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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23580490 - 08/26/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Oh my, yes...I forgot my feable peasant place amongst your genius. 

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This thread is a joke...for 3 reasons

3. Akira being Akira





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Ythan, good job for implementing it.  I already thought it was in place so it was surprising to realize it wasn't


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23580492 - 08/26/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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you also needed the pre-development of those ovaries and vagina to be a man.




Yep, and then the male body says "" and kicks on the good hormone.





that's merely your opinion on the matter.

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Oh my, yes...I forgot my feable peasant place amongst your genius. 

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don't be so hard on yourself.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23580505 - 08/26/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)




There.  Full circle. We started with "joking". We end with joking lol


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23580512 - 08/26/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Nah, that was actually just a joke. Are you going to reply to my serious post? If not, I'll take that as an admission that your penis argument was pointless as I said from the beginning.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: PatrickKn] * 1
    #23580520 - 08/26/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Some possible genders:

or "Unicorn" (This ones for TheMovement)



I wholeheartedly support this idea.  Equal rights for unicorns and teapots.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23580522 - 08/26/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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by definition of words, and by function, it's also not a sexual organ. explain.




By definition of words, and by function, it also is a sexual organ. So why don't you explain what significant point you think you are making with this ridiculous argument.

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no. i think it's an irrational argument that's been postulated before, as i've said; and it's fitting to a degree to be mentioned here, as a counter-point.

i think people will be MORE afraid simply insinuating (as some have) that by having a female looking individual, who has a penis all at once, being in the washroom with children, that that is automatic cause for concern. poor phrasing, but i'm getting frankly sick and tired of having to re-iterate myself.

people are insinuating that because this "chick" with "a dick" is there, hypothetically, in the washroom, that that increasing the odds of molestation, simply by way of the penis being extra present. foolish? yes. but i didn't make this shit up.




I don't give a shit about trans people in the bathroom. I'm just wondering what the fuck point you think you're making with your 'penis no sex organ' argument. If you're going to reply to me, please just simply tell me the point of your argument.




the point: some people think the instance of molestation increases with more sexual predators, due to the fact of transgender people being allowed into bathrooms where they might pose a threat, as molesters, and make it so that people should or have to be afraid for that because there is more likelihood that a trans-person can now pose as a female and actually be a molester, aiming to molest children, that that's why we should be afraid or cautious in these regards; because the more trans-gendered people in public washrooms increases the likelihood of there being sexual predators in bathrooms, because people think that a chick with a dick is altogether too much risk involved considering the increase of potential hidden dicketry.

people are sexualizing the fact of having a penis in the women's bathroom, to put it simply.

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There.  Full circle. We started with "joking". We end with joking lol



i try to impart humor wherever i can. you can see that i was joking when i made my first comments towards you, and like i said, i went form that, to injecting a bit of realism, albeit, still while joking. fun, right?

i know i had fun.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23580536 - 08/26/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Do you really think that if people only refer to the penis as an excretory organ while people are pissing, it will make people less afraid of trans people using bathrooms? If so, get real. Those people obviously aren't afraid of it's excretory functions. They are afraid that the owner of the penis will use said organ in a sexual manner, thereby - apparently in your mind - metamorphosing it from an excretory organ into a sexual organ.




So basically this? Alright, good to know your point was asinine, as I suspected.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23580545 - 08/26/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

your response is asinine.

i don't think it'll quell anyone's spurious fears. why would i say anything, if that was the case, i'd just let this dumbshit continue on.

people being afraid that the owner of a penis is going to use said organ in a sexual matter is exactly what i am talking about. not what you think i am talking about.

people sexualizing the fact of the penis being in the girl's washroom, is in fact, the problem at hand. until someone does something sexual with the organ, nothing sexual has occurred; so why are people afraid again, and acting as if it is, as such, a problem?

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Nah, that was actually just a joke. Are you going to reply to my serious post? If not, I'll take that as an admission that your penis argument was pointless as I said from the beginning.



oh i did. patience, ludicrously supercilious one.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23580578 - 08/26/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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so why are people afraid again, and acting as if it is, as such, a problem?




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Those people obviously aren't afraid of it's excretory functions. They are afraid that the owner of the penis will use said organ in a sexual manner, thereby - apparently in your mind - metamorphosing it from an excretory organ into a sexual organ.







Damn son, how many times a brother have to explain something to you for you to register that shit. Your argument that the penis isn't solely a sexual organ is pointless because even if it were to be indoctrinated into everyone who is afraid of trans people in the bathroom, it wouldn't stop their fears. They aren't afraid of the non-sexual aspects, they are afraid of the sexual aspects. It isn't as if when one walks into the bathroom - the place of excretory function - the penis no longer has the ability of function sexually. Your argument was pointless. Just admit it and move on.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23580584 - 08/26/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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ludicrously supercilious one.




