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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23587276 - 08/28/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Irrelavent, reversable, obvious biological inscentives

implants /=/ genital mutalation. yo know that isnt actually a vagina or cock, right?



Understood, but I was getting at the performing surgeries to encourage delusions bit.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Ythan] * 5
    #23587301 - 08/28/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

There are people out there that are convinced their limbs don't belong to them... and want to get them chopped off. This is what you want? A society where mental disorders are supported by doctors with permanent physical life-changing consequences? Trendy amputations?
There is no conclusive evidence that sex change operations improves the lives of transsexuals short or long term despite there being studies going back some 40 years.
I mean sure, it's your body.... do whatever the fuck you want! But I don't think it should be sanctioned and encouraged by society / government as it is.
And most of us wouldn't really even care at all if they weren't CONSTANTLY talking about it and shoving it in your face. Silly me, I thought personal choices were supposed to be personal.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Ythan] * 1
    #23587314 - 08/28/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I really dont. I have my own nit nearly as significant problems and every day can be a struggle. Life isnt easy, at all. Its easy to sympathise with the suffering

If it works, thats great. Be fufilled. Regret is, by defenition, something that eludes forsight. If it wasnt, we would avoid it.

Id rather have sophie and others who suffer around for a while. a short life is never a good thing

I wouldnt want to have sex with a post op transexual, but that is irrelevent. People are more then sexual beings and I see alot of people judging others based on their sexual desirability, which is shallow and Id say completely evil. Alot of streightmen dont like seeing men doing romantic hings, for example, and think they can act out on their offence



I may sound like a jerk alot. In the end that last line in my signature is the truth though. Having a moral problem with a truely distressed and harmless person is a terrible way to be.

I feel my position makes me have to lay that out because its so asy to just be told you hate someone or have arnchair psychology used on you

Im only a quarter century, Im still developing my view. Even as i speak what I see as true i feel like a fool


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Shroomism]
    #23587323 - 08/28/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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And most of us wouldn't really even care at all if they weren't CONSTANTLY talking about it. I thought personal choices were supposed to be personal.



This.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Shroomism] * 1
    #23587326 - 08/28/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure. That's why I'm asking these questions. If someone is generally rational but they think their limb doesn't belong to them, and we don't have any way to address that delusion besides amputation, and it's causing them mental anguish, and there's no prospect for a cure, and the procedure is low-risk... what exactly makes it a bad thing? They'll be impaired from missing their hand? They're already impaired every day because they don't feel comfortable in their own body. Doctors take an oath to do no harm, but if the end result of this bizarre and controversial medical procedure is that someone can live a happy and fulfilling life, how can anyone object to that?


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Ythan]
    #23587329 - 08/28/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I get to keep the surplus arms for stew


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: California] * 1
    #23587332 - 08/28/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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And most of us wouldn't really even care at all if they weren't CONSTANTLY talking about it. I thought personal choices were supposed to be personal.



This.



I'm pretty sure most trans-gendered individuals would be happy to shut up and live their lives if people weren't constantly badgering them about their personal choices. But I'm sure there are outliers and yes, it's annoying and awkward when anyone wants to make their gender identity or sexuality a central topic of discussion. I feel like the trans-acceptance movement ignores the vast majority of people who really just don't care that much.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23587339 - 08/28/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

There's actually not much regret out there that I've seen. There is a very small proportion of people who regret it, which is blown up to massive proportions and passed off as typical, in order to support several right-wing causes. The proportion of people who regret it is too small to justify withholding treatment from the rest.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Ythan]
    #23587351 - 08/28/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

In medieval times they used to drill holes in people's skulls to "let the demons out"... how much have we advanced since then in the mental health field? Quite a bit.. but still a loong way to go.
I don't know about you but for me missing a whole functioning hand would be fucking devastating.
I don't think we should be allowing doctors to amputate people by choice, except maybe only in rare circumstances where it may actually be warranted, after TONS of therapy.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Ythan] * 1
    #23587364 - 08/28/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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And most of us wouldn't really even care at all if they weren't CONSTANTLY talking about it. I thought personal choices were supposed to be personal.



This.



I'm pretty sure most trans-gendered individuals would be happy to shut up and live their lives if people weren't constantly badgering them about their personal choices. But I'm sure there are outliers and yes, it's annoying and awkward when anyone wants to make their gender identity or sexuality a central topic of discussion. I feel like the trans-acceptance movement ignores the vast majority of people who really just don't care that much.



