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#23569863 - 08/23/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think I've said enough.
No one is free when others are oppressed.
No longer would the silent majority have to choose from the two parties.
Speak now, or forever hold your gender.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go] 9
#23569874 - 08/23/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I thought not showing your gender is being neutral?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go] 7
#23569878 - 08/23/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I identify as a man who identifies as a woman who identifies as a man. Mensheption
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#23569879 - 08/23/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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im transbrogendered brah
fuckin hella
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: spirit_shadow] 4
#23569886 - 08/23/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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That is oppression, and you're conditioned to it. It isn't your fault though.
What I am proposing, is an "other" option.
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#23569895 - 08/23/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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1234go said:
I think I've said enough.
No one is free when others are oppressed.
No longer would the silent majority have to choose from the two parties.
Speak now, or forever hold your gender.
Thats so gay. Youre a guy who identifies as a guy and are pretending to be woman.
This is bullshit! Ban 1234go 2016!!
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go] 1
#23569903 - 08/23/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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That is oppression, and you're conditioned to it. It isn't your fault though.
What I am proposing, is an "other" option.
That is a matter of perspective.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: spirit_shadow] 3
#23569910 - 08/23/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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OP
You act as if nonbinary genders have just come on to the scene.
Opt out of labeling yourself as male or female if you don't fit one of them 
It's a tiny little icon anyway it doesn't matter
Yours isn't even accurate, so that shows how seriously it's taken
Also what's the story behind that avatar?
That's not the real actress right, is that some sort of cosplay
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#23569952 - 08/23/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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You gonna answer that or just stare at me with that expression?
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#23569959 - 08/23/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I didn't realize you were that much tard.
Yes, I will answer it for you.
It is the real actress, Carrie Fisher.
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#23569972 - 08/23/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pardon me for not being up to par on my Star Wars 
Also arguing for gender neutrality and calling people tards seems to be counterproductive
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go]
#23569993 - 08/23/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Are you sure it isn't a cosplay chick? Are you sure?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: California]
#23570017 - 08/23/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I might have to check that out, seems like something I'd like. I miss out on so many good shows/movies.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go]
#23570022 - 08/23/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is really fucking funny, and only like, five or so seasons. Do check it out.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: California]
#23570178 - 08/23/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, do so. That show is fucking hilarious.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go] 2
#23570191 - 08/23/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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No one is free when others are oppressed.
and you think gender neutral, male and female isnt oppressive to those of us that
dont identify as any of those?
my gender shall henceforth be known as Dionysian Clown, refer to me by the
proper pronoun or face my sloth and procrastination!
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#23570216 - 08/23/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Scrolling....reading....
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go]
#23570296 - 08/23/16 07:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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1234go said:
I think I've said enough.
No one is free when others are oppressed.
No longer would the silent majority have to choose from the two parties.
Speak now, or forever hold your gender.
When will you be making your own transgender thread?
Sophist sees straight through you.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: pachoo] 1
#23570725 - 08/23/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks, its iz brvtal, no?
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#23570772 - 08/23/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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TheMovement said:
Quote:
1234go said:
I think I've said enough.
No one is free when others are oppressed.
No longer would the silent majority have to choose from the two parties.
Speak now, or forever hold your gender.
Thats so gay. Youre a guy who identifies as a guy and are pretending to be woman.
This is bullshit! Ban 1234go 2016!!
You're a guy who identifies as a guy and you posted a picture of yourself in a dress.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go] 1
#23571282 - 08/23/16 11:44 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would be in favor of this. I wouldn't use the neutral gender marker, because I'm a female, but it would be nice if the Shroomery had a marker to affirm the gender/s of those who fall outside the male-female binary, be they intersex, genderqueer, androgyne, Dionysian Clown or Doctor.
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#23571292 - 08/23/16 11:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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because I'm a female
UGGHHHH
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Eminence] 2
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: nuds]
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OP
You act as if nonbinary genders have just come on to the scene.
Opt out of labeling yourself as male or female if you don't fit one of them
It's a tiny little icon anyway it doesn't matter
Yours isn't even accurate, so that shows how seriously it's taken
Also what's the story behind that avatar?
That's not the real actress right, is that some sort of cosplay
Lol, this winner blocked me so he won't get the benefit of reading my response, but this guy doesn't know shit.
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Quote:
1234go said:
I think I've said enough.
No one is free when others are oppressed.
No longer would the silent majority have to choose from the two parties.
Speak now, or forever hold your gender.
When will you be making your own transgender thread?
Sophist sees straight through you.
Through what do you propose I see?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Eminence] 2
#23571582 - 08/24/16 02:13 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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So brutal!!! I'm going have to watch some when I get internet now.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: pachoo] 2
#23571618 - 08/24/16 02:36 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Speaking of gender, I'm gonna make an appointment to hopefulyl start hormones today! Then Ear piercings! YAAAY!!
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Apollyphelion]
#23571627 - 08/24/16 02:39 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hormones kick ass 
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Apollyphelion]
#23571628 - 08/24/16 02:40 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wooo!
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 1
#23571663 - 08/24/16 03:04 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hormones kick ass
I consider the "two wings" of transofrmation
at the moment hormones and facial hair removal
and only doing the facial hair every month atm.
Once I get on mones I'll be "flying straight"
towards my destination.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Apollyphelion]
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I only started electrolysis earlier this year (started HRT in '14)
I have to say I find the HRT a lot less painful 
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23571673 - 08/24/16 03:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I only started electrolysis earlier this year (started HRT in '14)
I have to say I find the HRT a lot less painful
Oh god, I am such a sissy for the pain
I was actually thinking if Ketamine would make me
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go] 1
#23571678 - 08/24/16 03:14 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Seems entirely unnecessary when there is an option to not display gender, as I have chosen. After all, we're in a place where we can express ourselves entirely as we are, without Ythan having to program in a bunch of extra icons for people.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Apollyphelion]
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I get it for 2 hours every week
It might sound extreme, but it's really frustrating when you're as feminized as I am-- with exquisitely delicate skin, mind you!-- and still having to shave regularly. It sucks. I just want to get this stage over with. I've made good progress, my chin hair is basically gone and lip hair thinned a great deal, but there are stragglers on my jawline and cheeks. They shall be exterminated in due time 
I take vicodin 
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#23571693 - 08/24/16 03:22 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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After all, we're in a place where we can express ourselves entirely as we are
Not under the stranglehold of the two icons, we do not.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go]
#23571696 - 08/24/16 03:24 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Graems are being added every week-- why should we need such a comprehensive array of gender markers any less?
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#23571703 - 08/24/16 03:27 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Aye!
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go]
#23571715 - 08/24/16 03:35 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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where is gender O.
i want a gender that goes all the way left, and the back around all the round to where right would have been.
i'll put-put my child there as an experiment.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
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where is gender O.
i want a gender that goes all the way left, and the back around all the round to where right would have been.
i'll put-put my child there as an experiment.
there is an AMA on reddit
from a FtMtF
she basically legit wanted to trans back
which is SUUUPER rare.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
#23571719 - 08/24/16 03:39 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would still use the female icon, even if there was a trans female icon available. I still think they should be available, though.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
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Glad to see some actual input over the close mindedness that came forth on the previous page.
Now we're getting somewhere.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Apollyphelion]
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where is gender O.
i want a gender that goes all the way left, and the back around all the round to where right would have been.
i'll put-put my child there as an experiment.
there is an AMA on reddit
from a FtMtF
she basically legit wanted to trans back
which is SUUUPER rare.
this brings up an interesting point that i know everyone will just...*snuggle*...isn't it the case with like letting people be free in their choices, and not diminish them their right to free expression, ect, the new look at identifying with our social-selves...like not indoctrinating your kids to be like, you know, some weird cult baby. well, lol, this 'new look' also expresses itself in how we engender ourselves in societal roles.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go] 4
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From a practical perspective: how do we represent additional genders in a 12 x 11 pixel image where the main defining characteristic is the shirt color? And how do we avoid excluding people without adding an absurd number of one-off choices for every special snowflake than needs accommodation? The best I can envision is an "other" option with a grey shirt and androgynous hairstyle or something, but I have a feeling that even a well-intentioned lumping of all alternative gender identities together like that would just piss off the social justice warriors somehow. Seems easier to just leave "unspecified" as the default, catch-all option.
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ythan please add me "extremegendered" the shirt needs to be the letter X in as bold of a font as possible given the constraints outlined
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Ythan]
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Speaking as somebody who is regularly accused of being an SJW, a neutral/third gender option is definitely better than nothing. I guess that one would have a white or gray shirt and unstyled long hair.
