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On being "needy"
#23570575 - 08/23/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Soooo....
going through a shitty divorce...
and it's waaay too soon for me to even consider jumping into a serious relationship...
but it's what I feel like I instinctively desire to do.
I'm having to try to reason myself out of my urges...and be content with being alone with myself for awhile.
But then again....we're on this rock for a short time...if I'm more inclined to want a partner...why not dive right in...instead of suppress that...and "waste" time being single.
I don't know...I just feel like my base being...is one within a partnership....I don't feel like a complete being without a partner...and I don't like that I feel that way.
Edited by TameMe (08/23/16 08:55 PM)
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Re: On being "needy" [Re: TameMe]
#23570646 - 08/23/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't see much of a quandary here. It is, I would say, unusual for someone exiting a serious relationship (and in such a shitty way) to want to enter another one immediately, but I think that's all it is -- unusual. If your heart and your gut say you'd like a new relationship right off the bat, I see no reason why you should deny it to yourself.
I wouldn't force myself to be alone if that's not I wanted. Don't worry about what other people think or might do.
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what about the whole...i don't feel complete without another?
something tells me that isn't a healthy way of being.
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Re: On being "needy" [Re: TameMe]
#23570784 - 08/23/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, I think some people are just that way. I've known several. Outside of relationships they weren't themselves, and were prone to severe loneliness.
I think you're fine, man.
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Re: On being "needy" [Re: TameMe]
#23571054 - 08/23/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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TameMe said: what about the whole...i don't feel complete without another?
something tells me that isn't a healthy way of being.
I'm going thru a divorce. I feel your pain.
I have two thoughts. The first isn't congruent with many of my other posts, but WTF, so what.
First, this word "needy" is always used in a bad light. To feel "needy" is embarrassing and lame and weak and nobody wants to feel "needy". What the hell. We are human beings. We are social creatures. We need people. To be needy is to be human. If I wasn't needy, I'd be a rock.
And, I like the idea that, instead of looking for someone to complete us (our "better half") we should find someone that makes us feel whole. I just heard this and I love it.
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Re: On being "needy" [Re: TameMe]
#23571860 - 08/24/16 05:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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this sounds like more perspective is needed
so much of life seems to be after "decisions" that were never really decided, they just happened, like a lottery, traffic, chemistry, or weather.
you are lucky to have a little pause, a chance to find your own rhythm.
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Re: On being "needy" [Re: TameMe] 4
#23572630 - 08/24/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I resent the idea that we need anyone to make us feel 'whole'. I feel like it's culturally programmed BS. Sure, it's great being with a partner. I have been in and out of relationships since I was 15 (32 now) with my first long term at 18. After that ended 4 years later, I never gave up the search to find someone to be with.
Interestingly, it was only when I was NOT looking (was already with someone I'd gone looking for) at 27, that I met the woman who irrevocably changed my life in ways I could never have even dreamed of (I found both god and unconditional love through her) and I thought I would be with her for the rest of my days after the first night we spent together. At present, she's been in rehab for 13 months and has cut all contact with me. I've had to emotionally detach from her and accept that I could never take her back in order to allow myself to heal - it was the only thing I could do to stop the incredibly self destructive and overwhelming pain I've been in for the last 12 months.
I went a bit nuts after all the shit she caused before she left (violence, suicide attempts, and an infidelity, to name but a few) and jumped back in to dating women, even going all out polyamorous for a time. It wasn't actually intentional, I intended to wait for her, but an accidental fuck when very drunk lead to the floodgates opening. It was a part of my healing, and great having multiple sexually experienced and some very compatible partners, but it was OH SO hollow. I cut it all out a couple of months and several women later.
I since committed myself to celibacy for a period of 6 months, which just finished, but it is a path I fully intend on remaining on. I will never go looking for love/sex/a partner again. I know in my heart of hearts it will only be a distraction.
What I really need to find, above all else, it total peace, love, and happiness with MYSELF.
It's a fucking lonely path at times, I'll tell you that, but it is the most rewarding path I have walked since becoming 'relationship obsessed' at 18. I am happier in my own company than ever before. I laugh and just enjoy 'me' so much. I've discussed this path with a few people I consider extremely spiritually enlightened, and they have all said the same thing; 'walk this path, learn complete happiness and wholeness within yourself, and the person who will bring you everything you desire in another WILL find you'.
