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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: John Nada]
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What do you guys think causes someone to be born one sex when they are "supposed" to be another?
I dont know much of anything about being transgender and dont really understand how its possible but truth is stranger than fiction.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
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1234go said: You're just super stoked about it now, it's funny is all. Enjoy.
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Unfortunately, we still have a long way to go from here. Psychonautica must be spinning in his grave to see us celebrating while even more marginalized genders continue to languish in obscurity. There can be no justice and no peace until Doctor and Zorbian gender markers are made available 
How many genders are there? Is there one fornpeople like me who can't fall asleep that well at night, but sometimes i do?
They should make a different gender for people who get along with each common household pet, but not in a sexual way, better than they get along with people.
Hey sophistic, i found the answer to my Question. Do you know how many genders there are?
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/02/heres-a-list-of-58-gender-options-for-facebook-users/
58 apparently. Can you name all them off the top of your head? Or are you in the group of people who keeps offending everyone by calling them the wrong gender?
Man, i can't wait to see what the newest gender of 2017 will be. I bet it'll be a color changing one. That would be the best. You could accesirize your gender identity based on your mood of any given day.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Connoisseur]
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Connoisseur said: What do you guys think causes someone to be born one sex when they are "supposed" to be another?
I dont know much of anything about being transgender and dont really understand how its possible but truth is stranger than fiction.
Orgones, and karmic radiation shifts in personal chi brah.
Yesterday i was a mere twink, but today i have decided i have been a closeted power bottom my whole life, that identifies as a weight lifter, with a brown fedora that likes to say "sup" a lot.
Not in a gay way either. Sexuality is a whole other discussion.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
#23577421 - 08/25/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I feel like there should be a certain requirement of number of psychedelic trips you've taken to be able to be a politician. Social reform at it's best.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
#23577434 - 08/25/16 07:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I feel like you should need to be having a psychedelic experience in order to be a politician
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple] 1
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I was watching this show on the television, and this lady wanted to be blind.
she was talking about a forum where her and a bunch of others would talk about "blindsimming?"
she ended up having Drano poured into her eyes
she's blind now, and looking at her makes you feel gross
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Connoisseur] 4
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Connoisseur said: What do you guys think causes someone to be born one sex when they are "supposed" to be another?
I dont know much of anything about being transgender and dont really understand how its possible but truth is stranger than fiction.
AFAIK it's an issue with brain chemistry and wiring. Males and females have different bodies, with different hormonal sensitivities. In gender dysphoria, there is no harmony among these systems. The body feels like it's not yours and the naturally produced hormones act like a neurotoxin.
Removing a splinter is a good analogy not just for the snip snip but for the hormonal impact as well. Before I transitioned, my face was masculine. It had fatty deposits around the eyes and mouth that prevented me from expressing my emotions naturally, it felt like they were stuck. Something as basic as smiling felt horribly unnatural. Everything felt unnatural. My range of expression was impossibly limited and I learned to accept that I was incapable of expressing my emotions.
The psychological implications of having the wrong hormone levels are even worse. Not being able to express my emotions is bad, but not even being able to feel them is worse. They were there, but I couldn't feel them, they might as well have been on another planet controlling me remotely, unseen. Everything felt wrong and unnatural from within. You can't feel the things you need to feel and you are overwhelmed with grotesque sensations, the impulses of a stranger. The discomfort is relentless, there is no escape. Only hard drugs can provide some temporary respite. Social and emotional withdrawal, dissociation and suicidality become inevitable as the years of agony grind on.
People don't understand that gender dysphoria isn't some passing whim, or curiosity or obsession with being like the opposite sex. Its a physical problem and the cause of a very real, often fatal mental health crisis that can only be resolved by transitioning. The people here who think that transitioning would worsen one's psychological condition are so ignorant of what trans people are actually like and what we have been through and what really motivates us to change, that it is impossible to know where to begin.
Honestly, it's hard for me to read a lot of the responses in here. I have been healing, but I have PTSD surrounding the life of torment that I used to lead. I'm sure jokes about "TRIGGERED!!!" are funny when you're not living with PTSD, but some of us are affected in very negative ways by the carelessness and lack of compassion that is typical here.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 1
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Thanks for the info!
