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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23579413 - 08/26/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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humans are born with one SET of sex organs, yes. one set. penis AND vagina.
sometimes both at once.
the values are separate from the genitalia. i could have both female and male genitally, yet still can get pregnant. so stfu alraedy.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23579427 - 08/26/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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clock_of_omens said: Yeah i saw that last time you posted it. I guess you missed the part where is says "male and female sex".
another person who can't comprehend how language evolves.
unbelievable.
language evolves. now we use the term "gender" to denote a persons sex, as if the two words "sex" and "gender" were interchangeable. they aren't, but they've become synonymous in the eyes of idiots. that's ok, idiots usually get high-scores in the bumbling department.
the word "gender" is and always has been a grammatical concept, more than it has been used to denote "sex", which are two different concepts, in general.
i can say LOL without really laughing out load...it's an expression.
gender is simple as denoting weak as female and strong as male. that's literally it's meaning.
now it's a synonym, because morons will moron and kill languages.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
#23579525 - 08/26/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Im not trolling, but that is literaly the same argument otherkin use, then they get defensive about having their own beliefes
then they snarl and...uh...'shift' to complete mental instability I think. we really need mental hostpitals instead of trying to normalize insanity
for otherkin. transexuals are not that insane
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23579537 - 08/26/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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otherkin isn't a gender. those people are retarded.
gender is based on real values...not make-belief concepts. so those people are retarded.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma] 2
#23579552 - 08/26/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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As a teapot, I'm offended.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
#23579556 - 08/26/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Im pretty sure animals are real and some have values
not the tigers of course.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
#23579567 - 08/26/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, each human is born with one set of genitals male or female with rare exceptions. Those genitals are determined by the individuals genetics. It's pretty much inconceivable that the so called male and female values you are referencing are not also affected by genetics and are therefore not solely a social construct nor are the social aspects entirely separate from the genetic aspects. Keep in mind this is working within your definition of gender as values.
Dude, stop saying language evolves as if you've stumbled on some heretofore unknown concept. No shit it evolves. It's a constant ssource of amusement to me that the person from whom I most often hear that language is evolving is the same person from whom I most often see definitions posted as an argument. To your credit though, you do consistently misinterpret the definitions you post and can thereby I guess be said to be contributing to your vaunted language evolution.
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gender is simple as denoting weak as female and strong as male. that's literally it's meaning.
Uhhh...ok? Males as a whole are physically stronger than females for biological reasons. So thanks for once again arguing against yourself and saving me the trouble.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23579583 - 08/26/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Uhhh...ok? Males as a whole are physically stronger than females for biological reasons. So thanks for once again arguing against yourself and saving me the trouble.
we're not talking about biological reasons...we're talking about grammatical reasons. stop and just think for a moment. i know you've got a brain. use it.
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It's pretty much inconceivable that the so called male and female values you are referencing are not also affected by genetics and are therefore not solely a social construct nor are the social aspects entirely separate from the genetic aspects. Keep in mind this is working within your definition of gender as values.
no one said they aren't effected by genetics or are only a social construct. 
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It's a constant source of amusement to me that the person from whom I most often hear that language is evolving is the same person from whom I most often see definitions posted as an argument. To your credit though, you do consistently misinterpret the definitions you post and can thereby I guess be said to be contributing to your vaunted language evolution.
i can amuse myself too.
A: no definition was posted as an argument B: i do not misinterpret definitions. you do. i interpret them based on the grammatical foundation that belays their interpretation. no one is using an etymological argument. i am just telling you how your notion of "gender" is wrong and ill-conceived.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
#23579590 - 08/26/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fucking lol. So now gender isn't a social construct. It is a semantic construct. Ridiculous. Even still the semantic content of gender is most assuredly based on real biological differences.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23579599 - 08/26/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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the semantic construct of gender is no different than denoting what's wet and what's dry, what's cold and what's hot. left & right. they are denominations, if anything, to the human species...unlike sex, which is more of a birth-right.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
#23579607 - 08/26/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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no one said they aren't effected by genetics or are only a social construct. 
Then why the fuck are you arguing with me. That's all i was saying and you came in with some nonsense about gender being a grammatical concept. Fucking asinine.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
#23579609 - 08/26/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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My point being, that in humans, testosterone drives men to play certain roles in a relationship, and etrogen drives women to play another. It's why men are more competitive for example, and why women are more nurturing, for example. There's a bigger difference between men and women than having a penis or a vagina. And no, it's not just other physical differences. It's been this way for a long fucking time, much longer than all this "gender is a social construct" stuff which is pretty new.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Eminence]
#23579613 - 08/26/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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we just need science so we can all be smooth down there and learn to loove each other for who we are
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Eminence]
#23579615 - 08/26/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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drive is good way to put it, Eminence.
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much longer than all this "gender is a social construct" stuff which is pretty new.
no, wrong. you're focusing on the wrong thing here. i am not saying that it's a social construct. i'm saying it's a grammatical concept. possessives. that the literal reason for the existence of the grammatical (and over all development) of the concept of GENDER. get it yet? or no? because i'll keep telling people wtf Gender means until they do. it's one of those things...i can't can't help myself from trying to get people to comprehend simple stuff.
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no one said they aren't effected by genetics or are only a social construct. 
Then why the fuck are you arguing with me. That's all i was saying and you came in with some nonsense about gender being a grammatical concept. Fucking asinine.
nonsense? it's more sense than what you are proposing. why am i arguing? why are you?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens] 1
#23579626 - 08/26/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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clock_of_omens said: What do you know, another person who sucks at analogies.
That wasn't even an analogy. Gender identity could certainly be conceived as a vector existing in the dimensons of neuroanatomical sex differentiation and social conditoning. I see your microbio studies have neglected to impart a basic understanding of multivariable vector analysis.
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Do you not understand that someone who admits to being "incredibly defensive" about a subject can't be trusted to have credible opinions not influenced by emotion on that subject?
The way to learn is to listen to people who have experiences that you don't... Regardless to their temperament. You are clearly more interested in antagonizing and splitting hairs than you are in learning.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
#23579631 - 08/26/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol no. All I'm arguing is that gender is affected by biology. You are aguing some shit about grammer like some fucking postmodernist. I was talking to sophist and you came at me bro. I'm not gonna not argue.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23579644 - 08/26/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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So now gender is a literal vector? Are you going to attempt some real maths on that gender vector of yours next? Jesus, the postmodernists are out in droves today.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23579645 - 08/26/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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i didn't come at you, bro; i just posted. just because you were the last person to speak, doesn't mean that i have cater to the whim of your speaking. i followed up what you said with what i said. simple as that.
and my reasoning is sound. of course gender will be effected by biology. how biology influences sex and gender are two different things. plus, if not you, then, the post was for other's whom think that gender is solely tied to a persons sexual organs. it's not. never was.
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Jesus, the postmodernists are out in droves today.
i want my old ways back, they ways i was never around for to begin with, wahhhh wahhhh wahhhh wahhhh wahhh wahhhh!
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23579676 - 08/26/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ah yes, the old I wasn't actually replying to you gambit. I'll take your word for it.
I don't dislike postmodernism because it's "not like the old ways". I dislike it because pomos are always trying to pull shit like pretending language is the base of reality and pulling maths into situatons where it doesn't belong.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
#23579684 - 08/26/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for postmodernism, France
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