My lower, pleasure obsessed self kicks back against this message. HARD. I'm a massive hedonist, I LOVE being with women, and I'm a very sexual creature, and I know I could be out there fulfilling my desires with absolute ease (Tinder, anyone?). But my higher self knows the words above, that those I most respect have shared with me, to be true. I must be strong, I must be brave, and above all, I must be patient and committed to what I know is right.
I know it will bring rewards greater than I could even dream of.
It's a perspective worth consideration, if nothing else. Good luck doing the right thing for you OP.
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Re: On being "needy" [Re: TameMe] 2
#23574656 - 08/25/16 12:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's not a waste of time to be single after a divorce, it's a necessary recuperative time. Casual sex where I live in Miami is potentially hazardous even with condoms. Lots of sleaze and crazy down here. If all you want is a cool glass of water to rinse down the bad taste, you might be hurting a normal woman who is ready for a real relationship (because clearly you are not). You also need to discover who you are NOW, not who you think or remember yourself to be from before your marriage. You're not that guy anymore, and what's more, you need to lose the baggage before you attempt to connect with someone new, and believe me, you've got baggage. If you do not know how to enjoy solitude, your own company, then you are like an atom missing an electron or two, and your next covalent bond will only be a temporary stability. What you really need is nuclear chemistry - fusion of nuclei, but if you content yourself with mere electron-bonding, you will experience temporary and superficial relationships that will prevent a deeper more profound love relationship IMO. It's important to connect loin with loin, and head with head, but if you don't connect with values, heart with heart, it won't result in fusion and all you'll have is fission and splitting all over again. - MtG, 24 years post-divorce, and 20 years into a NEW relationship.
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Yes if you want to scare away a woman come across as needy and smothering and she will bolt like Bolt.
Yesterday a crack/meth ho wandered onto my property practically demanding I drop everything and give her a ride 8 miles into town. Or at least how about a beer? I gave her the beer. It was odd the way some sketchy dude was barely ahead of her I suspected if I had left he would have been back. Oh first she wants to use my phone. Kind of amazing, tweekin hard that extra 8 miles would be nothing!
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I resent the idea that we need anyone to make us feel 'whole'.
Might seem inconsistent with my previous comments, but I agree. We don't need anyone to feel whole.
Maybe it's a byproduct of the concept of marriage, where 2 become 1?
(The "better half" concept is insane. How does a couple decide who's the "better half"? Is it always the woman?)
And I've noticed in my life when I'm very needy, women don't want to talk to me, but when I'm the opposite of needy (feeling "whole", while alone) they're lined up to see me.
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You can't tell the difference between a crack ho and a meth ho?
Snap a photo of her next time and I'll tell you. I know about these things...
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RJ Tubs 202 said: (The "better half" concept is insane. How does a couple decide who's the "better half"? Is it always the woman?)
It always is isn't it? It amazes me me how many men I meet seem in complete control of their lives, but see them with their women and they submit their testicles without a second thought just to 'keep her happy'. It's a pet peeve between my best friend and I and we often have a rant and a joke about it when we've been up all night and the laughter is flowing.
Damned if I'm ever gonna end up like that.
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RJ Tubs 202 said: (The "better half" concept is insane. How does a couple decide who's the "better half"? Is it always the woman?)
It always is isn't it? It amazes me me how many men I meet seem in complete control of their lives, but see them with their women and they submit their testicles without a second thought just to 'keep her happy'. It's a pet peeve between my best friend and I and we often have a rant and a joke about it when we've been up all night and the laughter is flowing.
Damned if I'm ever gonna end up like that.
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Re: On being "needy" [Re: TameMe]
#23579070 - 08/26/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Don't fall in love with the rebound. If you were with one person for an extended period of time then why not give yourself a few choices rather than just settling for the next person that comes along. It's too easy to fall for the same type of person that you just got away from..unless you had someone in mind to be next all along? It's never a "waste" to spend time on yourself
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Or to spend time banging a few rando's
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Markos knocking it out of the park w/ that seasoned knowledge

OP, Marko's post is just about the best advice on this topic IMO. It's a harder road but far more rewarding. I also echo it from my experience through relationships I loved deeply in but for which we just headed down different paths.
I've done the rebounds and all sorts of other things. Best thing out of all the cases was taking some time to gather myself, learn how to value and love myself, and be whole all by myself.