It's not super silly when it's true. :dealwithit:


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Masked] * 2
    #23580612 - 08/26/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If my daughter or son had a 6% chance of being assaulted in a bathroom in their lifetime.....now increasing and including all genders, would make it easier for a twisted fuck to get to them in semi-private.  It will be the norm for a man to walk in right after my daughter.  No one will bat an eye.  It creates larger access to the bathroom.  Now creating a 10% chance hypothetically, of being assaulted as opposed to 6%




Oh okay, thank you for clarifying. That actually makes a lot more sense to me. I may have read too much into your posts or misinterpreted what you were saying. I feel like it's a lot less questionable when you explain it that way.

It's a reasonable point. If it becomes normal and legal for any random creepy man to follow a young girl into the restroom, couldn't that lead to increased instances of abuse? It's not that trans-gendered people are the problem, but some people will take advantage of these accommodations afforded by society. How do we protect our loved ones?

I guess my question is, what about toy stores? Or those book stores with dedicated childrens' areas? Or swimming pools? Or McDonald's play places? Have those proven to be an issue? Should they be segregated by gender as well? What makes bathrooms any different?


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23580616 - 08/26/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Damn son, how many times a brother have to explain something to you for you to register that shit. Your argument that the penis isn't solely a sexual organ is pointless because even if it were to be indoctrinated into everyone who is afraid of trans people in the bathroom, it wouldn't stop their fears. They aren't afraid of the non-sexual aspects, they are afraid of the sexual aspects. It isn't as if when one walks into the bathroom - the place of excretory function - the penis no longer has the ability of function sexually. Your argument was pointless. Just admit it and move on.



the argument is inherent.

no one goes into the men's bathroom concerned with sexual stuff, and if they do, than they are already there, trans or not. :shrug:

same goes for the women's bathroom. people are concerned a transperson, whom has a dick, walks into a female washroom, and uses a stall (i'm pretty sure women's facilities don't have urinals :thousandisland: ) (even though that person is still not using it sexually, so the fears can be allayed, but yet they aren't) because of the fear that that person can indeed use their penis sexually in a non-sexual place and time. that fear itself is misplaced, because it's not the place and time, and the fact of someone attempting to molest a child has nothing to do with the trans-person nor her penis. it was never to do with her. it's to do with already held fears of child abusers.

the argument is not pointless. it directly addresses the problem Eminence (and Masked :smirk: ) is having.

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What makes bathrooms any different?




it's been explained above. they think it's different because of the possibility of sexual use of the penis therein.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23580655 - 08/26/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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it directly addresses the problem Eminence (and Masked :smirked: ) is having.




No, it doesn't, and I've already explained to you why that is. It doesn't matter that the penis has functions other than sexual. The fact is that it also has sexual functions which can be put to use in any place or time. That's where the fear comes from, and your argument that the penis isn't solely a sexual organ does nothing to assuage those fears. I'm not arguing one way or another on the bathroom issue, and I'm not arguing whether those fears are rational or not. I'm solely arguing that your argument has no effect on those fears and is therefore pointless.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23580715 - 08/26/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

you're still missing the point. the bifurcation really seems to have thrown you for a loop. it's not about the penis having multiple functions. it's about the penis being present, at large, and in greater summation, in girl's public washroom's, than it was before, because of the increase of trans people having access (the access they've always yet had) to said washroom, and also, in general, i'd wager (though not for users here, heavens no) the increase of trans people, in general, being more prominent in our culture and media than it has been in any recent time, and those people again, as i said, increasing the "risk" (said numbers increase of trans dick in public washrooms) of being 'exposed' to a molester.

plain as day...it's about the dicks.

and the argument was fine getting to the point, and avoiding the rest of the slag. the more penis, the more fear of "risk increase", and it's due to the sexualizing of the notion of a penis being within range of the little girls room. basic.

puritanical Peggy Hill fears. :peggy:

PS: again...the argument worked.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Ythan]
    #23580731 - 08/26/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If my daughter or son had a 6% chance of being assaulted in a bathroom in their lifetime.....now increasing and including all genders, would make it easier for a twisted fuck to get to them in semi-private.  It will be the norm for a man to walk in right after my daughter.  No one will bat an eye.  It creates larger access to the bathroom.  Now creating a 10% chance hypothetically, of being assaulted as opposed to 6%




Oh okay, thank you for clarifying. That actually makes a lot more sense to me. I may have read too much into your posts or misinterpreted what you were saying. I feel like it's a lot less questionable when you explain it that way.

