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The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights
#23569948 - 08/23/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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This video spells out an action and duty by the federal government, but controlled by the states.
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This action can easily get the support of enough Americans to really get something done. It is not politics, it is law.
If y'all are going to do nothing, . . . seeing this gets done, assures that your states can protect your rights easily from federal intrusion.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23570116 - 08/23/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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ChristopherABrown said: seeing this gets done, assures that your states can protect your rights easily from federal intrusion.
So the states can protect me from getting paid a minimum wage? The states can protect me from enjoying national parks which states use instead for mining? The states can protect me from getting a free education?
I'm not buying this "federal intrusion" nonsense.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#23571341 - 08/24/16 12:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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ChristopherABrown said: seeing this gets done, assures that your states can protect your rights easily from federal intrusion.
So the states can protect me from getting paid a minimum wage? The states can protect me from enjoying national parks which states use instead for mining? The states can protect me from getting a free education?
I'm not buying this "federal intrusion" nonsense.
If you are into a free ride and perks from a government gone globalist, you can choose to let them run your world. About the time it becomes too toxic to live in cities without filters for breathing, you will realize you have earned it.
State citizens have the only real power and in some ways, an American citizen does not exist.
http://www.realtruth.biz/freedomstuff/state%20citizen%20or%20us%20citizen.htm
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23574556 - 08/24/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It really seems people here do not know much about how the constitution can provide us with law to defend and enforce it.
The countermand should have been part of the 1787 constitution. It could have been part of the 10th amendment because that is where states powers are enumerated.
Basically it allows 60% of the states to remove a federal law they can show is unconstitutional. What is really good about the concept is the "delegate resolution". Twenty seven states are supporting this and 17 have drawn up applications for Article V with the countermand as the proposed amendment, and they did it because the "delegate resolution" makes so much sense for Article V.
State legislations are the only entity that an propose and ratify amendments. The notion of delegates having a free hand is not lawful. The delegate resolution binds the delegate to the specifics that the state legislature authorizes them to negotiate on its behalf with delegates of other states.
Delegates that violate their resolutions can be recalled. This keeps state legislations in control by state legislations as they should be.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
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ChristopherABrown said: If you are into a free ride and perks from a government gone globalist, you can choose to let them run your world. About the time it becomes too toxic to live in cities without filters for breathing, you will realize you have earned it.
State citizens have the only real power and in some ways, an American citizen does not exist.
http://www.realtruth.biz/freedomstuff/state%20citizen%20or%20us%20citizen.htm
Lol, you can breath in US cities thanks to the EPA and the Clean Air and Water Acts (well, in some ways in spite of the vast inefficiencies of both, but nonetheless that is another argument for another time)
Im all for preserving "the laboratories of democracy" from too much encroachment though. I choose to live in a state with superior educational requirements and labor laws than the federal gov't
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Crumist]
#23596609 - 08/31/16 07:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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ChristopherABrown said: If you are into a free ride and perks from a government gone globalist, you can choose to let them run your world. About the time it becomes too toxic to live in cities without filters for breathing, you will realize you have earned it.
State citizens have the only real power and in some ways, an American citizen does not exist.
http://www.realtruth.biz/freedomstuff/state%20citizen%20or%20us%20citizen.htm
Lol, you can breath in US cities thanks to the EPA and the Clean Air and Water Acts (well, in some ways in spite of the vast inefficiencies of both, but nonetheless that is another argument for another time)
Im all for preserving "the laboratories of democracy" from too much encroachment though. I choose to live in a state with superior educational requirements and labor laws than the federal gov't
Okay. Do you know why the EPA sent a letter to BP asking them to not spray corexit rather than serving an order?
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
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Good luck getting 38 states to ratify that amendment.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23597649 - 08/31/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd be so psyched to see constitutional conventions organized in my lifetime. I'd be in support of this counter-mand, but also another Equal Rights Amendment, and a couple other ideas that escape me at the moment.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
#23598356 - 08/31/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Good luck getting 38 states to ratify that amendment.
