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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
    #23605193 - 09/02/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I know nothing about that.




In 1911, 2/3 of the states applied for a convention and congress violated the law, their oath and the constitution by failing to convene delegates and that this continues today?



This document has links to the letter and other aspects related.

http://www.foavc.org/reference/file47.pdf

Can you accept that such a fact justifies that all delegates be elected in the states by the people of those states?

Because of that letter, the house finally adopts rule to count states applications for Article V.

http://www.examiner.com/article/u-s-...n-applications

However, congress refused to start counting applications occurring before the letter.  The speakers were sued.

http://www.foavc.org/reference/doc4.pdf

That suit, of course was denied.  Government is deeply unlawful.  These .pdf's by Bill Walker explain the developing status.

http://www.foavc.org/reference/file67.pdf

http://www.foavc.org/reference/file70.pdf

http://www.foavc.org/reference/file71.pdf

http://www.foavc.org/reference/file73.pdf

http://www.foavc.org/reference/file74.pdf

http://www.foavc.org/reference/file75.pdf

National Archives and Records Administration Attempts Termination of Article V Convention

http://www.foavc.org/reference/file77.pdf

http://www.foavc.org/reference/file78.pdf


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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
    #23605231 - 09/02/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That case was dismissed in November of 2004.  It was appealed to the Ninth District, and the dismissal was affirmed.


In layman's terms, that case is over.  Walker lost.


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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
    #23605457 - 09/02/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

See what I mean, evil is not okay.

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Which states have already called for the convention?




Sorry , you do not have enough credibility to deserve the effort required to answer.




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That case was dismissed in November of 2004.  It was appealed to the Ninth District, and the dismissal was affirmed.


In layman's terms, that case is over.  Walker lost.






OMG. you look at the first piece of the story running for years and do not even get to what I directed you towards, Montgomery Sibley filed another suit last year. 

Your credibility as an American supportive of the 1787 Constitution is gone.


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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
    #23605553 - 09/02/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You posted a video about walker, not sibley.

The Sibley lawsuit was also dismissed and remanded to superior court, though.  He was disbarred, as well.

He admits that he has no standing, so this case is going nowhere fast.



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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
    #23606304 - 09/02/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You posted a video about walker, not sibley.

The Sibley lawsuit was also dismissed and remanded to superior court, though.  He was disbarred, as well.

He admits that he has no standing, so this case is going nowhere fast.






OMG!  And what about the actions of the National Archives?  Are you going to say you stand for the constitution and ignore that?

I never mentioned Walker, I only mentioned Sibley, and the courts are corrupt by not recognizing his standing.  You are sick.


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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
    #23606321 - 09/02/16 09:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

He admitted he has no standing.  The court agreed with him.


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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
    #23609808 - 09/03/16 11:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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He admitted he has no standing.  The court agreed with him.




Hah! Your concerns are about the wrong issue.  Your intentions are revealed to be anti constitutional when you show approval for the court and fail to mention the action of the National Archives.  Selectivity, and false entitlement, emotional reasoning minimizing the treason.

A mass of cognitive distortions fraudulently based.  That Siblys suit was dismissed proves how corripupt the federal system is.


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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
    #23610384 - 09/04/16 07:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know anything about what the national archives did, and it has nothing to do with those cases anyway.


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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
    #23612118 - 09/04/16 05:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know anything about what the national archives did, and it has nothing to do with those cases anyway.




Actions speak louder than words.  Repeated words with a clear intent of deception paint one of three pictures.

1) You are clueless
2) You are a liar
3) You are a covert agent

What the national archives did has everything to do with the Sibley suit.  This post has it all(.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23605193#23605193

But your actions show you don't care about the 1787 constitution.  In fact they show you would like to see the constitution defeated.


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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown] * 1
    #23612123 - 09/04/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So, tell us all what the national archive did...


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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #23612162 - 09/04/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I can't believe you're still replying to this guy, although I admit I'm kinda curious to see just how far and how efficiently you can dismantle his argument :lol:

Good job so far!


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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
    #23612693 - 09/04/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
    #23612739 - 09/04/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Why should the national archives sort out every request for a convention? That's not the purpose of the archives.  Anyone can view them at any time.  If there's not enough people out there willing to sort through it, there's nowhere near enough support to amend the constitution.


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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: nooneman]
    #23612823 - 09/04/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I can't believe you're still replying to this guy, although I admit I'm kinda curious to see just how far and how efficiently you can dismantle his argument :lol:

Good job so far!




Thank you for recognizing some dilemma and posting.  He has no argument.  It's all designed to manipulate viewers cognition of the facts, or dismiss them altogether.

The administrators here deleted my first thread which was about cognitive infiltration and exposing then blocking it. 

Accordingly I have to drag this pretender through the mud to show what it really is doing here wasting peoples time and working see they are misled and ineffective at making decisions regarding our law and the politics that are supposed to respect it.

Kudos to you for the critical thinking and recognizing that something ain't right.





It goes like this;

If I cannot get people to discuss the solution, to what is a serious problem for them whether they know it or not, then I make the agents try to dismiss it, and expose them in the process.  I try to present a worse case scenario to them as infiltrators.

See, they have to oppose anything that may hinder their masters agenda.  According, to get them to act all one has to do is present stuff that their masters strongly oppose and they have to post no matter how inane and ignorant it sounds.

To expose and block them is to make an agreement they are forbidden to participate in.  That is an agreement which represents unity around prime constitutional intent.  That is the LAST thing the agents masters want.

A sincere, real American can find no reason to not accept and agree with such.  Here is what it looks like.

Do you agree and accept that the framers of the founding documents intended for us to alter or abolish government destructive to our unalienable rights?

Do you agree and accept that the ultimate purpose of free speech is to enable the unity adequate to effectively alter or abolish government destructive to our unalienable rights?


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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
    #23612886 - 09/04/16 09:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Seems like all you ever have is delusional accusations about government agents posting online.


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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
    #23612913 - 09/04/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Seems like all you ever have is delusional accusations about government agents posting online.




You failed to address what NARA did.  Did you just pretnd to want to know?


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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
    #23612935 - 09/04/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I asked you a question which you ignored.


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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
    #23612952 - 09/04/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I asked you a question which you ignored.




No, you ignored the answer.


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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: ChristopherABrown]
    #23612960 - 09/04/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I looked for it again and couldn't find it.  Could you copy and paste it into a new post so I can identify it?


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Re: The Countermand AMD.-Putting teeth into states rights [Re: Enlil]
    #23612963 - 09/04/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Why should the national archives sort out every request for a convention? That's not the purpose of the archives.  Anyone can view them at any time.  If there's not enough people out there willing to sort through it, there's nowhere near enough support to amend the constitution.




Congress has a duty clearly defined and the Archives have the duty of documenting it and the structure it shall take.

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The Constitution of the United States
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Article V

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.




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