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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
    #23578523 - 08/26/16 03:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Are hipters even a thing anymore? I never understood how being a hipster works, so they do things ironically and that all they do. But if that's all they do they must really enjoy it right?:shrug:




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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #23578577 - 08/26/16 04:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Same goes for cologne. Although there seem to be less than last year. The university seems to be their breeding ground.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23578802 - 08/26/16 07:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Just for the record, I'm not arguing one way or the other on the whole trans issue nor saying that your being trans is what's illogical. I'm just saying given what you are saying about transexualism and the distinction you're making between neuro- and body anatomy, the idea that gender identity is a social construct makes no sense.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens] * 1
    #23578978 - 08/26/16 08:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I never argued that gender identity is solely a social construct. I'm not sure why you expect me to defend an argument that I never made in the first place, or why everybody else always does either... Its my understanding that gender identity has both a biological and a social component which are intertwined.

Anyway, I'd rather not continue this discussion, it makes me feel incredibly defensive. I'm sorry if you're not satisfied but I can't do any better for now.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23579130 - 08/26/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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"Men" and "women" are words which refer to the identities, shaped by upbringing and culture and individual experiences, of mature persons.

"Male" and "female" are words which describe anatomy with no regard to identity or personhood.




This distinction would indicate otherwise, but whatever. Sorry that a discussion basically about nothing more than the philosophy of what gender is makes you defensive.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23579184 - 08/26/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

actually, it's simple. it's been explained a million times before. gender = values assigned grammatically to differentiate values between female and male values.

VALUES. not sexual organs. for example plants can have both male and female genitalia, yet if it's pollinating other plants, you can say that's definitely a male. if it's producing seeds, than definitely a female. the junk provided matters not to these given values, which persist regardless of what junk has been acquired.

no more arguing about stupid idiot shit now.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23579195 - 08/26/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: K-9 Unit]
    #23579212 - 08/26/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Assigned by nature, right? Men and women have different sex organs obviously, but their brains are also wired to better fit different roles in society too.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23579229 - 08/26/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Lol ok Akira, stop with the nonsense now. Humans and plants are not analogous, sorry. If we actually took your analogy seriously, you would have just shown that peole born with male sexual parts are definitely male as they are pollinating others so to speak. People born with female parts would be definitely female as they produce eggs. Why so transphobic AA?


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23579248 - 08/26/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Lol ok Akira, stop with the nonsense now. Humans and plants are not analogous, sorry. If we actually took your analogy seriously, you would have just shown that peole born with male sexual parts are definitely male as they are pollinating others so to speak. People born with female parts would be definitely female as they produce eggs. Why so transphobic AA?



i, like gender, defined VALUES. not ANATOMY. try again. this time try warming up those braincells before you respond.

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Assigned by nature, right? Men and women have different sex organs obviously, but their brains are also wired to better fit different roles in society too.



yeah the brain was created with "society" in mind. :rolleyes: do you ever listen to yourself?


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23579255 - 08/26/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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clock_of_omens said:
Quote:

Sophistic Radiance said:
"Men" and "women" are words which refer to the identities, shaped by upbringing and culture and individual experiences, of mature persons.

"Male" and "female" are words which describe anatomy with no regard to identity or personhood.




This distinction would indicate otherwise, but whatever. Sorry that a discussion basically about nothing more than the philosophy of what gender is makes you defensive.




Dude, it's fucking simple. Do you understand that a vector is comprised of multiple dimensional components which can be analyzed separately but which taken together comprise the whole vector? Do you understand that the x-component of a two dimensional vector has no direct bearing on the y-component, but that the description of the vector is incomplete without taking both component vectors into consideration? Do you even calculus, bro?

If you can't see why this subject makes me defensive, I can't help you.

You are definitely not a genius :shrug: either you cheated on the IQ test or it was a fluke.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23579288 - 08/26/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No one gives a shit about your definition bro. In your analogy you said plants have both sex organs and when a plant is producing seeds it is definitely female and when pollinating other plants it is definitely male. If we follow the analogy to humans, you are saying people who create seeds are definitely female, i.e. those born with female sex organs. Same goes for males and male sex organs. Obviously this isn't what you were trying to imply, sorry you suck at analogies. Most people do.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23579304 - 08/26/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What do you know, another person who sucks at analogies.

Do you not understand that someone who admits to being "incredibly defensive" about a subject can't be trusted to have credible opinions not influenced by emotion on that subject?


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23579357 - 08/26/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ugh, people are saying there worried that estrogen is going to give me cancer, but I think this thread beat it to the punch.:rolleyes:


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23579364 - 08/26/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Eminence said:
But if it weren't a mental illness, people wouldn't feel the need to try to change their sex to feel comfortable in their own skin, right?



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I'm excited for you Polly :awesome: It's such a wonderful feeling to grow into yourself and to be seen by the world for who you are. I feel blessed to have this rebirth after what came before. We live blessed lives to be able to do this.

Fair warning: after a couple years of HRT, you'll likely have had enough of hetero male attention for one lifetime, around the time they start getting really aggressive about it :loldongs:

Hey, are you more attracted to men or women, or both equally? No need to answer, just curious.



Doesn't he have to be attracted to both equally since gender isn't a thing?


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23579375 - 08/26/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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No one gives a shit about your definition bro. In your analogy you said plants have both sex organs and when a plant is producing seeds it is definitely female and when pollinating other plants it is definitely male. If we follow the analogy to humans, you are saying people who create seeds are definitely female, i.e. those born with female sex organs. Same goes for males and male sex organs. Obviously this isn't what you were trying to imply, sorry you suck at analogies. Most people do.



no one gives a f shit about the actual definition, yeah i know. i am not going to read the rest of your idiocy, as clearly, you are not listening to sense or reason, or etymology, for that matter. you clearly have no clue wtf you are talking about. go away. learn what the analogy is referring to; not sexual organs, but gender values. a plant can have both sexual organs and yet be committed to one common value, either/or value to developing towards it's eventually progeny.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23579385 - 08/26/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Lol k bro. Cite me the definition of gender wherein it states that it's about values male and female. I already saw the one you posted a few pages back where it basically states the opposite,  so you'll have to find a new one. Conveniently ignoring the part of my post where I show your analogy is ridiculous. Interesting.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23579397 - 08/26/16 10:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

the etymology speaks for itself, smart-ass.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=gender

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clock_of_omens said:
Lol k bro. Cite me the definition of gender wherein it states that it's about values male and female. I already saw the one you posted a few pages back where it basically states the opposite,  so you'll have to find a new one. Conveniently ignoring the part of my post where I show your analogy is ridiculous. Interesting.



and no. the opposite? LOL no.

and ignoring? no? not at all. you're incapable of understanding the concept of having genitalia that is for seeding or for pollinating, whilst not being of that specific sex. you can't grasp it.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23579398 - 08/26/16 10:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, but the difference is that humans are born with only one set of sex organs and therefore have only one of the values you state in your analogy. Therefore the analogy fails. Also there is no way you ca make a case that any values you are talking about are not influenced by biology, so the idea that gender is a social construct or that the social aspect of gender isn't influenced by biology is nonsense.


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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23579403 - 08/26/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah i saw that last time you posted it. I guess you missed the part where is says "male and female sex".


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