If you wanted to go further and add transgender markers, they could consist of both blue and pink, i.e. blue at the bottom and pink at the top with styled hair for trans female, pink at bottom and blue at top with short hair for trans male, and so on. Maybe make the lower color strip thinner if possible so the upper stands out more.
 colors like this
If you added those three, there would be very little to complain about, and it should be a pretty simple matter getting it done. I bet you won't do it though
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
#23572293 - 08/24/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doo eet Cosmic! And I will give you +5... Oh wait
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Cosmic_Flame] 1
#23572301 - 08/24/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Every time we talk its like 5+ up in mah face 
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
#23572313 - 08/24/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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transgender is one thing, but these nonbinaries need to pick a side. their symbol shoud be a close up of a Barbie or Ken doll(we wont know), showing their smooth genderless sex area
maybe thas better for the asexuals
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23572329 - 08/24/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said:
transgender is one thing, but these nonbinaries need to pick a side. their symbol shoud be a close up of a Barbie or Ken doll(we wont know), showing their smooth genderless sex area
maybe thas better for the asexuals
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Ythan]
#23572348 - 08/24/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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From a practical perspective: how do we represent additional genders in a 12 x 11 pixel image where the main defining characteristic is the shirt color? And how do we avoid excluding people without adding an absurd number of one-off choices for every special snowflake than needs accommodation? The best I can envision is an "other" option with a grey shirt and androgynous hairstyle or something, but I have a feeling that even a well-intentioned lumping of all alternative gender identities together like that would just piss off the social justice warriors somehow. Seems easier to just leave "unspecified" as the default, catch-all option.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Ythan] 1
#23572353 - 08/24/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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And how do we avoid excluding people without adding an absurd number of one-off choices for every special snowflake than needs accommodation?
We don't think about that too much.
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The best I can envision is an "other" option with a grey shirt and androgynous hairstyle or something
This is exactly what I had in mind, and I agree it could cause some controversy.
I'm looking forward to the new feature. When should we expect it?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go]
#23572355 - 08/24/16 10:02 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, when?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 1
#23572360 - 08/24/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I swear to God, if you cock block me right now girl...game over.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go] 1
#23572365 - 08/24/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm on your side dude
Or is that what you mean? 
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 1
#23572385 - 08/24/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just stay out of my way when it comes to Ythan.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go]
#23572388 - 08/24/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you go to the gender option in your account, you will see that they are there.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go] 1
#23572389 - 08/24/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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*backs off*
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23572392 - 08/24/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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clock_of_omens said:
If you go to the gender option in your account, you will see that they are there.
This is lame.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 1
#23572409 - 08/24/16 10:22 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've identified as a cat for the last 7 years now. Where's my option?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23572411 - 08/24/16 10:22 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lol what's lame?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23572414 - 08/24/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Haha the teapot wasn't there the first time I looked. Noice.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23572415 - 08/24/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I set my gender to trans-female and it jusr gave me short me short hair.
Dammit Ythan, this flagrantly tongue-in-cheek misrepresentation of my fabulously longhaired trans sisters and me SHALL NOT STAND. 
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23572422 - 08/24/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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And what of the short haired trans people? You can't have it both ways. Somone's precious feelings are bound to be hurt.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Ythan]
#23572437 - 08/24/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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So yeah I added "Trans-male", "Trans-female", and "Other" options for gender. The hard part was making icons which are clearly differentiated but I did my best. If you guys want to try your hand at it, I'll be glad to consider different images which fit the same size restrictions. I also took the opportunity to add full support for the HTCPCP specification detailed in RFC 2324.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Ythan]
#23572443 - 08/24/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Making out overlord work extra, gender weird people. Now scrifice a goat for him
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Ythan]
#23572480 - 08/24/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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What the hell Ythan?!?! My profile says I'm female, but I'm clearly a teapot!!
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens] 1
#23572483 - 08/24/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thread paid off
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Ythan] 1
#23572501 - 08/24/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm head over heals for this teapot, Ythan.
It's absolutely adorable, and I finally feel comfortable with myself.
You are a man of the people. Thank you for not only hearing our voice, but listening.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go] 2
#23572505 - 08/24/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well look at that, the cat has been discriminated against once again
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go]
#23572510 - 08/24/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Show us your spout
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Patlal]
#23572511 - 08/24/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bro, no one gives a shit about cats. Especially bald ones.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ModestMouse] 1
#23572520 - 08/24/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thread paid off
No need to apologize.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go] 2
#23572649 - 08/24/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lmao are you kidding me? All that bitching and moaning and you guys are happy with a tea pot? Fucking hilarious lol....
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: spirit_shadow]
#23572665 - 08/24/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Teapot is the best gender.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: spirit_shadow]
#23572669 - 08/24/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lmao are you kidding me? All that bitching and moaning and you guys are happy with a tea pot? Fucking hilarious lol....
I'm very happy with it.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: TheMovement] 1
#23572679 - 08/24/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just to clearify im not trying to sound sarcastic. I really think its funny in a good way.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: spirit_shadow] 2
#23572693 - 08/24/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I set my gender to female because a trans woman is a woman. Yeah I'm a biological male, no denying that. My title is self explanatory.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: spirit_shadow]
#23572702 - 08/24/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's even more hilarious that several of you got a little riled up over it, I was kidding from the start.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go] 3
#23572710 - 08/24/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lol, this thread is great and serves as a hella reminder why this site is the best.
Well done, everyone.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Burke Dennings]
#23572716 - 08/24/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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i'm a little teapot short and stout, this is my handle, this is my spout.
tip me over and pour me out.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
#23572719 - 08/24/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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That made me think of Alice In Wonderland. There should be a cheshire cat option
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple] 1
#23572725 - 08/24/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd rather be a borogrove.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23572727 - 08/24/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
akira_akuma said:
i'm a little teapot short and stout, this is my handle, this is my spout.
tip me over and pour me out.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Burke Dennings]
#23572731 - 08/24/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks Burke, I'm just doing my part.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
#23572805 - 08/24/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I set my gender to female because a trans woman is a woman. Yeah I'm a biological male, no denying that. My title is self explanatory.
It's likely that I'll switch back to the female icon soon, but I think it's cool that we at least have these options. Recognition = progress
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 3
#23572811 - 08/24/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fuck it. I want to be a teapot too.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go]
#23572847 - 08/24/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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You gonna answer that or just stare at me with that expression?
Quote:
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I didn't realize you were that much tard.
Yes, I will answer it for you.
It is the real actress, Carrie Fisher.
Didn't recognize Carrie Fisher? wtf
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: pachoo] 2
#23572860 - 08/24/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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So many FLCL avatars in this thread, I love it.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: K-9 Unit] 2
#23572871 - 08/24/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just alternate between different ones. I noticed Shades has hers too.
Loooooooove it
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 4
#23572873 - 08/24/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Seems entirely unnecessary when there is an option to not display gender, as I have chosen. After all, we're in a place where we can express ourselves entirely as we are, without Ythan having to program in a bunch of extra icons for people.
Some people absolutely must label themselves and others.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: California]
#23572906 - 08/24/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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They sure do, "California"
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 4
#23572928 - 08/24/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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In more specific terms of course.
I know I don't give a single fuck what anyone here sexually identifies as.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: California] 1
#23572938 - 08/24/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Gender identity =/= sexual orientation/identity. I could go celibate and I would still be a female
Whys it always gotta be about sex, huh? 
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 1
#23572947 - 08/24/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't care what anyone gender identifies as either. Better?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: California] 1
#23572951 - 08/24/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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you would if your head was being caved in because someone thought you weren't human enough to care about; or no?
too much?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
#23572957 - 08/24/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Zero fucks given.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: California]
#23572964 - 08/24/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Akira what's the deal w your avatar?
Is that actually duck hunt dog or is it a cosplay?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ModestMouse]
#23572970 - 08/24/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Akira what's the deal w your avatar?
Is that actually duck hunt dog or is it a cosplay?
just a dead dog to wash your sins away.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
#23573034 - 08/24/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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You know what I identify as? HUMAN.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: spirit_shadow]
#23573043 - 08/24/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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and you don't ever feel like a piece of shit?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Patlal]
#23573266 - 08/24/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well look at that, the cat has been discriminated against once again
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: PatrickKn] 1
#23573520 - 08/24/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Now we've got to tackle the clear and blatant disregard for racial equality in these gender icons.
I mean... ffs... theyre all white
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Ythan] 2
#23573586 - 08/24/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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So yeah I added "Trans-male", "Trans-female", and "Other" options for gender. The hard part was making icons which are clearly differentiated but I did my best. If you guys want to try your hand at it, I'll be glad to consider different images which fit the same size restrictions. I also took the opportunity to add full support for the HTCPCP specification detailed in RFC 2324.
