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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
#23580857 - 08/26/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Holy hell, I knew you were deranged but what the hell are you stammering on about?
You blow everything and anything off topic and out of context.
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masked said many replies ago: I don't really care about the bathroom thing. Predators will always find a way...
While I feel making the bathrooms a free for all, increases their exposure to a possible and potential creep, more so than before they were a free for all, it's really small potatoes to me. There is much bigger worries when it comes to my children.
I have my opinions on this and because I can't get on board with your viewpoint you first tried to stuff inaccurate and dishonest words and claims in my mouth, which I picked you apart for already, and now keep droning on about how safe my children will be in the bathrooms and now claiming how fearful I am. Get your head out of your ass
No, I don't know how you would be with children. That being said...keep your shit wrapped Akira lol
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Masked]
#23580864 - 08/26/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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basically your fears in this case are bullshit, just an excuse for you to get on your soapbox about the "gender politics".
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23580866 - 08/26/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: no one said there was a problem with looking at the penis either way.

You've said several times that the problem is with sexualizing the penis in a bathroom space.
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that wasn't the argument. you've mistaken what the argument is
No, I know perfectly well what the argument was. You are just pretending it wasn't that because I've pointed out how utterly irrelevant it was.
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also, my response was to Masked, if you want to be more specific. there. who the fuck was talking to you?
Uhhhh, you? For the last several pages, starting from where I was replying to Sophist and you replied at me. So who the fuck was talking to you?
Man every time I argue with you, my mind is blown anew by your obfuscation and waffling.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23580918 - 08/26/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You've said several times that the problem is with sexualizing the penis in a bathroom space.
looking at the penis either way, as in, either way as a sexual or non-sexual organ. i didn't mean to confuse you but the reply was literal. you can look at it as a sexual organ only, or no, whatever, it doesn't matter, that's besides the point, that's what i am saying. you said: it doesn't matter, no one "says it's 'ok', it's not sexual' -- i said afterwards: that's not what i said, i said that you can look at it either way, but it's besides the point of the argument. the argument isn't about how to look at a penis...lol, the point is that people are using the instance of extra "trans people in public washrooms" as a platform to spread fear of "the increase possible abusers/molesters/creeps" whatever you want to call them. they are conflating "extra men (as trans) being in public washooms", supposedly disguised, that the risk to their children are increased. that's the point. and you should know that that is an absurd argument.
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No, I know perfectly well what the argument was. You are just pretending it wasn't that because I've pointed out how utterly irrelevant it was.
ahaha, no, no pretending. but you & Masked can keep telling yourself that. lol
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Uhhhh, you? For the last several pages, starting from where I was replying to Sophist and you replied at me. So who the fuck was talking to you?
Man every time I argue with you, my mind is blown anew by your obfuscation and waffling.
i am always blown away by your mom.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
#23580938 - 08/26/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: lol, the point is that people are using the instance of extra "trans people in public washrooms" as a platform to spread fear of "the increase possible abusers/molesters/creeps" whatever you want to call them. they are conflating "extra men (as trans) being in public washooms", supposedly disguised, that the risk to their children are increased. that's the point. and you should know that that is an absurd argument.
Come on now dude. Be real with me just once a_a, please. I already told you I don't care about that shit. I was talking to you about the penis argument in itself. How could what you just posted here be the point of the penis argument when none of that has anything to do with the penis? Please don't waffle on me again. Your argument was about penises, so the point of your argument has to involve penises.
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ahaha, no, no pretending. but you & Masked can keep telling yourself that. lol
See, here is your problem. You are lumping me in with Masked just because you are talking to both of us at the same time. I already told you several times I'm not arguing about the trans bathroom issue. I'm arguing about your penis argument.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23580943 - 08/26/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Come on now dude. Be real with me just once a_a, please. I already told you I don't care about that shit. I was talking to you about the penis argument in itself. How could what you just posted here be the point of the penis argument when none of that has anything to do with the penis?
it's all about the penis goddamn it.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
#23580953 - 08/26/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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oh right, no waffling...um. it's all about the fact that predators (with or without penises?) increase in the bathrooms, because of the fact of, not penis, but ummm...um, what other male only external body part could people be afraid'll get near their children...hmmm...not penis....not penis....boobs? vagina? asshole? someone's really disgusting. someone kill this bastard with a load of pongee sticks loaded with manure.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
#23580968 - 08/26/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alright, I can see you won't be real and address me on the only issue that I've said a thousand times I was addressing you on. Whatever. By all means continue to rant about shit I couldn't care less about.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23581026 - 08/26/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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no seriously, i've said 'the real' to you already, a few times. you just can't accept it.
