for anything but outdoor beds. One of these days, but so far I'm happy with coir verm n gypsum. Just curious what people do for cvg. I'll poly do maybe a couple tubs bucket tek and a couple pasteurize, but still curious on some others input and experience.
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: DeadPhan]
#23571368 - 08/24/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sorry. Just reread your last thread. So yea, I pasteurized in my pc in the past but didn't straight pc it ever. I gather that wouldn't be as much of a hassle as pasteurization.
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: DeadPhan]
#23571387 - 08/24/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said:
I have grown lots with sterilized coir. It won't hurt a thing. The myc prefers it IME.
I have been sterilizing for a while and definitely prefer it. Although bucket tek works fine as long as your spawn is clean(usually if I get trich it's due to bacterial spawn) the more you cook it the easier it is for the myc to digest it.
It definitely does not need pasteurizing as there are no beneficial microbes to save and it is resistant to contam and mold spore germination.
also so your not taking up room in the pc you can bucket tek in turkey bags and then place the bags in the oven and bake to get the full cooking process as Inocuole does in this tek bucket oven tek
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Edited by tombosley8 (08/24/16 12:26 AM)
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: tombosley8]
#23571420 - 08/24/16 12:35 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I pasterize everything besides grains now. I had the worst luck with contams even without spawn. Thing about coir is its contam prove most of the time. But not all. The argument has been made that there aren't any benefits microbial life on it. That was never a proper argument when it comes to why Pasteur vs sterile. Neither straw or coir have such a life forum on it. Shit does. Anything can be taken over by life if it has a high sugars load
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: tump]
#23571437 - 08/24/16 12:43 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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tump said:
I pasterize everything besides grains now. I had the worst luck with contams even without spawn. Thing about coir is its contam prove most of the time. But not all. The argument has been made that there aren't any benefits microbial life on it. That was never a proper argument when it comes to why Pasteur vs sterile. Neither straw or coir have such a life forum on it. Shit does. Anything can be taken over by life if it has a high sugars load
I fully advocate sterilizing coir. If your coir isn't clean it won't matter whether it's pasteurized or sterilized anyway. Like if there were a grain in it, you don't pasteurize grains, therefore failure. Straw does require pasteurization, not sure why you're lumping it in with coir.
A lot of your posts have been shit lately. 
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: tump]
#23571456 - 08/24/16 12:52 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just really think it's based on your spawn and as inocuole said the quality of coir. if you are getting it without spawn then it is simply the quality of your coir. I have heard eco earth is often full of random debri which could cause contam.
coir, verm and gypsum alone are not going to mold in the time that clean spawn takes to colonise it.
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Edited by tombosley8 (08/24/16 12:57 AM)
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: tombosley8]
#23571467 - 08/24/16 12:55 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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i sterilize my coir everytime withourt issue...i do around 45 minutes
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: cronicr]
#23571666 - 08/24/16 03:05 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ya and alot of straw has mites and other shit ... but cronicr knows I was told the same 45 minutes to an hour... like I said tonight was my first time doing straight coir .... https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23542736/fpart/1/vc/1 check this out this dude is doing an experiment on different ways of cooking coir and what grows on it after
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: tombosley8]
#23571672 - 08/24/16 03:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have heard eco earth is often full of random debri which could cause contam.
Is that true? I use that and heard it was good never saw anything weird in it but I don't know what you mean by debris ? Like serious foreign objects or other types of compost ?
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: Boogieman47]
#23571711 - 08/24/16 03:33 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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noob47 said:
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I have heard eco earth is often full of random debri which could cause contam.
Is that true? I use that and heard it was good never saw anything weird in it but I don't know what you mean by debris ? Like serious foreign objects or other types of compost ?
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: Boogieman47]
#23571720 - 08/24/16 03:40 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ive use the eco earth. Ive found beans, beetles, cat hair, a condom, cardboard, paper, a lizard very much decayed,broken glass, broken DVD parts. Cheap is almost never pure i think i have 112 out 300 bricks form that order.
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: tump]
#23571725 - 08/24/16 03:46 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Damn so that must be why my two tubs of pe got trich during pinning I had fat pinsets and after the bigger ones were about ready to pick the trich showed fuck I just bought three more packs goddammit so should I just do the hpoo and straw and sterilize my coir then ?
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: Boogieman47]
#23571742 - 08/24/16 03:54 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do what you feel is right. Cook coir for me still work even with the crap in it. Hell my tub i threw out this morning had four flushes before trich took over. That tub had so much glass and broken dvd pieces in it.
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: tump]
#23571760 - 08/24/16 04:03 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well I use it with hpoo so it's never sterilized but who knows I'll just have to PC the shit ... what is some good coir then ?
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: Boogieman47]
#23571902 - 08/24/16 05:33 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I pasteurize because I dont own a bucket and it seems more secure but Im sure either way as long as you follow directions will be awesome !!
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: JesusDaMartian]
#23571906 - 08/24/16 05:36 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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even if u don't use bucket TEK, 5 gallon buckets are the shit.
grain soaking
breaking up poo
straw chopping
harvesting
end tables
stools
theres no wrong way to use a bucket
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: cronicr]
#23572314 - 08/24/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
I fully advocate sterilizing coir. If your coir isn't clean it won't matter whether it's pasteurized or sterilized anyway.
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cronicr said:
i sterilize my coir everytime withourt issue...i do around 45 minutes
When you guys say you sterilize your coir I'm assuming you mean you sterilize the entire cvg substrate? Any tips to doing it in a pc? Seems messy.
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#23572750 - 08/24/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I do it in the oven in a bag.
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#23572950 - 08/24/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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PsilocyBen17 said:
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Inocuole said:
I fully advocate sterilizing coir. If your coir isn't clean it won't matter whether it's pasteurized or sterilized anyway.
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cronicr said:
i sterilize my coir everytime withourt issue...i do around 45 minutes
When you guys say you sterilize your coir I'm assuming you mean you sterilize the entire cvg substrate? Any tips to doing it in a pc? Seems messy.
I do it in the PC, though there are easier methods, it's just my routine.
I hydrate my sub and load it into large spawn bags, seal them and put them in my PC, I can do 2 in my AA921 and 3 in my 941, I put some ring spacers between the bags and either pasteurize on medium heat or lock the lid on and fire it up and bring it to pressure for 30-60 minutes. The only difference is the pasteurized sub has more bacteria left in it, which is expected but it is impossible to tell if it is beneficial, I'm leaning towards believing it is, but I can't say.
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
#23573267 - 08/24/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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But do you sterilize the whole mix? The coir, verm, and gypsum all together? Or just the coir and then mix with the Verm and gypsum?
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: DeadPhan]
#23573272 - 08/24/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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all of it
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: cronicr]
#23573630 - 08/24/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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After hydrating and mixing I would gather? Also, if using mason jars do I just use the same altered lids as I would with my grains? Or unaltered lids?
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Re: Pasteurize vs bucket tek for coir? What do you do? [Re: DeadPhan]
#23574186 - 08/24/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Unaltered lids are fine, RR did it just covering in tin foil and the rings over that, but I really don't know why, I guess just to stick a temp probe into one.
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