Whoa dude, now add a dinosaur one for me or I will likely be triggered as fuck. Transdino is even one of the biggest identity minorities out there. Those humanoid icons just do not do justice to the glory of my dinosity.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ModestMouse]
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Now we've got to tackle the clear and blatant disregard for racial equality in these gender icons.
I mean... ffs... theyre all white
That's actually a pretty good point
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 3
#23573656 - 08/24/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just make my dino icon green is all I ask. All humans look the same to me.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: John Nada] 1
#23573956 - 08/24/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok thats dope. And for the record I dont give a fuck what any of you identify as. Were all teapots here.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: spirit_shadow]
#23573984 - 08/24/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: John Nada]
#23573997 - 08/24/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think Ythan is a fucking legend for making this happen, and maybe I'm just some old prick who ain't 'down with the kids' or some shit anymore, but fuck, I can't believe this became a thing. So quick too. Now i'm just confused cause everyone seems to be a fucking teapot all of a sudden...
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: spirit_shadow] 1
#23574011 - 08/24/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok thats dope. And for the record I dont give a fuck what any of you identify as. Were all teapots here.
Word. Represent that kettle.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: John Nada]
#23574016 - 08/24/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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So yeah I added "Trans-male", "Trans-female", and "Other" options for gender. The hard part was making icons which are clearly differentiated but I did my best. If you guys want to try your hand at it, I'll be glad to consider different images which fit the same size restrictions. I also took the opportunity to add full support for the HTCPCP specification detailed in RFC 2324.
Whoa dude, now add a dinosaur one for me or I will likely be triggered as fuck. Transdino is even one of the biggest identity minorities out there. Those humanoid icons just do not do justice to the glory of my dinosity.
^Fits the size requirements.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: PatrickKn]
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#23574023 - 08/24/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think Ythan is a fucking legend for making this happen, and maybe I'm just some old prick who ain't 'down with the kids' or some shit anymore, but fuck, I can't believe this became a thing. So quick too. Now i'm just confused cause everyone seems to be a fucking teapot all of a sudden...
I know right? Its dope as hell.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: PatrickKn]
#23574035 - 08/24/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Almost got it, man. Almost. It's hard to see what it is and it doesn't quite represent dinosaurhood sufficiently. Valiant effort, nonetheless.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 2
#23574094 - 08/24/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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My favorite part of all this is that you guys thought it was lame and unnecessary until Ythan made it happen, LOL.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go] 1
#23574116 - 08/24/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I still think it's lame and unnecessary. I have no idea how you might have got otherwise from my post.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23574130 - 08/24/16 08:23 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do you guys think with the modern advances in medicine and plastic surgery my childhood dream of being a dinosaur may be a reality before i die?
I really am sick of the fact that people can't take this view seriously.
I for one agree with transgenders, we should all be allowed to become whatever the hell we want, amd the rest of you can my robodino ass.
Hily shit, i wish i had a way to prove this. When i opened the thread it took me straight to page three. After i posted (without reading a damn post) it took me to this page where you guys are having the same convo as my thoughts?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23574132 - 08/24/16 08:23 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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You're just super stoked about it now, it's funny is all. Enjoy.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go]
#23574514 - 08/24/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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You're just super stoked about it now, it's funny is all. Enjoy.
Thread delivers 
Unfortunately, we still have a long way to go from here. Psychonautica must be spinning in his grave to see us celebrating while even more marginalized genders continue to languish in obscurity. There can be no justice and no peace until Doctor and Zorbian gender markers are made available
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 1
#23574537 - 08/24/16 11:22 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mark this event, remember where you were when Shroomery introduced more gender options in the user options. Things have changed.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23574554 - 08/24/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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1234go said:
You're just super stoked about it now, it's funny is all. Enjoy.
Thread delivers
Unfortunately, we still have a long way to go from here. Psychonautica must be spinning in his grave to see us celebrating while even more marginalized genders continue to languish in obscurity. There can be no justice and no peace until Doctor and Zorbian gender markers are made available
The otherkin need to be represented too
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23574558 - 08/24/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think Nada's got that one covered
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 2
#23574611 - 08/24/16 11:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Entheogender– A gender similar to a psychedelic or spiritual experience, unable to be explained or understood in mundane terms."
Is this what happens when you trip hard enough? Do you just become a psychedelic trip? Because that sounds awesome!
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple] 1
#23574897 - 08/25/16 02:13 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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The people demand psychedelic hormone therapy.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
#23575004 - 08/25/16 04:18 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do you guys think with the modern advances in medicine and plastic surgery my childhood dream of being a dinosaur may be a reality before i die?
A dinoplasty? I think we're on track:
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23575132 - 08/25/16 06:39 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sophistic Radiance said:
Psychonautica must be spinning in his grave to see us celebrating while even more marginalized genders continue to languish in obscurity.
Couldn't care less, let him spin.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23575278 - 08/25/16 08:13 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sophistic Radiance said:
Quote:
1234go said:
You're just super stoked about it now, it's funny is all. Enjoy.
Thread delivers
Unfortunately, we still have a long way to go from here. Psychonautica must be spinning in his grave to see us celebrating while even more marginalized genders continue to languish in obscurity. There can be no justice and no peace until Doctor and Zorbian gender markers are made available
How many genders are there? Is there one fornpeople like me who can't fall asleep that well at night, but sometimes i do?
They should make a different gender for people who get along with each common household pet, but not in a sexual way, better than they get along with people.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: LuSiD enthusiast] 1
#23575304 - 08/25/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Old joke where gender is conflated with species or nongendered personal traits for the sake of mocking trans people's experience of their gender is old
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go]
#23575336 - 08/25/16 08:42 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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You're just super stoked about it now, it's funny is all. Enjoy.
At first I thought ythan actually combined two genders and it just happened to look like a teapot (i was pretty out of it at that time), then i got to looking closer and it was an actual teapot, which ironically fits my mindset perfectly as in none of it fucking matters, lets be a teapot.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23575605 - 08/25/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is that the name of your sig?Quote:
Sophistic Radiance said:
Old joke where gender is conflated with species or nongendered personal traits for the sake of mocking trans people's experience of their gender is old
as ar as Im concerned, if you have an x or y chromosome you are 100% tea ot. Get over it and embrace yur identity
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23575639 - 08/25/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why don't you embrace these nuts
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23575655 - 08/25/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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why can't people just research the word.
i'd be the first person to tell anyone that language changes...yes, gender is included to mean more than what it meant in the past...but that doesn't change that it's still used in that way, and that it was CREATED with that original meaning. that doesn't mean it's restricted to that. but i do think it should be taking into consideration determining what exactly this issue, here, entails.
for us to forgo that associations, from the standpoint of the grammarians and the inventors of what words we use, on the word gender -- meaning something entirely more specific than just sex, as you can clearly see when you look at the etymology.
"gender (n.) Look up gender at Dictionary.com
c. 1300, "kind, sort, class," from Old French gendre, genre "kind, species; character; gender" (12c., Modern French genre), from stem of Latin genus (genitive generis) "race, stock, family; kind, rank, order; species," also "(male or female) sex," from PIE root *gene- (see genus). Also used in Latin to translate Aristotle's Greek grammatical term genos. The grammatical sense is attested in English from late 14c. The -d- is a phonetic accretion in Old French (compare sound (n.1)).
The "male-or-female sex" sense is attested in English from early 15c. As sex (n.) took on erotic qualities in 20c., gender came to be the usual English word for "sex of a human being," in which use it was at first regarded as colloquial or humorous. Later often in feminist writing with reference to social attributes as much as biological qualities; this sense first attested 1963."
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 4
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Why don't you embrace these nuts
Because you don't embrace them either.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Seriously_trippin]
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Maybe I should set up a contest where people can win them to keep in a jar once they get the snip
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#23576031 - 08/25/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes, multilate yourself to make yourself feel better, going to a therapist and possibly avoiding suicide later on in your life is definitely not the better option.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Eminence]
#23576044 - 08/25/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just go here and you will feel better: google.com/teapot
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: spirit_shadow] 1
#23576057 - 08/25/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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What if ur an asexually budding polyp who identifies with none of these options?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Eminence] 1
#23576059 - 08/25/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I see a therapist for two hours every week.
You don't know shit about me or my life or my health. Fuck off with your fake concern.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23576064 - 08/25/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you're comfortable answering this question would you?
When you made the decision, were you "caught between" genders physically as i've heard some people can be? Or were you mentally not feeling like a man?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ModestMouse]
#23576070 - 08/25/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm not sure I understand the question.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23576085 - 08/25/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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So you're undergoing a sex change correct?
What spurred the decision?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ModestMouse]
#23576103 - 08/25/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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More reasons than I could possibly list, many of them exquisitely personal. But an anonymous troll in the romp actually summed it up pretty well the other day, I was surprised by their insight considering they were ostensibly antagonizing me. They said that they recently removed a splinter and that it felt really good to get it out, asked if it felt the same way. It does.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23576112 - 08/25/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't understand it, but I suppose that doesn't matter.