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How could what you just posted here be the point of the penis argument when none of that has anything to do with the penis?
the thing i posted about the penis was to assert that the common denominator in this equation is the fact that trans people with male genitalia are invoking the fears of overly-concerned (though not unjustifiably, in most cases) parents, whom are trying to allay their fears by taking action against trans people, in general, and these people are getting into discussions into gender politics because they want to allay said fears, and or take said actions.
the fear is clearly of male predators (just statistically more likely) and their abuse of children. presumably, according to most sources, even from within the very public installment therein. absurd. absurd that these fears are placed on trans people, in general, rather than the actual perpetrators.
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See, here is your problem. You are lumping me in with Masked just because you are talking to both of us at the same time. I already told you several times I'm not arguing about the trans bathroom issue. I'm arguing about your penis argument.
no, i'm not. i've told you already, that that argument achieved it's goal. it was the whole point of the argument. just cause you don't like it. well, too bad. it's mine. you can't have it.
you'll have to make your own crazy argument.
the penis is...and is not...a sexual organ. it's both a sexual organ and a excretory organ. just like, for example, you see the asshole, imagine a giant butthole. k? there is nothing going on here, let's move on. now we have the genitalia. a vagina has two capacities...well, several, really! a vessel, for one...but let's just talk pure science here.
it is excretory, as an organ, as it's function...and it is also for pleasure, to initiate sex -- for men, that's in our anus (well, i mean, it's up your ass and around the corner but ahh nevermind), we don't generally want to go there...and then it's also the delivery system for procreation, no delivery system, no sperm goee to eggee.
get it? they have multiple functions. now to the crux of the argument. see, when it's not being used for echm DIRTY things (sex ), it's not being used SEXUALLY, even though it is a sexual organ, true?
well, there you go then.
unless your argument is "how are you supposed to convince anyone with that, in this argument with Masked" but that wasn't the point: the point was to get here.
right here.
people are afraid of a mostly male predator. that is the predator most people envision. and as i've said, i had this discussion with some other lunatic before...yes...he was fucked in the head. he thought that just the act of being in the washroom to take a whizz (don't whizz on the electric fence) is inherently sexual. i had to explain to him how it's not. get it now?
someone said that...not me. i had to explain it, you see. and the argument worked well here. because it helps to assert the fundamental fear here, and that's of the male predator that can "disguise himself" (just read the replies here in this thread) and thus acts as a much better and more dangerous predator, and thus this whole trans-issue with the washrooms (which were started by idiot religious zealots and moron anti-trans people in the first place) becomes a precedent for inherent and absolute rises in molestations, kidnappings and abuses.
if this isn't enough to understand how this covers your argument and explains to you mine own, in separate from the conjoined discussion with Masked, then oh well. i have spelled it out for you.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
#23581119 - 08/26/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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the penis is...and is not...a sexual organ. it's both a sexual organ and a excretory organ. just like, for example, you see the asshole, imagine a giant butthole. k? there is nothing going on here, let's move on. now we have the genitalia. a vagina has two capacities...well, several, really! a vessel, for one...but let's just talk pure science here.
it is excretory, as an organ, as it's function...and it is also for pleasure, to initiate sex -- for men, that's in our anus (well, i mean, it's up your ass and around the corner but ahh nevermind), we don't generally want to go there...and then it's also the delivery system for procreation, no delivery system, no sperm goee to eggee.
get it? they have multiple functions. now to the crux of the argument. see, when it's not being used for echm DIRTY things (sex ), it's not being used SEXUALLY, even though it is a sexual organ, true?
well, there you go then.