From there, you end up on far better footing to meet someone who you can construct a further along 'home' with. The key is to remember that you need to be at home w/ yourself.
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RJ Tubs 202 said: (The "better half" concept is insane. How does a couple decide who's the "better half"? Is it always the woman?)
It always is isn't it? It amazes me me how many men I meet seem in complete control of their lives, but see them with their women and they submit their testicles without a second thought just to 'keep her happy'. It's a pet peeve between my best friend and I and we often have a rant and a joke about it when we've been up all night and the laughter is flowing.
Damned if I'm ever gonna end up like that.
Be careful on how you interpret this.... Some women actually provide a man with a refuge in which there is no need for them to be a brave and assertive brut because the woman respects them and values them whole-fully. In return, he gives her his love. Thus, she will never actively take advantage of him when he puts his armor down as she respects and acknowledges that he does for her out of love. In such an instance, from the outside, you see a man without armor. Yes, there is no need for him to have his armor on in this case. This is a healthy relationship between man and woman. They have made a 'home' together where they both can put their guards down.
There are instances in which a man allows a woman to put his testicles in a vice. This may be due to him acknowledging what will happen if he doesn't and the law thus cuts him down as it is designed.
There are instances in which a man has not yet received the respect from the woman he loves and thus works very hard for her to maybe finally 'see' and respect him.
There are instances in which the woman is just a @$*^! and doesn't know how to respect a man. There may be a man in this case that doesn't know any better and thus shacks up with her thinking she will change or thinking this is the way it should be.
It's hard for you to judge from the outside ....
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Re: On being "needy" [Re: iiilil]
#23580973 - 08/26/16 05:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nah I think Jsb is right -- some guys are just pussy-whipped in the most pathetic way.
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DividedQuantum said: Nah I think Jsb is right -- some guys are just pussy-whipped in the most pathetic way.
Only a woman who doesn't respect a man would do this... So, that reflects a case I stated. A man lowers his armor to love a woman. (his manifestation of love) A woman respects a man who does this for her. (her form of love)
As opposed to what society communicates, a man ultimately wants to make a home away from the world. A woman serves as the vessel in which that can be done.
Once a woman 'captures' a man in this way, sure .. she can go on disrespecting him and thus sew the seeds of destruction... However, she is not only destroying him but the home they have together... And yeah, some women are man eaters... If it weren't for their skill in cloaking their nature via the 'mask of the feminine', the men would see them for who they were, suit up in their armor and fight them as they do other men.
However, such a woman doesn't get that ... So, she ignorantly believes him 'weak' and sews the seeds of her destruction along with his.
It is a tragedy. However, when a man puts down his armor and submits to love, he is under the influence of a more feminine context. At that point, the ball is in a woman's court as to how things shape out. The only thing a man can do is recognize whether or not the person is providing him with a home or a destructive prison and take necessary action.
"It is better to live in a desert land Than with a contentious and vexing woman."
This problem becomes more prevalent in a society that teaches women to be more like men and not true to their equally powerful feminine natures. For some time, there will be victories of trickery as men come to adapt to 'see' beyond the cloaks these women use. However, once men 'see', they will suit up in armor as they do against other men, and all will be all for not.
A balance is always struck which is why you seek a harmonious one... Too bad society has been convinced as of late to strike a different balance.
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Re: On being "needy" [Re: iiilil]
#23589935 - 08/29/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the insight guys....
I'm thinking I need to focus on a hobby....keep myself busy and mind off of women....
that and explore the fact that perhaps I have some sort of sex addiction and I validate my worth and feelings of connectedness and love via physicality...
i don't know....
just rather escape all that....stop worrying about women....and get down to business being a single dad to an awesome little boy.
Fucking cunts. (excuse my language)
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Re: On being "needy" [Re: iiilil]
#23591252 - 08/29/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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. . . a man ultimately wants to make a home away from the world. A woman serves as the vessel in which that can be done.
Deep down, a man yearns to return to his mother's womb.
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Re: On being "needy" [Re: TameMe]
#23592297 - 08/30/16 02:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I haven't been married so I can't really say what you should do. I have however been through 2 long term relationships and can say, after the crap I went through, it was refreshing to learn how to be by myself which took quite a lot of time(around 2 years for me. Everyone is different though!).