Some things are not so easily understood
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ModestMouse]
#23576127 - 08/25/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Either way I hope you find your equilibrium sophistic 
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: spirit_shadow]
#23576137 - 08/25/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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What spurred my decision? I've wanted to be female for as long as I can remember. Does it have to be more complex than that?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
#23576161 - 08/25/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think the origin of "want" is more of the question.
Everything people do has a motive behind it, I have trouble identifying the motive of a sex change.. because no one has ever explained it succinctly to me.
It doesn't matter. I don't need to understand...
it's just always escaped me. I guess it must be one of those "you had to be there" things, where only the people who do it can understand the reasoning.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ModestMouse]
#23576181 - 08/25/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I remember a dream that really haunts me to this day that I had when I was just a kid. I walked outside and there was a pool and my mom and sister were in it and they were mermaid princesses, I wanted to be one too and everyone laughed at me because I was a boy.
There's plenty of others stuff also, but I think that was my earliest memory of gender dysphoria.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
#23576189 - 08/25/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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fair enough
That didn't clarify it for me but i'm glad we live in an age where people who don't feel comfortable in their default gender can change.
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#23576197 - 08/25/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I see a therapist for two hours every week.
You don't know shit about me or my life or my health. Fuck off with your fake concern.
Just because I don't like you doesn't mean I would rather you fuck yourself up physically because of what many trans people even admit is a mental illness. Do you deny the high rate of suicide among post-op transsexuals? What I really hate is how things like this are starting to become normalized, if it keeps going there are going to be kids growing up not knowing who the fuck they are because of what they see being pushed in the media or even in their schools. It's gotten to the point where some parents are even giving their prepubescent children hormones because they "seem confused" about their gender identity.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Eminence] 1
#23576203 - 08/25/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Can you cite your suicide rate claim?
This stuff intrigues me. Most emerging alternative human behaviors do (homosexuality, transgender ops etc) because they often start occurring due to some sort of evolutionary driver IMO.
For instance I believe homosexuality is increasing among our species largely as an evolutionary answer to overpopulation.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Eminence] 1
#23576213 - 08/25/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Gender affirming treatments are proven to greatly reduce suicidality and improve functioning in people who suffer from gender dysphoria.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23576220 - 08/25/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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The suicide rate is so high because of intolerance, there I said it.
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#23576228 - 08/25/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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But that's part of the decision, surely.
If you decide to do something to modify your body people who see it are going to react in one way or another whether that be positive or negative. Regardless of whether that fact is upsetting, it's a fact and you'd be shortsighted not to take that into the equation.
If I pierced my tongue like a snake because I always felt more like a snake-tongued mouse than a regular mouse i'd have to first come to the realization that I'd be judged on it at most turns. That realization would play atleast a small part in my decision to go through with my urge or not.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ModestMouse]
#23576238 - 08/25/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, you dont get it. But thats ok, you couldn't be expected to get it like I said it's really personal.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
#23576245 - 08/25/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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The suicide rate is so high because of intolerance, there I said it.
On the flip side one could argue that their will was not sufficient....good thing im not one to argue lol so do your thing to the max and dont let anyone stop you guys...er....girls....idk how any of this works but  anyway
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ModestMouse]
#23576263 - 08/25/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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But that's part of the decision, surely.
If you decide to do something to modify your body people who see it are going to react in one way or another whether that be positive or negative. Regardless of whether that fact is upsetting, it's a fact and you'd be shortsighted not to take that into the equation.
If I pierced my tongue like a snake because I always felt more like a snake-tongued mouse than a regular mouse i'd have to first come to the realization that I'd be judged on it at most turns. That realization would play atleast a small part in my decision to go through with my urge or not.
But my alternate option is to hide away in my apt on disabillity pretending to be happy being cis till I go full Cobain. Only two options that I would choose. Which sounds better?
I plan to be very open about the fact that I'm trans, and if that's a problem for some people, then that's THEIR problem not mine. I don't care about those people, same as how you don't care about trans people.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
#23576267 - 08/25/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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You assert that I don't care about trans people.
Can you back that up at all, or are you just overreacting to my curiosity because it makes you uncomfortable to be questioned about the decision?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ModestMouse]
#23576270 - 08/25/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh, I didn't mean you.
You were the last person to post when I typed my response that's why my post says it's in response to you.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
#23576274 - 08/25/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I believe you mean Eminence.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23576283 - 08/25/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23576293 - 08/25/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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If that was directed at me you mistake. I care about this community. Just because I dont understand someone does not mean I automatically hate them.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: spirit_shadow]
#23576301 - 08/25/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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It' only directed at those who don't care.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
#23576308 - 08/25/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I see a therapist for two hours every week.
You don't know shit about me or my life or my health. Fuck off with your fake concern.
Just because I don't like you doesn't mean I would rather you fuck yourself up physically because of what many trans people even admit is a mental illness. Do you deny the high rate of suicide among post-op transsexuals? What I really hate is how things like this are starting to become normalized, if it keeps going there are going to be kids growing up not knowing who the fuck they are because of what they see being pushed in the media or even in their schools. It's gotten to the point where some parents are even giving their prepubescent children hormones because they "seem confused" about their gender identity.
It needs to be normalized, because it is normal; souls don't have genders. If you consider yourself fully a man or fully a women you obviously aren't very connected with where you have been and where you are going. I'm going to stop now at risk of ranting.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: K-9 Unit]
#23576829 - 08/25/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Using hormones from the opposite sex and mutilating your genitals is not normal. Souls don't have genders I guess, if you believe in souls, but humans do.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Eminence]
#23576926 - 08/25/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Using hormones from the opposite sex and mutilating your genitals is not normal. Souls don't have genders I guess, if you believe in souls, but humans do.
Using chemicals that cause hallucination isn't normal. I NEVER wanted to be normal and I'm not. I'm not cool and I never wanted to be.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
#23576954 - 08/25/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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There's easier ways to be uncool
Buy a My little pony tshirt at hot topic or some shit, save your dick from the scissors.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go] 1
#23576961 - 08/25/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Welcome to the future
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Connoisseur]
#23576977 - 08/25/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Men taking estrogen to pretend their fantisy in their head is reality is increadably dangerous.
we shut down all the mentalhealth facilities and try to integrate mental disorders into the new defentition of 'normal'
Doctors should not be allowed to preform these procedures. They wont chop off an arm, which is harmless in the long term, for people with that particular mental disorder
I think its a very fair comparison
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23576993 - 08/25/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think its an individuals right to have his body altered if he or she so chooses, that being said I would never participate in body modification surgery of any kind. My spiritual beliefs just dont match up with that kind of thing.
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#23577004 - 08/25/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Men taking estrogen to pretend their fantisy in their head is reality is increadably dangerous.
we shut down all the mentalhealth facilities and try to integrate mental disorders into the new defentition of 'normal'
Doctors should not be allowed to preform these procedures. They wont chop off an arm, which is harmless in the long term, for people with that particular mental disorder
I think its a very fair comparison
Yeah, but that's just ur opinion, man... And a very ill informed one, at that.
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#23577017 - 08/25/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sure, whatever, people do what they want to themselves ultimately. But talking about it like its just some mundane thing and aiming to make it mainstream so it ends up getting into childrens' heads when they're too young to know any better is a different thing. If I were a surgeon I wouldn't be performing that kind of procedure though.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: koods]
#23577033 - 08/25/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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It isnt a doctors obligation to do so. Its a mentally ill person, so they cant consent. You only perceve them as adult. The very action of persuing this modification is the equivilent of self harm
I know I may sound like an intolorant jerk, but if we come here one day and soph did develope cancer, which would be everywhere by the time they caught it. Estrogen is going everywhere in a body not genetically made for that. By the time the cancer is caught, it will be in the bones and incurable.
Its horrifying, and these doctors are coplicit pieces of shit. They deserve to be locked in prison for what they are doing.Quote:
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Men taking estrogen to pretend their fantisy in their head is reality is increadably dangerous.
we shut down all the mentalhealth facilities and try to integrate mental disorders into the new defentition of 'normal'
Doctors should not be allowed to preform these procedures. They wont chop off an arm, which is harmless in the long term, for people with that particular mental disorder
I think its a very fair comparison
Yeah, but that's just ur opinion, man... And a very ill informed one, at that.
whenever facts are around, people with garbage points of view shout 'opinion'
No dctor will cut off an arm, or a finger, to fix that mental disorder. I forget the name, google it if you must.
Loosing an arrm or leg is competely survivable. YYou arent taking doses of sex hormones afterward for a surgery that doesnt even curb the suicide rate, at all.