Yes, all that is true. And obvious, which was my point. No one thinks the penis is solely a sexual organ, except maybe the one crazy person you describe. Most normal people - likely most people scared of trans people in bathrooms - know that the penis has multiple functions. Do you not see that it is pointless and actually condescending to tell these people that the penis isn't solely a sexual organ?
As for your self-described crux of the argument, as I've already said multiple times, just because someone is currently taking a piss or is in a place where pissing takes place, doesn't negate the possibility of using the penis in a sexual way. True?
That is what the people are afraid of, and you assuring them of the obvious fact that the penis isn't solely a sexual organ does nothing.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23581181 - 08/26/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, all that is true. And obvious, which was my point. No one thinks the penis is solely a sexual organ, except maybe the one crazy person you describe. Most normal people - likely most people scared of trans people in bathrooms - know that the penis has multiple functions. Do you not see that it is pointless and actually condescending to tell these people that the penis isn't solely a sexual organ?
but it was worth it. plus, i didn't need to tell anyone, save that one guy. the point where i brought it up at all, was with regards to introduce the notion that it was a absurd fear to fear "disguised trans predators" when no one (and this was my conjecture) goes to the washroom save to go in, and go out, there is no good reason to lose track of you kid, if they don't come out, then you obviously GO IN and see why they haven't. and if the kid is old enough to be unsupervised, then what else can anyone do? keep trans people out, because they might be a predator? that same could be said for anybody.
it's also absurd to think that a "rise in" in anything is likely to occur, simply because of this issue. there always have, and probably more than likely, always will be, sickos you need to protect your children from, and whom the children, themselves, need to be made aware of, as they grow up.
there is not much else anyone can do, save segregate people whom "we think look" like trans. which is impossible without some kind of giant Total Recall scanner that scans muscle tissue.
and the point in bringing that instance up was because to lay all those fears on trans people is stupid. it should be laid, if anything, on predators, alone, and the fact that people overrate their fears, especially when it comes to the overtly sexualized, and/or, when it comes to what is perceived as...apparently, some kind of lure for these degenerates. as if more "disguised trans predators" are just waiting to catch their kids....um, that shit is not likely to happen to most people. that's why i say the fear is over blown...and the only reason i say that is so that people can hopefully wake the fuck up and realize that their fears shouldn't be placed on trans people, or "disguised trans people" or whatever absurdity, because this type of degeneracy just happens EITHER FUCKING WAY. that's why i mentioned any of it all. was to make that point. and it's been made. clarified. and construed as correct.
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As for your self-described crux of the argument, as I've already said multiple times, just because someone is currently taking a piss or is in a place where pissing takes place, doesn't negate the possibility of using the penis in a sexual way. True?
but the fear is misplaced, as the likelihood of something sexual being ALLOWED to happen in a public restroom is slim to none. the only reason the crux is comprised of what it is comprised of.
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That is what the people are afraid of, and you assuring them of the obvious fact that the penis isn't solely a sexual organ does nothing.
precisely, and it's absurd. especially since after their absurd reasoning is explained to them, over and over, they still don't care that they're being absurd. that's the problem.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23581218 - 08/26/16 06:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thread really blew up. I think transgendered humans are only going to become more common. We truly have arrive at "the future", leave all preconceptions of normality at the door.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ModestMouse]
#23581261 - 08/26/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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good post. seriously.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ModestMouse]
#23581282 - 08/26/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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one big freak show
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: shadyy]
#23581295 - 08/26/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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is that in a loving sorta way, or a more Shroomery sort of way?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
#23581299 - 08/26/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't think I've ever seen shadyy be a dick on here so I'm guessing loving
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ModestMouse]
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: shadyy]
#23581365 - 08/26/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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ModestMouse said: I don't think I've ever seen shadyy be a dick on here so I'm guessing loving
yeah, you're right. but sometimes i wonder where he's at.
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the world gets crazier by the minute.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23581678 - 08/26/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fuck it let it burn
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
#23581986 - 08/26/16 10:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, well I wasn't arguing any of that. I was arguing that your penis argument was obvious and unnecessary. It being unnecessary being evidenced by the fact that you made your point in that post without mentioning penises at all.
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