It's a reasonable point. If it becomes normal and legal for any random creepy man to follow a young girl into the restroom, couldn't that lead to increased instances of abuse? It's not that trans-gendered people are the problem, but some people will take advantage of these accommodations afforded by society. How do we protect our loved ones?

I guess my question is, what about toy stores? Or those book stores with dedicated childrens' areas? Or swimming pools? Or McDonald's play places? Have those proven to be an issue? Should they be segregated by gender as well? What makes bathrooms any different?




Anywhere my child is naked and exposed and vulnerable vs a book store?  Really? 

Swimming pools are a haven for predators and I have already threatened a man's life in one particular situation. 

If I can limit my children's exposure to predators, I will do so.  But of course, I can't shield them from life itself.  Which is why I made it clear that the bathroom thing isn't a big issue for me.  It was Akira who took my one small comment about bathrooms because he brought it up, which I explained to you in more detail, (that predators will take advantage of this no doubt, under the guise of the whole trans thing...or rather, it raises the statistical chance of an assault potentially...not by a trans person but just by someone in general) ...he took my comment, claimed I think trans are predators and went on for pages about it, constantly insinuating I said a trans person with a penis is dangerous to my children. 

So I repeat, I don't really have much of a problem with it. 


I posted what I do have a problem with and what grinds my gears. But that's old news by this page


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Masked]
    #23580737 - 08/26/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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nywhere my child is naked and exposed and vulnerable vs a book store?  Really? 




instant sexualization. that's fucked.

your kid is just as likely to be taken by a creep at a bookstore...:facepalm: you think it's more likely some creep is gonna literally touch little girls IN THE WASHROOM, than just up and take the kid?


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23580751 - 08/26/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Do I think it's more likely that my son or daughter gets assaulted by a creep when she's/he's naked and vulnerable vs not?  Of course I do

Pull your head out of your ass. 


Thank god you don't have children.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Masked]
    #23580762 - 08/26/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

you have no idea how i'd be with my children. did i say you shouldn't look out for your goddamn child? funny, because i remember saying you should look after her a couple pages ago, and you said, "My 12 year old daughter doesn't need my personal supervision to pee.  Stop being so creepy".

yeah, well, when i said supervise her, i meant, protect her, obviously. so am i saying to you don't worry about or try and protect your daughter? no. so give it a rest. you still can't even comprehend what's being told to you.

your daughter, at age 12, is naked and vulnerable in the public washroom? WHY?

WTF is happening with you?

first off: stalls
secondly: naked and vulnerable? is she alone in the washroom? then go the fuck IN. is there people...then she isn't alone. you think some creep is going to literally try and molest people in public...and you think there are alot of these kinds of fucks around?

you should be worried more about someone taking her, from public washroom, because the risk of someone literally losing their shit, and being unable to contain themselves enough to molest kids IN PUBLIC and in the washroom of all places where people know wtf they are there to do and gtfo, and it would the most obvious fucking thing in the world...oh that stall had someone in it! hello!

wtf? where do you get these twisted fears from? having kids? then i'm glad i don't have them. it's the most senseless shit you're afraid of. go into the damn room, and make sure you have the all clear...and insist you watch for intruders, if you're so afraid, so no one goes near your daughters stall. well, watch out, it might be a guy, just looks girly! so you gotta WATCH! or get the police involved.

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your fears extend to absurd and unrealistic levels. if you're so afraid, pay closer attention to where your daughter is. i don't think we need washroom police, or like everyone eyeing eachother out of fear, because of some crazy shit. like, if you are that afraid, then stipulate that you accompany your daughter wherever, until she is older. if these absurd fears don't allay themselves, then what there is to look forward to is absurd fears all around. you look for suspicious people, sure, but what if everyone is suspicious. well if everyone is afraid, that's what is going to happen.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23580819 - 08/26/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No, you're still missing the point. I don't give a shit about the trans bathroom issue. I was solely arguing about your penis argument.

You are too distracted by what you perceive as the brilliance and incisiveness of your argument to realize that it is actually just obvious and irrelevant - the most embarrassing sort of argument to be making.

I mean really. You are saying to these scared people "Hay guyz, don't worry about the penis qua sexual organ, you can also use it to piss. Just stop sexualizing it and everything will be fine." Now what do you think the more likely response to that would be: "holy shit bro, that's genius. Why didn't I think of that" or "yeah no shit, we are talking about the sexual functions though, why are you bringing up irrelevant excretory functions?"? I think it's pretty obvious.

Once again, I'm not arguing anything about the fears themselves, only that your argument has no bearing on them and is therefore pointless.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23580835 - 08/26/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i never said you can "just say" anything away. no one said there was a problem with looking at the penis either way. that wasn't the argument. you've mistaken what the argument is. also, my response was to Masked, if you want to be more specific. there. who the fuck was talking to you?


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