Its against the Hipocratic Oath, and these doctors are perverse evil people. The ones doing the devils work always seem to think they are the rightious ones
I dont mean devil religiously, just as a metaphor for the harm they are causing
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Eminence]
#23577036 - 08/25/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sure, whatever, people do what they want to themselves ultimately. But talking about it like its just some mundane thing and aiming to make it mainstream so it ends up getting into childrens' heads when they're too young to know any better is a different thing. If I were a surgeon I wouldn't be performing that kind of procedure though.
I don't think it is treated like some mundane thing when someone is considering these decisions. It probably involves an insane amount of deliberation by medical professionals.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Eminence]
#23577037 - 08/25/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sure, whatever, people do what they want to themselves ultimately. But talking about it like its just some mundane thing and aiming to make it mainstream so it ends up getting into childrens' heads when they're too young to know any better is a different thing. If I were a surgeon I wouldn't be performing that kind of procedure though.
It shouldn't be "mainstream" per say, but for those who experience gender dysphoria treatment should be made available, which it is, but I'd like to see it more so. I shouldn't have to talk to a shrink to get estrogen or testosterone blockers. I should be able to order that off amazon. I should also be able to order LSD off amazon. If we were truly free.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
#23577047 - 08/25/16 06:02 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lol, mental disorder.. I like to believe Terence Mckenna's stance on mental illness.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23577054 - 08/25/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, it is definitely an opinion, and it's not really a subject where your opinion has much value. You don't know anything about the issue aside from what you've read online and from TV and political discussion. I'm gonna assume you have no medical training, nor academic understanding of human sexuality. Am I right?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: koods]
#23577082 - 08/25/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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To be fair though, neither do you, do you? Yours is just an opinion like that retarded guy's.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: John Nada]
#23577087 - 08/25/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wow, you go straight for the logical fallacies
It isnt hard to understand. Taking estrogen causes cancer, flipping your genitals inside out doesnt make you a women or give you a vagina, just a high up open wound
They are giving a pointless surgery to desperate people.
Im not going to validate you being a cunt about my lack of formal education with a response
If it wasn't so obviously dangerous, against the Hippocratic oath, dont to people who obviously cant consent, and doesnt curb the suicide rate, because these people have a real severe mental disorder, Id be all for it.
It isnt a moral stance. Id rather these people learn to accept who they are, like hidious people have to learn to accept who they are. Life isnt fair.
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To be fair though, neither do you, do you? Yours is just an opinion like that retarded guy's.
Night Court i retarded, you bitch
no, Night Court is ok
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: John Nada]
#23577093 - 08/25/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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What do you guys think causes someone to be born one sex when they are "supposed" to be another?
I dont know much of anything about being transgender and dont really understand how its possible but truth is stranger than fiction.
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You're just super stoked about it now, it's funny is all. Enjoy.
Thread delivers
Unfortunately, we still have a long way to go from here. Psychonautica must be spinning in his grave to see us celebrating while even more marginalized genders continue to languish in obscurity. There can be no justice and no peace until Doctor and Zorbian gender markers are made available
How many genders are there? Is there one fornpeople like me who can't fall asleep that well at night, but sometimes i do?
They should make a different gender for people who get along with each common household pet, but not in a sexual way, better than they get along with people.
Hey sophistic, i found the answer to my Question. Do you know how many genders there are?
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/02/heres-a-list-of-58-gender-options-for-facebook-users/
58 apparently. Can you name all them off the top of your head? Or are you in the group of people who keeps offending everyone by calling them the wrong gender?
Man, i can't wait to see what the newest gender of 2017 will be. I bet it'll be a color changing one. That would be the best. You could accesirize your gender identity based on your mood of any given day.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Connoisseur]
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What do you guys think causes someone to be born one sex when they are "supposed" to be another?
I dont know much of anything about being transgender and dont really understand how its possible but truth is stranger than fiction.
Orgones, and karmic radiation shifts in personal chi brah.
Yesterday i was a mere twink, but today i have decided i have been a closeted power bottom my whole life, that identifies as a weight lifter, with a brown fedora that likes to say "sup" a lot.
Not in a gay way either. Sexuality is a whole other discussion.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
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I feel like there should be a certain requirement of number of psychedelic trips you've taken to be able to be a politician. Social reform at it's best.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
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I was watching this show on the television, and this lady wanted to be blind.
she was talking about a forum where her and a bunch of others would talk about "blindsimming?"
she ended up having Drano poured into her eyes
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What do you guys think causes someone to be born one sex when they are "supposed" to be another?
I dont know much of anything about being transgender and dont really understand how its possible but truth is stranger than fiction.
AFAIK it's an issue with brain chemistry and wiring. Males and females have different bodies, with different hormonal sensitivities. In gender dysphoria, there is no harmony among these systems. The body feels like it's not yours and the naturally produced hormones act like a neurotoxin.
Removing a splinter is a good analogy not just for the snip snip but for the hormonal impact as well. Before I transitioned, my face was masculine. It had fatty deposits around the eyes and mouth that prevented me from expressing my emotions naturally, it felt like they were stuck. Something as basic as smiling felt horribly unnatural. Everything felt unnatural. My range of expression was impossibly limited and I learned to accept that I was incapable of expressing my emotions.
The psychological implications of having the wrong hormone levels are even worse. Not being able to express my emotions is bad, but not even being able to feel them is worse. They were there, but I couldn't feel them, they might as well have been on another planet controlling me remotely, unseen. Everything felt wrong and unnatural from within. You can't feel the things you need to feel and you are overwhelmed with grotesque sensations, the impulses of a stranger. The discomfort is relentless, there is no escape. Only hard drugs can provide some temporary respite. Social and emotional withdrawal, dissociation and suicidality become inevitable as the years of agony grind on.
People don't understand that gender dysphoria isn't some passing whim, or curiosity or obsession with being like the opposite sex. Its a physical problem and the cause of a very real, often fatal mental health crisis that can only be resolved by transitioning. The people here who think that transitioning would worsen one's psychological condition are so ignorant of what trans people are actually like and what we have been through and what really motivates us to change, that it is impossible to know where to begin.
Honestly, it's hard for me to read a lot of the responses in here. I have been healing, but I have PTSD surrounding the life of torment that I used to lead. I'm sure jokes about "TRIGGERED!!!" are funny when you're not living with PTSD, but some of us are affected in very negative ways by the carelessness and lack of compassion that is typical here.
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I really hope the triggering things subside. I know how that feels. I accidentally triggered someone in the hospital. I didn't even know it until she spoke of it when we were in a group thing. She didn't blame me or anything but it bothered her because she struggled with it. I somehow knew it was me instantly after she mentioned it and we both cried and hugged it out. They made us split up tho bc no contact and I think also bc she was a lesbian. Heh.
But tell me if I trigger you. Seriously.
And it will get better. The things that used to bother me don't really when it gets brought up in conversation. Sometimes the best thing is talking about it almost nonchalantly, which I always thought was weird. But I mean.... first with loved ones and whatnot.
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Yeah, talking about it nonchalantly is something that I originally tried to do here, and that didn't go well for me at all. I got triggered so fucking hard here. But that was earlier in my transition. The more time passes, the more distance I feel from the trauma, and the better I get at withstanding triggers and with keeping things to myself but speaking up when the time is right.
I've said it elsewhere but it bears repeating, I'm very lucky. I have a lot of support in my life. People who attend to my emotions and work to keep me stable when I'm not able to keep myself stable. Most people don't have this kind of support and I shudder to think what would have become of me if I ever couldn't count on my family to forgive me and to be there for me. Most trans people become estranged from their families. I have no idea how they survive, but rest assured I am awestruck by those who do.
I guess I was almost triggered by a post you made in the romp recently? where you said that trans women aren't totally women because we weren't born as female. I wish I could have been born whole, but I wasn't, and it's likely that I will never be whole. But I am a woman, completely a woman. Men and women aren't born men or women; they are born as babies, and the world makes them into men and women. I was born with male anatomy and female neuroanatomy, and even as a small child, as far back as I can remember, the people I compared myself to were always girls and women, and I aspired to become a great woman when I grew up. But I wasn't hurt or really triggered by what you said, because you respected the authenticity of transitioning. That is such a big deal.
The responses from this thread that trigger me are mostly from specialpeopleclub but also Eminence. They think I'm deluded. They think I'm making things worse for myself by transitioning. They think that people who are suffering from gender dysphoria, from that horrible life of dissociation and withdrawal, deserve to be forced to live like that, should be forced to live and die sick when a cure exists, because the cure makes them, as people who don't need it, uncomfortable. They believe that children deserve to be forced to live like that. It terrifies me to read that shit. They have no idea what they're saying, that's all I can say to make my peace with it.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Oh man. I was not trying to really say that because I was mostly thinking in terms of growing up as female. From baby to adult. There are specific things that you just wouldn't know and that is fine. Just like I couldn't say how it would be like growing up as a male, lesbian, gay or transgender. It was more about the realism of growing up to me. But adulthood is different and once you turn into another gender you do live that life and you do have a say. Like I said it was really tricky for me but I wanted to be honest.