Seventeen states have already made applications for Article V with the Countermand AMD. as the issue, and another 11 are processing the proposal through legislation right now. When 2/3 have applied, congress must call a convention, or amend.
This is one congress is not going to amend.
Are you aware of the lawsuits Sibley has filed agains the house speakers for failing to call a convention?
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
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Congress can't amend. If 2/3 ask for a convention, Congress can call a convention or just propose the amendment. It would still require 38 states to ratify.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Crumist]
#23598373 - 08/31/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crumist said: I'd be so psyched to see constitutional conventions organized in my lifetime. I'd be in support of this counter-mand, but also another Equal Rights Amendment, and a couple other ideas that escape me at the moment.
Awesome! All Americans that support the constitution unconditionally should have the same sentiments.
I really like the countermand because it is a method to abolish, but only laws. Good start!
If we are not going to be actively defining our rights per the 9th amendment, this is the next best thing. At least states can prevent the creeping infringements.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
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Which states have already called for the convention?
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: Which states have already called for the convention?
Sorry , you do not have enough credibility to deserve the effort required to answer.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
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ChristopherABrown said: If you are into a free ride and perks from a government gone globalist, you can choose to let them run your world. About the time it becomes too toxic to live in cities without filters for breathing, you will realize you have earned it.
State citizens have the only real power and in some ways, an American citizen does not exist.
http://www.realtruth.biz/freedomstuff/state%20citizen%20or%20us%20citizen.htm
Lol, you can breath in US cities thanks to the EPA and the Clean Air and Water Acts (well, in some ways in spite of the vast inefficiencies of both, but nonetheless that is another argument for another time)
Im all for preserving "the laboratories of democracy" from too much encroachment though. I choose to live in a state with superior educational requirements and labor laws than the federal gov't
Okay. Do you know why the EPA sent a letter to BP asking them to not spray corexit rather than serving an order?
Okay, you don't know.
They wrote a letter asking BP to not spray because under GATT they have no authority over an foreign OR domestic corporation doing business with an American corporation. GATT is treason against the 1787 constitution by usurping US laws in US territory.
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I see...so you just made it up.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
#23602918 - 09/01/16 09:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I see...so you just made it up.
You could look their web site rather than spewing BS.
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#23602991 - 09/01/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I did. I couldn't find it there, so I asked you. Apparently, you couldn't either.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
#23604042 - 09/02/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I did. I couldn't find it there, so I asked you. Apparently, you couldn't either.
Apparently they are wise to those working for treason against the constitution and do not list the states. I was sent an email, and I'm not sharing it with you.
But you were asked about the lawsuit againt the house speaker filed by Sibley, you never responded to that.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
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I know nothing about that.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23604434 - 09/02/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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"I have here in my hand a list of 205 . . . a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department. . . . "
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
#23605193 - 09/02/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I know nothing about that.
In 1911, 2/3 of the states applied for a convention and congress violated the law, their oath and the constitution by failing to convene delegates and that this continues today?
This document has links to the letter and other aspects related.
http://www.foavc.org/reference/file47.pdf
Can you accept that such a fact justifies that all delegates be elected in the states by the people of those states?
Because of that letter, the house finally adopts rule to count states applications for Article V.
http://www.examiner.com/article/u-s-...n-applications
However, congress refused to start counting applications occurring before the letter. The speakers were sued.
http://www.foavc.org/reference/doc4.pdf
That suit, of course was denied. Government is deeply unlawful. These .pdf's by Bill Walker explain the developing status.
http://www.foavc.org/reference/file67.pdf
http://www.foavc.org/reference/file70.pdf
http://www.foavc.org/reference/file71.pdf
http://www.foavc.org/reference/file73.pdf
http://www.foavc.org/reference/file74.pdf
http://www.foavc.org/reference/file75.pdf
National Archives and Records Administration Attempts Termination of Article V Convention
http://www.foavc.org/reference/file77.pdf
http://www.foavc.org/reference/file78.pdf
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23605231 - 09/02/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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That case was dismissed in November of 2004. It was appealed to the Ninth District, and the dismissal was affirmed.
