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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens] * 1
    #23586683 - 08/28/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The problem isn't with the disagreement or the disrespect
the problem is prefacing the diagreement or disrespect
with a lie

I don't care if you disrespect trans or whatever
just dont say

"i totally want to give you respect, but you are a he"
It's one or the other.

She's basically saying don't piss on me and tell me it's raining.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #23586691 - 08/28/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I like the rain.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23586698 - 08/28/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Is it common for republicans to be recreational drug-users?




More common than you probably think.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Apollyphelion] * 1
    #23586699 - 08/28/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So in order to truly respect a trans person you have to acquiesce to their ideas on what gender is despite whatever your own views are? Sounds pretty stupid.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23586704 - 08/28/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Richard Dawkins, asshole that he is, called it "a courtesy"


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #23586717 - 08/28/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So according to you it is more respectful to lie to your face about one's views on gender in the name of "courtesy" than to just tell you what one really thinks? Interesting.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23586721 - 08/28/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It doesn't always have to be a pseudo-intellectual debate, you know. A real intellectual would understand that


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: OfTheVoid46]
    #23586730 - 08/28/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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What someone identifies as isn't what they are. There's cases of people identifying as cows.. does that make them a cow?
Na, they still have their physical parts.





If I had a friend who identified as a cow I would refer to them as a cow. It has to do with respect and empathy. It don't think people identifying as animals is very common at all, but it does happen. I don't see what difference it makes. I never said I'd ever be 100% biologically female. I identify as female, I can't not, trust me I tried. That is reality for me. My chromosomes can't be changed currently, but I am a woman. A trans woman is a type of woman.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #23586732 - 08/28/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Lol get real. There is nothing pseudo-intellectual about what I'm saying. It's just a basic understanding of true respect. Sorry you think respect is pretending to agree with someone.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens] * 1
    #23586740 - 08/28/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Lol get real. There is nothing pseudo-intellectual about what I'm saying. It's just a basic understanding of true respect. Sorry you think respect is pretending to agree with someone.




No, it's a basic understanding of how to callously invalidate somebody's identity, which is incredibly offensive regardless to what that identity is.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23586746 - 08/28/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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clock_of_omens said:
Lol get real. There is nothing pseudo-intellectual about what I'm saying. It's just a basic understanding of true respect. Sorry you think respect is pretending to agree with someone.




Let's you you don't agree with trans people
that's fine
but in order to respect them
you need to use the correct pronoun.
You can still disagree, and offer respect
by saying she/her ect.

The respect and diagreement are not mutually exclusive.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 3
    #23586761 - 08/28/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

How does someone simply stating their views on gender invalidate your identity? You obviously don't agree with the opinion of the person you replied to. If your own identity is so fragile that some random on the internet can invalidate it, you have other issues.

Go back and read the post you replied to and your reply. All that person did was state their opinion. You implied that it is impossible to truly respect trans people if you don't agree with their opinions on gender, or at least tiptoe around the subject in their presence in the name of 'courtesy'. That's just plain ridiculous and actually just shows a lack of respect for the ability of trans people to not be little bitches feelings-wise.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #23586763 - 08/28/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The post sophist replied to said nothing about pronouns.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens] * 1
    #23586771 - 08/28/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall covered with artlessly misspelled graffiti. Have a nice day.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens] * 2
    #23586785 - 08/28/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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How does someone simply stating their views on gender invalidate your identity? You obviously don't agree with the opinion of the person you replied to. If your own identity is so fragile that some random on the internet can invalidate it, you have other issues.

Go back and read the post you replied to and your reply. All that person did was state their opinion. You implied that it is impossible to truly respect trans people if you don't agree with their opinions on gender, or at least tiptoe around the subject in their presence in the name of 'courtesy'. That's just plain ridiculous and actually just shows a lack of respect for the ability of trans people to not be little bitches feelings-wise.





Fully agree

We have to walk on egg shells around many Trans.  Many of the ones on this board can't seem to grasp that I don't need to agree with their views to respect them as a person

You worded it much better than I could have tho


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23586787 - 08/28/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I cant invalidate your identity. That is insecurity. I do believe the distinction between sex and gender is contrived. The surgery and treatment isnt really a treatment, but a terrible irresponsibe reaction by the medical community to a mental health problem, because we dont do a thing for these people. For conveniance, we normalize mental disorders. We call depression a mental disorder, but not wanting to have your genitals removed and be on cancer causing horones.

I realy dont see how I could be any more fair. It doesnt make me respect you less, you just percieve it as so. Im genuinely concerned for those that want surgeries that shouldnt even be acceptd by the medical community considering the high rate of regret and physical risks associated and not disclosed

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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens] * 1
    #23586788 - 08/28/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I love how people are like all "I totally accept and respect you except that I don't". Fake ass shit.




I love how some people think in order to "accept" or respect them you have to agree with their opinions. Dumb ass shit.




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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 4
    #23586790 - 08/28/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Lol ok. I can see how logic would seem like a brick wall to a pillow of emotion.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens] * 2
    #23586798 - 08/28/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Its all the estrogen. Bong loads of estrogen


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23586989 - 08/28/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I cant invalidate your identity. That is insecurity. I do believe the distinction between sex and gender is contrived. The surgery and treatment isnt really a treatment, but a terrible irresponsibe reaction by the medical community to a mental health problem, because we dont do a thing for these people. For conveniance, we normalize mental disorders. We call depression a mental disorder, but not wanting to have your genitals removed and be on cancer causing horones.

I realy dont see how I could be any more fair. It doesnt make me respect you less, you just percieve it as so. Im genuinely concerned for those that want surgeries that shouldnt even be acceptd by the medical community considering the high rate of regret and physical risks associated and not disclosed

estrogen is getting in all of your cells. If you get cancer, it will be in your bones and completely beyond medical intervention.





Gender Dysphoria is the disorder, and treatment is varying degrees of transistioning. Most girls don't get the surgery, and passing as a normal girl is usually when there is very little trace of any disorder. Most people don't regret it. Sure some do, but it is absolutely the exception. No medical procedure has 100% success rate, that I am aware of. Transistioning produces for the most part, happy campers.


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