As for the whole delusion thing I do believe there is a movement where it is growing that belief and I do worry about the childrens lives affected. I worry about the confusion growing up of questioning what they want. But I would not know how to deal with that. And there is a high suicide rate affected by transitioning for some people due to different reasons. But I am glad to see there are transitioning or transistioned shroomerites here that have been entirely happy with their choices.
I trust the sincerity and belief for those who continue to attempt such a transition in adulthood and who are positively changed to live their own lives that way. I just always had this thought that everyone is beautiful the way they are. But if you know this to be right for yourself you are still beautiful no matter what.
I am so happy you have had support!! One thing I wish I had was more support for my choices but c'est la vie. I realized after the fact I only wanted certain peoples support and instead focused more on the actual people supporting me.
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What do you guys think causes someone to be born one sex when they are "supposed" to be another?
I dont know much of anything about being transgender and dont really understand how its possible but truth is stranger than fiction.
AFAIK it's an issue with brain chemistry and wiring. Males and females have different bodies, with different hormonal sensitivities. In gender dysphoria, there is no harmony among these systems. The body feels like it's not yours and the naturally produced hormones act like a neurotoxin.
Removing a splinter is a good analogy not just for the snip snip but for the hormonal impact as well. Before I transitioned, my face was masculine. It had fatty deposits around the eyes and mouth that prevented me from expressing my emotions naturally, it felt like they were stuck. Something as basic as smiling felt horribly unnatural. Everything felt unnatural. My range of expression was impossibly limited and I learned to accept that I was incapable of expressing my emotions.
The psychological implications of having the wrong hormone levels are even worse. Not being able to express my emotions is bad, but not even being able to feel them is worse. They were there, but I couldn't feel them, they might as well have been on another planet controlling me remotely, unseen. Everything felt wrong and unnatural from within. You can't feel the things you need to feel and you are overwhelmed with grotesque sensations, the impulses of a stranger. The discomfort is relentless, there is no escape. Only hard drugs can provide some temporary respite. Social and emotional withdrawal, dissociation and suicidality become inevitable as the years of agony grind on.
People don't understand that gender dysphoria isn't some passing whim, or curiosity or obsession with being like the opposite sex. Its a physical problem and the cause of a very real, often fatal mental health crisis that can only be resolved by transitioning. The people here who think that transitioning would worsen one's psychological condition are so ignorant of what trans people are actually like and what we have been through and what really motivates us to change, that it is impossible to know where to begin.
Honestly, it's hard for me to read a lot of the responses in here. I have been healing, but I have PTSD surrounding the life of torment that I used to lead. I'm sure jokes about "TRIGGERED!!!" are funny when you're not living with PTSD, but some of us are affected in very negative ways by the carelessness and lack of compassion that is typical here.
Can you explain how under these pretenses the bodies natural hormones act like a neurotoxin?
Also are you implying that it can be scientifcaly proven that an individual is born the "wrong" sex due to the fact that they may have "fatty deposits around the eyes and mouth that prevented them from expressing their emotions naturally" or possibly by any other physical analysis of the persons body?
Do these fatty deposits not occur in men born psychologically as men?
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Caveat emptor, I'm not sure how much longer I can keep answering questions like these.
Pachoo, the suicide rate for people who are suffering from the clinical markers of gender dysphoria is vastly reduced by transitioning. But I understood what you meant about growing up female, and I meant to say that I did grow up female, albeit a female who is infertile and never had a single period and was forced by circumstances to pretend to be male, but a female nonetheless. I don't know how to address the childhood issue. I just know that I was in hell as soon as my natural hormones kicked in, and that was in my early teens. I wish my parents could have recognized my gender issues and put me on puberty blockers until I was old enough to make the decision to go on female hormones and transition for myself, it would have spared me so much trauma and so many years lost to abject misery. That is the general practice in the Netherlands and the results have been positive. But things are different in the Netherlands, they don't have the same issues with access to medical care and psychotherapy. I recognize that this is very fraught territory and I'm not interested in "advocating", at this point. At this point I believe that those parents who support and accept their adult children's decision to transition are the best kind of parents. I know that kids go through all sorts of "phases" and should be protected from the harmful consequences of their own immature choices, and most American families can't provide the extensive therapy that would be necessary to provide this sort of treatment where it's needed and withhold it where it's not.
Connoisseur, all adult biological males have these fatty deposits around their eyes and mouths, and the vast majority don't feel limited by it. When I got on hormones, I had no idea that it would free up my eyes and mouth to express my emotions properly. I had no idea about most of the benefits that I've reaped from transitioning. It's gone far better than I'd hoped or planned for, honestly. When I was in dysphoria, there were several things I knew: my body felt wrong, I was missing feelings that I needed to have, I couldn't express those feelings I did have naturally, I was having lots of feelings that were totally unnatural and foreign to me, and I was constantly drenched in grossness (ie male sweat). And my dick was constantly inflamed. I don't think men usually experience their constantly chubby dicks as "inflamed", but the relief I felt upon having my dick go totally soft after starting HRT goes back to that splinter analogy. A tremendous discomfort was removed from between my legs and replaced with a sense of ease and freedom. I am guessing that most males don't feel that way when their dick goes soft. AFAIK gender dysphoria is a neurological issue that has innumerable negative consequences for the people who suffer from it. It's like I said: there is no way I could ever compose an exhaustive list of the reasons why I'm transitioning. It could go on forever.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Many people feel unnatural in their bodies or minds thats not uncommon for many people who far and wide are mostly not trans.
When you say your dick was "inflamed" do you mean you had an erection?
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No, I mean that the softest it could get wasn't soft enough for me to feel comfortable. It felt itchy and swollen even when it was totally flaccid. Like your face feels when you're having an allergic reaction to pollen. It does NOT feel that way anymore.
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That sounds painful 
Did you have it looked at by a doctor?
Sorry to ask such personal questions im just interested in hearing what medical professionals have told you about all this.
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I had no detectable physical or endocrine issue. I was physically a very healthy kid and young adult with shitloads of anxiety that seemed to come out of nowhere.
My body is not wired to anticipate a constantly swollen dick. It was a constant intrusion upon my thoughts, an incessant bother. It's normal for men's dicks to be like this, and most of them don't seem to have such an issue with it. For me, it was insufferable.
Once again, this is just one of very, very many issues that has been cleared up for me since starting hormones, but I feel like it makes a pretty strong example for making my case that I was not driven to transition by psychological reasons. I really get the impression that there is some sort of neurological issue at play, and that is the current medical consensus as well.
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Caveat emptor, I'm not sure how much longer I can keep answering questions like these.
For what it's worth I appreciate your being so open and honest in your past few posts. I know it may be difficult and frustrating to feel like you're obligated to discuss these personal matters and be some sort of spokesperson for trans-gendered individuals. But for people who are generally empathetic but don't have first-hand experience with the difficulties faced by trans individuals, it's useful and elucidating to hear you explain it from your own point of view.
Personally I'm not sure why some people are so concerned with what's going on in your pants or your endocrine system. I find it kind of creepy.
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Speaking personally my dick is never itchy and swollen unless there is something wrong with it.
I can assure you its not normal at all for a penis to feel such a way.
If someone told me their dick felt itchy and swollen when it was flacid I would tell them to seek medical attention and if no medical issue could be identified that would definitely raise some questions.
If you can site where you heard that the bodies natural hormones act as neuro toxins under the circumstances you described above I would love to see that since endogenous chemistry and pharmacology are very interesting to me.
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Caveat emptor, I'm not sure how much longer I can keep answering questions like these.
For what it's worth I appreciate your being so open and honest in your past few posts. I know it may be difficult and frustrating to feel like you're obligated to discuss these personal matters and be some sort of spokesperson for trans-gendered individuals. But for people who are generally empathetic but don't have first-hand experience with the difficulties faced by trans individuals, it's useful and elucidating to hear you explain it from your own point of view.
Personally I'm not sure why some people are so concerned with what's going on in your pants or your endocrine system. I find it kind of creepy.
For clarity im asking these questions to get a better understanding of what the experience of being a transexual is like and while I can understand that soph is one individual shes the one coming forward to answer questions that im really directing at anyone willing to share their experience.
I really dont know barely anything about this topic but being an open minded individual im interesting to be educated.
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Caveat emptor, I'm not sure how much longer I can keep answering questions like these.
