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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23580386 - 08/26/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Sigh, this is one of those debates where I've learned to accept that the other side's concerns are as valid as mine, painful as that is to admit. I don't believe allowing trans people to use the proper restroom would actually increase the rate of predators using the bathroom to stalk prey and I'm still waiting for some hard evidence to come out that can prove me wrong, as I havent seen any. Not anecdotal, but stastistical evidence. It seems like most pro HB2 folks accept it as a given, without any need for evidence. But I can't really argue with parents who are worried for their children's safety. It's poor form, if nothing else. I just hope that people will come to their senses sooner or later. The bathroom panic bears all the telltale signs of mass hysteria.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23580391 - 08/26/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Lol dude, come on. You saying fiat and ex nihilo isn't impressing anyone. Saying the penis is a sexual organ but not by fiat or ex nihilo doesn't mean anything. The penis is a sexual organ precisely because of its sexual function. It's other functions have no bearing on its sexual function.




sure it means something. it means what it means. the penis was not given the tract of "you are a sexual organ and will only and forever be a sexual organ". it's just a penis. it does a couple things, honestly. so it's both a sexual organ and an asexual organ. but when it's being used non-sexually, it's no longer needed to be referred to as a sexual organ, say, if you are pissing, it's than a excretory organ. like the asshole.

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Nah, my arguments aren't pointless and convoluted. My name isn't akira_akuma.




convoluted, maybe. pointless, i beg to differ. you certainly can't prove me wrong.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Ythan]
    #23580397 - 08/26/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Interestingly, if we're going by statistics, transgendered people have more to fear from OP's daughter than the other way around. But what I'm really wondering is where's the outrage about priests in public bathrooms? This is clearly the more pressing concern for anyone with young children.



it's a pressing concern, but God wants us to prey the sin away in this case. no stones.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23580401 - 08/26/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Lol you are beyond deluded.  I have shown enough evidence of your quackery :lol:

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no just that access for trans in bathroom makes you afraid for daughter




Wrong again

I said that opening bathrooms to ALL, one big community bathroom, makes me afraid of predators getting to her(or my son) easier

So now we are back on the same wagon of you fabricating statements and opinions for me to create an opposition against.  You are pathetic.  I rest my case




Ythan:

Yes, any predators worry me.  I feel that a trans person is the least likely person to assault my daughter and son.

That doesn't mean I feel we should have huge community bathrooms where it's a free for all.  And just because I feel that way doesn't mean I think a trans will assault my child

Akira likes to fabricate opinions for people


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23580403 - 08/26/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hah, I missed that but that's a good couple of points, actually.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23580408 - 08/26/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Lol you are beyond deluded.  I have shown enough evidence of your quackery :lol:



yes, you have shown enough...of nothing. you can disagree with me all you want. anyone can. doesn't mean shit fuck all.

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That doesn't mean I feel we should have huge community bathrooms where it's a free for all.  And just because I feel that way doesn't mean I think a trans will assault my child




still deluded though. who said anything about huge community bathrooms?

huh?


oh right...no one.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23580420 - 08/26/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I've quoted your lunacy and picked it apart to a sufficient degree for anyone willing to spend the time

You clearly claimed I said this, I said that and I think this....and created an opposition and an argument against all these falsehoods.  I clearly showed where, when and how you did this and called you out. Quotes and links provided in many cases.

In the end, after being exposed long enough... "you were joking" :smirk:


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Masked]
    #23580425 - 08/26/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

keep dreaming.

i was joking. you can even see for yourself.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23579808#23579808

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23579871#23579871

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23579939#23579939

you can also see that i made no reference to you, personally, i was speaking of "us" or "we", in general.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23580080#23580080
you can also see that when i said "penises in the washroom" i was specific in what kind, that is, the kind you were referencing to begin with, the "extra" penises that come with these supposed "community washrooms" that i never heard mention of, but, there it is.

it was clear what i was referring to. your fear of predators.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23580427 - 08/26/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The penis just plain is the male sexual organ, not by fiat but by function and definition of words. You can play semantic games all day long, but that won't change. Who gives a shit whether it is at any given time being referred to as a sexual organ by any given person. It is a sexual organ outside of anyone's referral.

Seriously, please tell me the point you are trying to make with this argument, because from where I stand, it's pointless. Do you really think that if people only refer to the penis as an excretory organ while people are pissing, it will make people less afraid of trans people using bathrooms? If so, get real. Those people obviously aren't afraid of it's excretory functions. They are afraid that the owner of the penis will use said organ in a sexual manner, thereby - apparently in your mind - metamorphosing it from an excretory organ into a sexual organ.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23580428 - 08/26/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Masked] * 1
    #23580435 - 08/26/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes, any predators worry me.  I feel that a trans person is the least likely person to assault my daughter and son.