They couldn't be badgered if they didn't talk about it so much(I know I do not go around asking what anyone identifies as). They should have that right, that outlet, but it often, IME, becomes a primary thing that dominates all other things, and then nobody looks good.

I agree.  Somewhere between the transes, the haters, and the acceptors, are a large group of people that don't care either way and would rather talk about weed, Mac DeMarco, and tacos.  Things we all can enjoy and discuss without labeling ourselves or eachother.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Shroomism] * 2
    #23587369 - 08/28/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That's a reasonable opinion to have, but I feel like it's all based on the premise that transgendered individuals are inherently irrational and unable to comprehend the gravity of sexual reassignment. I'm not sure I agree with that. Most people I've talked to with gender dysphoria seem pretty intelligent and self-aware. You say people should be required to receive "tons of therapy" before gender reassignment would be an ethical option. That's kind of already the case. What kind of additional checks and balances do you think would be reasonable?


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: California] * 1
    #23587372 - 08/28/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

My views on transgender rights changed a lot after I mentally decoupled the social justice warriors from the cause du jour that they've latched on to.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Ythan] * 3
    #23587378 - 08/28/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Then that gets into the whole subject of the SJW movement and people who require triggers warnings upon trigger warnings that there might be a trigger warning and the word trigger might trigger someone. The society where every fucking thing you say can be taken as an offense. Protip: Nobody gives a fuck what you take offense to. People just want to live their fucking lives and not be bothered by other people telling them what to do/think/say all the fucking time.
If someone disagrees with you, great.. tough shit.. move on with life. If someone refers to you with the improper pronoun SO THE FUCK WHAT.. move on with your life.
Random strangers call my son a girl all the time, simply because he has long hair and most people assume long hair baby = girl on first impression.
Do I raise hell with them or rant about it and demand everyone refer to my son with the proper pronoun? No. have more important things to expend energy on.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Shroomism] * 6
    #23587388 - 08/28/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:shrug: Anecdotes are a dime a dozen. Back when I was a kid I sported a large fro and didn't have any facial hair, and people would mistake me for a woman sometimes. It was always awkward and uncomfortable.

But I feel like this would all make a lot more sense to me if everyone could agree that trans-rights should be a thing, but social justice warriors are annoying as shit, and they turn people off from their causes, and they really just need to shut the fuck up and fuck off already.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Ythan]
    #23587406 - 08/28/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Ythan]
    #23587448 - 08/28/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I agree everyone should just shut the fuck up and fuck off already and the world would be a much happier place! :laugh:


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Shroomism]
    #23587512 - 08/28/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

do SJW's even exist on the shroomery? i haven't seen anyone. just anti-feminists and the like.

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In medieval times they used to drill holes in people's skulls to "let the demons out"...


trepanning works, bro. demons feed on dirty blood, gotta get that blood flowing clean.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23587684 - 08/28/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Anti-feminism before women had the same rights as men was a bad thing, anti-feminism in 2016 just makes sense because there's no need for some feminist movement now. Feminists today are all about whining about statistics that they can't even understand. Saying women don't get paid as much as men, or that women pay more for the same products ("the pink tax" :lol:), or that men are misogynists, and just some other nonsense.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Shroomism]
    #23587711 - 08/28/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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There are people out there that are convinced their limbs don't belong to them... and want to get them chopped off. This is what you want? A society where mental disorders are supported by doctors with permanent physical life-changing consequences? Trendy amputations?
There is no conclusive evidence that sex change operations improves the lives of transsexuals short or long term despite there being studies going back some 40 years.
I mean sure, it's your body.... do whatever the fuck you want! But I don't think it should be sanctioned and encouraged by society / government as it is.
And most of us wouldn't really even care at all if they weren't CONSTANTLY talking about it and shoving it in your face. Silly me, I thought personal choices were supposed to be personal.






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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Masked]
    #23587716 - 08/28/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

not talking about things you don't like to discuss is easy. just don't discuss it. no one is forcing anyone to discuss these issues.

also: there are no solutions presented here. only with lots of therapy can transgendered people get help, and surgery is only a last ditch effort to make a person feel healthy?

who the fuck put random people in charge of someone else's health?


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