For what it's worth I appreciate your being so open and honest in your past few posts. I know it may be difficult and frustrating to feel like you're obligated to discuss these personal matters and be some sort of spokesperson for trans-gendered individuals. But for people who are generally empathetic but don't have first-hand experience with the difficulties faced by trans individuals, it's useful and elucidating to hear you explain it from your own point of view.
Personally I'm not sure why some people are so concerned with what's going on in your pants or your endocrine system. I find it kind of creepy.
Thanks Ythan, it means a lot to me, especially after some of our previous interactions. There's no rulebook for discussing this sort of thing, so I've had to figure it all out ad-hoc. I'm very grateful for the the forbearance that you and this community have shown me as I've worked to figure out the best way to approach the subject. You know as well as I do that I've made a lot of mistakes.
There are definitely some creepy fuckers around here though.
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Speaking personally my dick is never itchy and swollen unless there is something wrong with it.
I can assure you its not normal at all for a penis to feel such a way.
If someone told me their dick felt itchy and swollen when it was flacid I would tell them to seek medical attention and if no medical issue could be identified that would definitely raise some questions.
If you can site where you heard that the bodies natural hormones act as neuro toxins under the circumstances you described above I would love to see that since endogenous chemistry and pharmacology are very interesting to me.
I don't have any proof that they directly act as neurotoxins in the cellular biological sense, I just know that I was under tremendous psychological stress dealing with it, as most trans people are, and that stress is bad for the brain in the cellular biological sense.
I would show you some hard evidence if I could, but there is pretty much no research available on the neuroscience of gender dysphoria. It just hasn't been done. There is ample evidence that gender dysphoria is alleviated by transition and that people who suffer from it are happier and healthier after transition, but that is as deep as the research goes. There isn't really any money in figuring it out at the neuroscientific level. Trans people are a tiny segment of the population; HRT drugs have been around for more than long enough to have their patents expire, and they can't really be improved upon. They are just about as good as they could possibly get. The problems that exist for trans people aren't pharmacological. The real challenges are social, economic, and political.
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Soph is alright, handeling all this pretty gracefully
just want her around a long time
if the surgery actualy helps you, great
it would be nice if it helped more people
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Ahh, brain chemistry and wiring. Man, brain chemistry and wiring sure is to blame for a lot these days huh?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
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Sure is, and society and its many implications are often the driving factor(s) in what causes the brain to wire itself in the ways that it does.
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Dude Soph has answered shit like a champ, even if it did spike her anxiety. I hope I wasn't too intrusive.
Thanks lady.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
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This makes me curious about something else. Do transexuals have their own standards of what they consider going too far? Like the woman mentioned that wanted to be blind so she poured bleach in her eyes? Or that middle aged man that wanted to be a female, but took it a step further to specifically become an 8 year old girl?
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This makes me curious about something else. Do transexuals have their own standards of what they consider going too far? Like the woman mentioned that wanted to be blind so she poured bleach in her eyes? Or that middle aged man that wanted to be a female, but took it a step further to specifically become an 8 year old girl?
I think the woman who became a child ws just a fetish role playing moron. It was 6, actually
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I dont think its scientifically possible for a middle aged person to become 8 years old again.
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Well obviously. Until gene alteration is possible it won't be possible to truly become the opposite sex either though.
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This makes me curious about something else. Do transexuals have their own standards of what they consider going too far? Like the woman mentioned that wanted to be blind so she poured bleach in her eyes? Or that middle aged man that wanted to be a female, but took it a step further to specifically become an 8 year old girl?
I think the woman who became a child ws just a fetish role playing moron. It was 6, actually
Didn't he leave his wife because of it?
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Men and women aren't born men or women; they are born as babies, and the world makes them into men and women. I was born with male anatomy and female neuroanatomy,
This doesn't make logical sense. You say that we are born babies and that the world makes us men and women, and in the next sentence say you were born with female neuroanatomy. Which is it? Were you born a blank slate and the world turned you into a woman or were born a woman?
How does the world manage to turn most people born with female and male anatomy into the gender that matches and a few not? How can you claim gender is a social construct (I think you've said this, maybe not) yet claim that trans people are born with neuroanatomy not matching their anatomy?
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Gad Saad may have something to say about blank slates
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#23578086 - 08/25/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have something to say about your mom's blank slate.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
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I don't believe in blank slates.
"Men" and "women" are words which refer to the identities, shaped by upbringing and culture and individual experiences, of mature persons.
"Male" and "female" are words which describe anatomy with no regard to identity or personhood.
Most men have male anatomy, most women have female anatomy. But there are exceptions and complications. I am a person who was born with male anatomy and female neuroanatomy, who matured into a woman with female anatomy. I'm sorry if that's confusing, but I am what I am.
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I don't believe in blank slates.
"Men" and "women" are words which refer to the identities, shaped by upbringing and culture and individual experiences, of mature persons.
"Male" and "female" are words which describe anatomy with no regard to identity or personhood.
Most men have male anatomy, most women have female anatomy. But there are exceptions and complications. I am a person who was born with male anatomy and female neuroanatomy, who matured into a woman with female anatomy. I'm sorry if that's confusing, but I am what I am.
Meee too.
Also, I don't get why people are so "open to possiblities"
yet consider it impossible for nature to make this kind of variation
and it "must be a mental illness"
Transgenderism is a completely logical mutatition that would occur
I'd rather be trans than have hard aspergers!
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Apollyphelion]
#23578121 - 08/25/16 11:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Honestly my ADHD gives me far more trouble than my gender issues do these days
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Apollyphelion]
#23578130 - 08/25/16 11:34 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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But if it weren't a mental illness, people wouldn't feel the need to try to change their sex to feel comfortable in their own skin, right?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Eminence]
#23578133 - 08/25/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 1
#23578135 - 08/25/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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on a positive note
the amount of positivity i am reciving on tinychat
a webcam chat site
is CRAZY
There are very few people who are "against it" and
they always come across as ignorant or uneducated
I was getting ready to have nobody love me
and like everybody loves me MORE almost
Even had straight cis men telling me how good I'll look when
I'm done.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23578162 - 08/25/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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wrong
So nature just somehow knows that sex changes are a thing now or something? How is feeling like you were born in the wrong body and feeling depressed until you get a sex change not a mental illness? That doesn't make any sense
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Apollyphelion]
#23578166 - 08/25/16 11:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm excited for you Polly It's such a wonderful feeling to grow into yourself and to be seen by the world for who you are. I feel blessed to have this rebirth after what came before. We live blessed lives to be able to do this.
Fair warning: after a couple years of HRT, you'll likely have had enough of hetero male attention for one lifetime, around the time they start getting really aggressive about it
Hey, are you more attracted to men or women, or both equally? No need to answer, just curious.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23578168 - 08/25/16 11:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Still doesn't make logical sense. You are drawing a distinction between neuroanatomy and body anatomy. It's obvious you are implying that gender identity follows neuroanatomy in which case it can't be a social construct.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Eminence]
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So nature just somehow knows that sex changes are a thing now or something? How is feeling like you were born in the wrong body and feeling depressed until you get a sex change not a mental illness? That doesn't make any sense
Physical problems cause mental illnesses all the time. I have a friend who had a herniated disc in her spine, experienced constant excruciating pain for about a year. She became depressed before she got it treated. Now that it's been treated, she's still depressed, but slowly getting better. There's no doubt that her depression-- a mental illness-- stemmed from the physical problem.
It's the same with gender dysphoria.
I can tell you all about how much happier and healthier I am now than I was a couple years ago when I was pre-transition, and how I'm continuing to get better. But you'll probably not take me seriously anyway, so why bother.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23578184 - 08/25/16 11:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I dont believe that being born of a gender other than that which you mentally identify with is a disease but according to people who believe addiction is a disease they justify this by saying that being addicted to a substance puts an individual in a state of DIS-ease because its a hindrance on the individuals existence. The addiction puts them in a state of DISease.
By this same logic being born into the body of a gender that you find to be discomforting and depressive since you mentally identify with the opposite sex puts that individual in a state of DIS-ease.
I want to make it clear this is NOT what I personally believe at all when it comes to both addiction and transexuality but im just pointing out many people believe this is what the definition of a disease is.
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I'm excited for you Polly It's such a wonderful feeling to grow into yourself and to be seen by the world for who you are. I feel blessed to have this rebirth after what came before. We live blessed lives to be able to do this.
Fair warning: after a couple years of HRT, you'll likely have had enough of hetero male attention for one lifetime, around the time they start getting really aggressive about it
Hey, are you more attracted to men or women, or both equally? No need to answer, just curious.
Both equally sexually, but not romanitcally, and I never wanted to DATE a guy. I am married to a woman
and we now have a coven!