That doesn't mean I feel we should have huge community bathrooms where it's a free for all.  And just because I feel that way doesn't mean I think a trans will assault my child




Fair enough, can't argue with an opinion. It's just a bit confusing to follow your posts. It sounds like you're saying you don't want trans people using a bathroom with your daughter because you're worried she might be abused. But, you aren't claiming trans people are actually more likely to abuse her. But, you still feel bathrooms should be segregated by biological gender. I don't think your conclusion logically follows from your premise, but that's for you to work out. Personally, the main thing I'm looking forward to with the trans-rights movement is greater availability of single-occupancy restrooms. By 2020 I hope I can finally poop in peace in public (or P3 as I like to call it).


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Ythan]
    #23580438 - 08/26/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The penis just plain is the male sexual organ, not by fiat but by function and definition of words.




by definition of words, and by function, it's also not a sexual organ. explain.

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Do you really think that if people only refer to the penis as an excretory organ while people are pissing, it will make people less afraid of trans people using bathrooms?




no. i think it's an irrational argument that's been postulated before, as i've said; and it's fitting to a degree to be mentioned here, as a counter-point.

i think people will be MORE afraid simply insinuating (as some have) that by having a female looking individual, who has a penis all at once, being in the washroom with children, that that is automatic cause for concern. poor phrasing, but i'm getting frankly sick and tired of having to re-iterate myself.

people are insinuating that because this "chick" with "a dick" is there, hypothetically, in the washroom, that that increasing the odds of molestation, simply by way of the penis being extra present. foolish? yes. but i didn't make this shit up.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Ythan]
    #23580447 - 08/26/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No I'm not saying I don't want trans people in the same bathroom as my daughter

This bathroom talk is new to me and I'm from a small rural area.

I've began hearing whispers of how on all the bathrooms, they plan to put the female/male/handicap and whatever other signs on all the bathrooms.  I'm supposing in the hopes of pleasing everyone, not excluding anyone type thing?

This is the "bathroom debate" as I know it


i don't know the actual statistics so just take this as an example...


If my daughter or son had a 6% chance of being assaulted in a bathroom in their lifetime.....now increasing and including all genders, would make it easier for a twisted fuck to get to them in semi-private.  It will be the norm for a man to walk in right after my daughter.  No one will bat an eye.  It creates larger access to the bathroom.  Now creating a 10% chance hypothetically, of being assaulted as opposed to 6%

And yes, this is an opinion and I don't have data to back it up.  It's a new concept.  But I feel it's a logical and reasonable concern for a father.


Just because I still want bathrooms segregated doesn't mean I think trans people are predators or some nonsense like that.  I understand they are actually least likely to assault my child statistically


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Masked]
    #23580451 - 08/26/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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This bathroom talk is new to me



now who's making excuses.

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But I feel it's a logical and reasonable concern for a father.




it's reasonable...and not logical at all.

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I understand they are actually least likely to assault my child statistically




do you fear for your daughter's safety in regards to trans-people being allowed to visit the girl's bathroom, whilst said trans-person is engendered with a penis?

it seems like you are. and solely by reason of the fact that said trans person might have a penis and might abuse children, and/or the likelihood of such events increases with them being there.

patently false. but is that not what your fear is?

you state so here
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23580036#23580036

you said
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letting predators under the guise of "trans" have easier access to my daughter, is cause for alarm.




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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: 1234go] * 3
    #23580456 - 08/26/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Pretty sure you cant be a woman without having a vagina and ovaries


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23580462 - 08/26/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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This bathroom talk is new to me



now who's making excuses.

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But I feel it's a logical and reasonable concern for a father.




it's reasonable...and not logical at all.




Akira...you haven't sounded logical once in your life

I'll be sure to take that opinion to heart :lol:


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: TheMovement] * 1
    #23580465 - 08/26/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

you also needed the pre-development of those ovaries and vagina to be a man.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Masked]
    #23580470 - 08/26/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Akira...you haven't sounded logical once in your life

I'll be sure to take that opinion to heart :lol:



not to you. i can only work with what i'm given, after all is said and done. to help you understand how illogical you are is a feat not designed to be easy, but convolved.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23580477 - 08/26/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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by definition of words, and by function, it's also not a sexual organ. explain.




By definition of words, and by function, it also is a sexual organ. So why don't you explain what significant point you think you are making with this ridiculous argument.

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no. i think it's an irrational argument that's been postulated before, as i've said; and it's fitting to a degree to be mentioned here, as a counter-point.

i think people will be MORE afraid simply insinuating (as some have) that by having a female looking individual, who has a penis all at once, being in the washroom with children, that that is automatic cause for concern. poor phrasing, but i'm getting frankly sick and tired of having to re-iterate myself.

people are insinuating that because this "chick" with "a dick" is there, hypothetically, in the washroom, that that increasing the odds of molestation, simply by way of the penis being extra present. foolish? yes. but i didn't make this shit up.




I don't give a shit about trans people in the bathroom. I'm just wondering what the fuck point you think you're making with your 'penis no sex organ' argument. If you're going to reply to me, please just simply tell me the point of your argument.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23580486 - 08/26/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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you also needed the pre-development of those ovaries and vagina to be a man.




Yep, and then the male body says "" and kicks on the good hormone.


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