In layman's terms, that case is over. Walker lost.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
#23605457 - 09/02/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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See what I mean, evil is not okay.
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Enlil said: Which states have already called for the convention?
Sorry , you do not have enough credibility to deserve the effort required to answer.
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Enlil said: That case was dismissed in November of 2004. It was appealed to the Ninth District, and the dismissal was affirmed.
In layman's terms, that case is over. Walker lost.
OMG. you look at the first piece of the story running for years and do not even get to what I directed you towards, Montgomery Sibley filed another suit last year.
Your credibility as an American supportive of the 1787 Constitution is gone.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
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You posted a video about walker, not sibley.
The Sibley lawsuit was also dismissed and remanded to superior court, though. He was disbarred, as well.
He admits that he has no standing, so this case is going nowhere fast.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: You posted a video about walker, not sibley.
The Sibley lawsuit was also dismissed and remanded to superior court, though. He was disbarred, as well.
He admits that he has no standing, so this case is going nowhere fast.
OMG! And what about the actions of the National Archives? Are you going to say you stand for the constitution and ignore that?
I never mentioned Walker, I only mentioned Sibley, and the courts are corrupt by not recognizing his standing. You are sick.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
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He admitted he has no standing. The court agreed with him.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: He admitted he has no standing. The court agreed with him.
Hah! Your concerns are about the wrong issue. Your intentions are revealed to be anti constitutional when you show approval for the court and fail to mention the action of the National Archives. Selectivity, and false entitlement, emotional reasoning minimizing the treason.
A mass of cognitive distortions fraudulently based. That Siblys suit was dismissed proves how corripupt the federal system is.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
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I don't know anything about what the national archives did, and it has nothing to do with those cases anyway.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: I don't know anything about what the national archives did, and it has nothing to do with those cases anyway.
Actions speak louder than words. Repeated words with a clear intent of deception paint one of three pictures.
1) You are clueless 2) You are a liar 3) You are a covert agent
What the national archives did has everything to do with the Sibley suit. This post has it all(.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23605193#23605193
But your actions show you don't care about the 1787 constitution. In fact they show you would like to see the constitution defeated.
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So, tell us all what the national archive did...
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I can't believe you're still replying to this guy, although I admit I'm kinda curious to see just how far and how efficiently you can dismantle his argument 
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
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Why should the national archives sort out every request for a convention? That's not the purpose of the archives. Anyone can view them at any time. If there's not enough people out there willing to sort through it, there's nowhere near enough support to amend the constitution.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: nooneman]
#23612823 - 09/04/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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nooneman said: I can't believe you're still replying to this guy, although I admit I'm kinda curious to see just how far and how efficiently you can dismantle his argument 
Good job so far!
Thank you for recognizing some dilemma and posting. He has no argument. It's all designed to manipulate viewers cognition of the facts, or dismiss them altogether.
The administrators here deleted my first thread which was about cognitive infiltration and exposing then blocking it.
Accordingly I have to drag this pretender through the mud to show what it really is doing here wasting peoples time and working see they are misled and ineffective at making decisions regarding our law and the politics that are supposed to respect it.
Kudos to you for the critical thinking and recognizing that something ain't right.
It goes like this;
If I cannot get people to discuss the solution, to what is a serious problem for them whether they know it or not, then I make the agents try to dismiss it, and expose them in the process. I try to present a worse case scenario to them as infiltrators.
See, they have to oppose anything that may hinder their masters agenda. According, to get them to act all one has to do is present stuff that their masters strongly oppose and they have to post no matter how inane and ignorant it sounds.
To expose and block them is to make an agreement they are forbidden to participate in. That is an agreement which represents unity around prime constitutional intent. That is the LAST thing the agents masters want.
A sincere, real American can find no reason to not accept and agree with such. Here is what it looks like.
Do you agree and accept that the framers of the founding documents intended for us to alter or abolish government destructive to our unalienable rights?
Do you agree and accept that the ultimate purpose of free speech is to enable the unity adequate to effectively alter or abolish government destructive to our unalienable rights?