I've been on the webcam site for almost 3 years
and I never really was presenting as a male on there that much
so at least online I am DEF used to men hitting on me
I've had people call me a tranny in a negative way
and act a bit disdainful towards it,
and when they know I won't take their bullshit
they start to holla at me!
So bizarre.
but man I have so many PM's I gotta close nowadays.
Also, I feel the webcam chat is an important pillar of development:
it allows me to hear my name, Allison, out loud on the reg
and practice taking real time bigotry and bullshit
and plus you can't get beat up!
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#23578199 - 08/26/16 12:00 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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A spine issue isn't comparable to gender dysphoria though. Having back problems is physical, gender dysphoria is mental. Your body is there from the time you're born, your ability to think about things like gender don't come until way later.
If you're happier then that's cool, but I still think your stance on giving kids hormones is just completely wrong
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Connoisseur]
#23578204 - 08/26/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oof. Okay, yeah, I'm done for the night. I might come back to this tomorrow night but for now I need to relax so I can get some restful sleep. I've got shit to do tomorrow morning.
Thanks for accommodating me and hearing me, pachoo and Connoisseur and Ythan and specialpeopleclub. I really appreciate it. Sorry I couldn't satisfy your expectations for my logic, clock_of_omens. I'll give it another go some other time.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Apollyphelion]
#23578225 - 08/26/16 12:13 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm excited for you Polly It's such a wonderful feeling to grow into yourself and to be seen by the world for who you are. I feel blessed to have this rebirth after what came before. We live blessed lives to be able to do this.
Fair warning: after a couple years of HRT, you'll likely have had enough of hetero male attention for one lifetime, around the time they start getting really aggressive about it
Hey, are you more attracted to men or women, or both equally? No need to answer, just curious.
Both equally sexually, but not romanitcally, and I never wanted to DATE a guy. I am married to a woman
and we now have a coven!
I've been on the webcam site for almost 3 years
and I never really was presenting as a male on there that much
so at least online I am DEF used to men hitting on me
I've had people call me a tranny in a negative way
and act a bit disdainful towards it,
and when they know I won't take their bullshit
they start to holla at me!
So bizarre.
but man I have so many PM's I gotta close nowadays.
Also, I feel the webcam chat is an important pillar of development:
it allows me to hear my name, Allison, out loud on the reg
and practice taking real time bigotry and bullshit
and plus you can't get beat up!
I'm the same way, bisexual but homoromantic. I'll fuck around with dudes but I'll be surprised if I end up settling down with one. I actually think I might want to just date trans women exclusively. Cis men tend to be chasers (ie they like you for being a chick with a dick and not for who you are) and cis women tend to get jealous of your legs for days and play gender police and try to school you on how to be a "real woman". Since they would obviously know better, right? 
Get ready for the negging. If you're already getting hollas pre hormones, you're in for a ton of perversely negative attention from cis-het dudes in the near future.
You should  me sometime! I'm always down to make friends with other trans women 
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#23578231 - 08/26/16 12:19 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea, "cis women" would know more about being a woman, isn't that obvious? Lol. And wait, you always get on me if I mention patterns among races or religions, now you're talking about how "cis men" tend to be?  That's sexism to you isn't it?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Eminence]
#23578245 - 08/26/16 12:29 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea, "cis women" would know more about being a woman, isn't that obvious? Lol. And wait, you always get on me if I mention patterns among races or religions, now you're talking about how "cis men" tend to be? That's sexism to you isn't it?
Well, Cis-woman DO know more than me, but it depends on the woman. I don't wanna be a girly-girl/abercrombie type girl, so if a girl of that type would tell me what I'm doing wrong I might roll my eyes because she doesn't represent the type of woman I want to be. Cis-men do it with Cis-men too, for instance in my chat room you have cis men who take more pride in being smart than being at the gym so there is even arguing of the same sort among non-trans people. Just as there are many types of girls, there are many types of boys. It would be weird if a goth/punk girl gave criticism to a Abercrombie girl.
The only women who know more about being a girl than me, are the women who I want to emulate and inspire to. Same logic goes to men.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Eminence]
#23578246 - 08/26/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, cis women don't know how to be women better.
And I'm just describing my experiences. 9/10 times a cis dude is attracted to me, it has nothing to do with who I am as a person. If they don't know I'm trans it's all about my figure. If they do know I'm trans, it's all about a dick on that figure. And they tend to be really aggressive and not very sensitive. It's just not a good time for me. I was never that attracted to men in the first place, I've only been experimenting with them at all because they suddenly started paying so much attention to me, but I think it's a phase. It doesn't seem worth the trouble when I find women so much more attractive and relatable.
Cis women are hard to date too, they're usually just attracted to my angular features and the possibility of making me into the woman they couldn't be themselves for whatever reason. It's fucking weird, seriously.
I'm envious of Polly and Rose, they both have awesome ladies in their lives who have stuck with them through transition. I know I'll find my special lady someday, and ATM I'm pretty stoked on the idea of dating a particular trans woman who is tall and gorgeous and strong as hell.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 1
#23578248 - 08/26/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Let's go on webcam chat together, sometime, Sophie!
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Eminence]
#23578250 - 08/26/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Personally don't understand why I am the way I am, but I'm pretty sure it has a real biological cause. I have a cousin who also mtf. I have another cousin who's gay. Male femininity runs in the family.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
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I think hipsters will pick trams ironically,like when people put Loc, Jamacia or Amsterdam . Only person i know here from Amsterdam is Hans. Other then that great idea
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#23578275 - 08/26/16 12:56 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Are hipters even a thing anymore? I never understood how being a hipster works, so they do things ironically and that all they do. But if that's all they do they must really enjoy it right?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
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I dunno seems like there's always someone doing something ironic that absolutely should not be ironic. Hipsters are more then likely still around.
About the enjoyment I have no clue
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
#23578523 - 08/26/16 03:59 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Are hipters even a thing anymore? I never understood how being a hipster works, so they do things ironically and that all they do. But if that's all they do they must really enjoy it right?
In Berlin, I still see hipster lookin people everywhere,
however, fuck it
Hipsters are alright in my book
They help make neighborhoods nicer, bring in good food and drink
and are generally really open minded.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Apollyphelion]
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Same goes for cologne. Although there seem to be less than last year. The university seems to be their breeding ground.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23578802 - 08/26/16 07:26 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just for the record, I'm not arguing one way or the other on the whole trans issue nor saying that your being trans is what's illogical. I'm just saying given what you are saying about transexualism and the distinction you're making between neuro- and body anatomy, the idea that gender identity is a social construct makes no sense.
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I never argued that gender identity is solely a social construct. I'm not sure why you expect me to defend an argument that I never made in the first place, or why everybody else always does either... Its my understanding that gender identity has both a biological and a social component which are intertwined.
Anyway, I'd rather not continue this discussion, it makes me feel incredibly defensive. I'm sorry if you're not satisfied but I can't do any better for now.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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"Men" and "women" are words which refer to the identities, shaped by upbringing and culture and individual experiences, of mature persons.
"Male" and "female" are words which describe anatomy with no regard to identity or personhood.
This distinction would indicate otherwise, but whatever. Sorry that a discussion basically about nothing more than the philosophy of what gender is makes you defensive.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
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actually, it's simple. it's been explained a million times before. gender = values assigned grammatically to differentiate values between female and male values.
VALUES. not sexual organs. for example plants can have both male and female genitalia, yet if it's pollinating other plants, you can say that's definitely a male. if it's producing seeds, than definitely a female. the junk provided matters not to these given values, which persist regardless of what junk has been acquired.
no more arguing about stupid idiot shit now.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: K-9 Unit]
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Assigned by nature, right? Men and women have different sex organs obviously, but their brains are also wired to better fit different roles in society too.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
#23579229 - 08/26/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lol ok Akira, stop with the nonsense now. Humans and plants are not analogous, sorry. If we actually took your analogy seriously, you would have just shown that peole born with male sexual parts are definitely male as they are pollinating others so to speak. People born with female parts would be definitely female as they produce eggs. Why so transphobic AA?
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akira_akuma
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23579248 - 08/26/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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clock_of_omens said:
Lol ok Akira, stop with the nonsense now. Humans and plants are not analogous, sorry. If we actually took your analogy seriously, you would have just shown that peole born with male sexual parts are definitely male as they are pollinating others so to speak. People born with female parts would be definitely female as they produce eggs. Why so transphobic AA?
i, like gender, defined VALUES. not ANATOMY. try again. this time try warming up those braincells before you respond.
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Eminence said:
Assigned by nature, right? Men and women have different sex organs obviously, but their brains are also wired to better fit different roles in society too.
yeah the brain was created with "society" in mind.  do you ever listen to yourself?
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