To not have to worry about hurting someones feelings because I came home at 9 pm instead of 5 pm. To not worry about answering a phone call which was going to lead to an argument...to come home to an argument when I was just so spent at work. I understand the need to have a "partner in crime" because you are used to it. I did it but, I hurt people in the long run because I just wasn't ready to give them 100%. Now that I have taken the time to be alone, I enjoy my current relationship all the much more.
Now, this does not make you needy. It makes you human. You do what YOU FEEL is right. No one can tell you what to do. In the words of Sloan, "If it feels good do it".
All I have left to say on that note is to be open with your new partner about this to at least give them an idea of where you stand(speaking from experience). No one likes to feel like they are "the re-bound" or not "good enough" for you. The person you meet(or people) may fall head over heels and you may realize you just aren't ready for something as solid as you had yet, they are ready to dive in.
Good luck and best wishes
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Re: On being "needy" [Re: iiilil]
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DividedQuantum said: Nah I think Jsb is right -- some guys are just pussy-whipped in the most pathetic way.
Only a woman who doesn't respect a man would do this... So, that reflects a case I stated. A man lowers his armor to love a woman. (his manifestation of love) A woman respects a man who does this for her. (her form of love)
As opposed to what society communicates, a man ultimately wants to make a home away from the world. A woman serves as the vessel in which that can be done.
Once a woman 'captures' a man in this way, sure .. she can go on disrespecting him and thus sew the seeds of destruction... However, she is not only destroying him but the home they have together... And yeah, some women are man eaters... If it weren't for their skill in cloaking their nature via the 'mask of the feminine', the men would see them for who they were, suit up in their armor and fight them as they do other men.
However, such a woman doesn't get that ... So, she ignorantly believes him 'weak' and sews the seeds of her destruction along with his.
It is a tragedy. However, when a man puts down his armor and submits to love, he is under the influence of a more feminine context. At that point, the ball is in a woman's court as to how things shape out. The only thing a man can do is recognize whether or not the person is providing him with a home or a destructive prison and take necessary action.
"It is better to live in a desert land Than with a contentious and vexing woman."
This problem becomes more prevalent in a society that teaches women to be more like men and not true to their equally powerful feminine natures. For some time, there will be victories of trickery as men come to adapt to 'see' beyond the cloaks these women use. However, once men 'see', they will suit up in armor as they do against other men, and all will be all for not.
A balance is always struck which is why you seek a harmonious one... Too bad society has been convinced as of late to strike a different balance.
Interesting times 
I just want to say to this, I'm really sorry you found all "cunts" out of us. I have worked in construction my whole life and could say the same about men but I don't. Just because some of you guys are shitty assholes in relationships, didn't ruin my whole outlook on men. They are my Father, my brother and my best friends that picked up the pieces when my life was broken. They are also the assholes that took everything I owned, broke what they could that was mine and raped me. Stop judging sexes when it's really "people" you have an issue with. If you keep having these issues with "females", look in the mirror and ask yourself why you find yourself in the same predicament time and time again. I'm not trying to start a fight I'm just calling a spade a spade. To egg someone on in such a hateful manner just because of a bunch of bad experiences you had is horrible. I didn't choose to bust my ass off in a male dominate field because I could, I had to to pay my damn bills. Thanks for that.
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Re: On being "needy" [Re: pineninja]
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Agreed pineninja but for some it takes time to learn. I just don't like people thinking ill of themselves in the meantime It's all a learning experience and honestly I couldn't imagine what a divorce would feel like.
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Re: On being "needy" [Re: iiilil]
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I've done the rebounds and all sorts of other things. Best thing out of all the cases was taking some time to gather myself, learn how to value and love myself, and be whole all by myself.
From there, you end up on far better footing to meet someone who you can construct a further along 'home' with. The key is to remember that you need to be at home w/ yourself.
Exactly. Less immediate gratification, more in the way of enduring fulfillment. Thanks for the kudos.
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You do what YOU FEEL is right. No one can tell you what to do. In the words of Sloan, "If it feels good do it".
Amen
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Oneshineylady said: Now, this does not make you needy. It makes you human. You do what YOU FEEL is right. No one can tell you what to do. In the words of Sloan, "If it feels good do it".
Are you sure that was Sloan? Don't you mean Satan?
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Re: On being "needy" [Re: Crumist]
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Sloan or Satan . . . we always blame someone!
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