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Invisibleblacksabbathrulz
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Peyote Legality
    #2357082 - 02/20/04 12:51 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Okay, as far as I can tell lophophora diffusa is legal in the united states. Does anyone know if this is correct? Also i was wondering if any other species were legal in the US such as Fricii or the many others, or if they are considered to be part of the williamsii family and are illegal as well. If anyone could clarify this for me I would appreciate it, also does anyone know anywhere to purchase diffusa plants online assuming they are legal?? Thanks in advance.


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Re: some questions about peyote [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #2357250 - 02/20/04 01:43 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

i don't think they are legal.

ebay has lophophora's on it all the time.


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Re: some questions about peyote [Re: eric_the_red]
    #2358387 - 02/20/04 09:52 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

yeah I looked on ebay, but dont really want to purchase from ebay, unless the diffusa are in fact legal. I think they are considering that they don't produce mescaline, but Im not sure.


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Re: Peyote Legality [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #2358493 - 02/20/04 10:30 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Here is what the CFR says, so does anyone know if there are any lophophora species that would not be contained in this definition??

Meaning all parts of the plant presently classified botanically as Lophophora williamsii Lemaire, whether growing or not, the seeds thereof, any extract from any part of such plant, and every compound, manufacture, salts, derivative, mixture, or preparation of such plant, its seeds or extracts (Interprets 21 USC 812(c), Schedule I(c) (12))


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Re: Peyote Legality [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #2358546 - 02/20/04 10:43 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Lophophora Diffusa is not Lophophora Williamsi so hence it's exempt.


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Re: Peyote Legality [Re: neuro]
    #2359010 - 02/20/04 01:06 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

I've seen strains called things like fricii, and some others, are these a sub-strain of williamsii, or are they also exempt?


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Re: Peyote Legality [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #2359059 - 02/20/04 01:20 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

strains of the species Lophophora wlliamsi are also illegal. Strains of a different species like Lophophora difussa are not illegal.


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Re: Peyote Legality [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #2359120 - 02/20/04 01:34 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Diffusa is perfectly legal. If your going to order williamsii from overseas have them label it as such. :wink: Good luck.


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Re: Peyote Legality [Re: neuro]
    #2360422 - 02/20/04 07:13 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Do you know where I can get a list of strains that are diffusa, and perhaps a list of what strains are williamsii, or does anyone happen to know off of the top of their heads. Any info would be greatly appreciated.


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Re: Peyote Legality [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #2360867 - 02/20/04 09:12 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Ughh you're confusing the hell out of me.

Species are a specific kind of plant that belongs to a genus. There may be some variablility between the members of the species. To those members we designate strains. Sorta like we designte Race in humans. We're all Homo sapiens.

All difussa species are legal. All williamsi species are not.

So if all difussa species are legal all the different strains of L. difussa are legal. get it?


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Re: Peyote Legality [Re: neuro]
    #2368824 - 02/22/04 07:30 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

i'm pretty sure he is asking for a list of variations, within the separate species of wiliamsii and diffusa.


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Re: Peyote Legality [Re: eric_the_red]
    #2369307 - 02/22/04 09:15 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

exactly


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Re: Peyote Legality [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #2369406 - 02/22/04 09:38 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

A strain name is not species specific you can have L. difussa fricii and you can have a L. williamsi fricii.

So therefore you can't say a varient called fricii is a williamsi or a diffussa.

NOTE: fricii may only be a variant with williamsi only, but the example holds true, there are many different species with variants that contain the same name.

Your original question is peyote legality

If it's a L. williamsi then it's illegal and so are all it's variants.

If it's a L. difussa it's legal and so are all it's variants.



The reason i wasn't understanding you at first was i thought you were mixed up in using your language a well as the topic of the thread still dealt with legality so i was trying to surmise what you thinking.


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Re: Peyote Legality [Re: neuro]
    #2369449 - 02/22/04 09:47 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

Anyways, variant names are given to describe mostly the morphology of an individual of a species

L. Williamsi var:
Cresaeta (means it's crested)
Fricii
Williamsii
caepisota
decipiens
diffusa
lewinii

then there's various Cultivar's which i think one is called pentagona or something. Cultivar being Cultivated variety which is different than a variety in nomenclature.

that's all i can really think of now for known L. Williamsi variants. I'm sure many of the same variants are in existance for L. Diffusa (like crestaeta) but i can't think of any that i know for sure.

Hope that helps...
That question would have really been a better separate thread incase anyone actually ever uses the search function they don't have to plow through all the other junk before this. Ahh well

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Re: Peyote Legality [Re: neuro]
    #2369470 - 02/22/04 09:52 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

great info, thanks for clarifying that.


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Re: Peyote Legality [Re: neuro]
    #2387519 - 02/28/04 10:58 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

damn look at nuero go. its a sad day, my scrested, and variegted loph have passed on. a sad day indeed:(


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