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23612886 - 09/04/16 09:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Seems like all you ever have is delusional accusations about government agents posting online.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
#23612913 - 09/04/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Seems like all you ever have is delusional accusations about government agents posting online.
You failed to address what NARA did. Did you just pretnd to want to know?
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23612935 - 09/04/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I asked you a question which you ignored.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
#23612952 - 09/04/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I asked you a question which you ignored.
No, you ignored the answer.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23612960 - 09/04/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I looked for it again and couldn't find it. Could you copy and paste it into a new post so I can identify it?
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
#23612963 - 09/04/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Why should the national archives sort out every request for a convention? That's not the purpose of the archives. Anyone can view them at any time. If there's not enough people out there willing to sort through it, there's nowhere near enough support to amend the constitution.
Congress has a duty clearly defined and the Archives have the duty of documenting it and the structure it shall take.
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The Constitution of the United States * * * * * * * * * *
Article V
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23612969 - 09/04/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can you cite a law that makes the archives responsible for sorting out requests for a convention?
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
#23612985 - 09/04/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Can you cite a law that makes the archives responsible for sorting out requests for a convention?
It's implied in Article V if the archives document the actions of congress.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23612990 - 09/04/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The archives does what Congress tells them to do. That's their job. The constitution is silent about it.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
#23613058 - 09/04/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: The archives does what Congress tells them to do. That's their job. The constitution is silent about it.
Sibleys lawsuit shows congress is unconstitutional and the letters from NARA show the same about the archives.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23613078 - 09/04/16 10:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sibley's lawsuit shows why he was disbarred.
What is your argument that Congress is unconstitutional based on?
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
#23615353 - 09/05/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Sibley's lawsuit shows why he was disbarred.
What is your argument that Congress is unconstitutional based on?
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The Constitution of the United States * * * * * * * * * *
Article V
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.
You probably cannot understand that congress is supposed to count in order to know when 2/3 has been reached and that the National Archives needs to record it along with the library of congress.
But really, if you have to ask that question you do not have the intelligence and integrity to conduct the discussion. I shall not waste my time further.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23615752 - 09/05/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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That doesn't make Congress itself unconstitutional.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: nooneman]
#23617555 - 09/06/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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nooneman said: I can't believe you're still replying to this guy, although I admit I'm kinda curious to see just how far and how efficiently you can dismantle his argument 
Good job so far!
I'll second that.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
#23620132 - 09/06/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: That doesn't make Congress itself unconstitutional.
Hmmm, looks like a pretend intelligence issue. Pretending you cannot understand, or cognit, that if the constitution says "2/3", then congress has to count, exposes your agenda.
Cognitive infiltration relies on that tactic last. Hard to believe that infiltrators have been trained to pretend that they can't think in the hopes that the public will follow their example.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23620149 - 09/06/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23620157 - 09/06/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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ChristopherABrown said:
Sibleys lawsuit shows congress is unconstitutional
When I asked you what you base that on, you gave me some bullshit about how Congress has to count.
I ask again: How is Congress itself unconstitutional?
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
#23620301 - 09/06/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: You said:
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ChristopherABrown said:
Sibleys lawsuit shows congress is unconstitutional
When I asked you what you base that on, you gave me some bullshit about how Congress has to count.
I ask again: How is Congress itself unconstitutional?
Pretending you can't read now are you?
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Hmmm, looks like a pretend intelligence issue. Pretending you cannot understand, or cognit, that if the constitution says "2/3", then congress has to count, exposes your agenda.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23620864 - 09/07/16 06:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It looks more like the problem is that you can't write. 
If you didn't mean to say that Congress is unconstitutional, just tell us what you did mean to say. I'm not a mind reader.
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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
#23643170 - 09/13/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: It looks more like the problem is that you can't write. 
If you didn't mean to say that Congress is unconstitutional, just tell us what you did mean to say. I'm not a mind reader.
Hm, seems you have all the qualifications needed to be a member of our infiltrated congress.
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