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 1
#23577597 - 08/25/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I really hope the triggering things subside. I know how that feels. I accidentally triggered someone in the hospital. I didn't even know it until she spoke of it when we were in a group thing. She didn't blame me or anything but it bothered her because she struggled with it. I somehow knew it was me instantly after she mentioned it and we both cried and hugged it out. They made us split up tho bc no contact and I think also bc she was a lesbian. Heh.
But tell me if I trigger you. Seriously.
And it will get better. The things that used to bother me don't really when it gets brought up in conversation. Sometimes the best thing is talking about it almost nonchalantly, which I always thought was weird. But I mean.... first with loved ones and whatnot.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: pachoo] 1
#23577648 - 08/25/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, talking about it nonchalantly is something that I originally tried to do here, and that didn't go well for me at all. I got triggered so fucking hard here. But that was earlier in my transition. The more time passes, the more distance I feel from the trauma, and the better I get at withstanding triggers and with keeping things to myself but speaking up when the time is right.
I've said it elsewhere but it bears repeating, I'm very lucky. I have a lot of support in my life. People who attend to my emotions and work to keep me stable when I'm not able to keep myself stable. Most people don't have this kind of support and I shudder to think what would have become of me if I ever couldn't count on my family to forgive me and to be there for me. Most trans people become estranged from their families. I have no idea how they survive, but rest assured I am awestruck by those who do.
I guess I was almost triggered by a post you made in the romp recently? where you said that trans women aren't totally women because we weren't born as female. I wish I could have been born whole, but I wasn't, and it's likely that I will never be whole. But I am a woman, completely a woman. Men and women aren't born men or women; they are born as babies, and the world makes them into men and women. I was born with male anatomy and female neuroanatomy, and even as a small child, as far back as I can remember, the people I compared myself to were always girls and women, and I aspired to become a great woman when I grew up. But I wasn't hurt or really triggered by what you said, because you respected the authenticity of transitioning. That is such a big deal.
The responses from this thread that trigger me are mostly from specialpeopleclub but also Eminence. They think I'm deluded. They think I'm making things worse for myself by transitioning. They think that people who are suffering from gender dysphoria, from that horrible life of dissociation and withdrawal, deserve to be forced to live like that, should be forced to live and die sick when a cure exists, because the cure makes them, as people who don't need it, uncomfortable. They believe that children deserve to be forced to live like that. It terrifies me to read that shit. They have no idea what they're saying, that's all I can say to make my peace with it.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23577695 - 08/25/16 09:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh man. I was not trying to really say that because I was mostly thinking in terms of growing up as female. From baby to adult. There are specific things that you just wouldn't know and that is fine. Just like I couldn't say how it would be like growing up as a male, lesbian, gay or transgender. It was more about the realism of growing up to me. But adulthood is different and once you turn into another gender you do live that life and you do have a say. Like I said it was really tricky for me but I wanted to be honest.
As for the whole delusion thing I do believe there is a movement where it is growing that belief and I do worry about the childrens lives affected. I worry about the confusion growing up of questioning what they want. But I would not know how to deal with that. And there is a high suicide rate affected by transitioning for some people due to different reasons. But I am glad to see there are transitioning or transistioned shroomerites here that have been entirely happy with their choices.
I trust the sincerity and belief for those who continue to attempt such a transition in adulthood and who are positively changed to live their own lives that way. I just always had this thought that everyone is beautiful the way they are. But if you know this to be right for yourself you are still beautiful no matter what.
I am so happy you have had support!! One thing I wish I had was more support for my choices but c'est la vie. I realized after the fact I only wanted certain peoples support and instead focused more on the actual people supporting me.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23577718 - 08/25/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Connoisseur said: What do you guys think causes someone to be born one sex when they are "supposed" to be another?
I dont know much of anything about being transgender and dont really understand how its possible but truth is stranger than fiction.
AFAIK it's an issue with brain chemistry and wiring. Males and females have different bodies, with different hormonal sensitivities. In gender dysphoria, there is no harmony among these systems. The body feels like it's not yours and the naturally produced hormones act like a neurotoxin.
Removing a splinter is a good analogy not just for the snip snip but for the hormonal impact as well. Before I transitioned, my face was masculine. It had fatty deposits around the eyes and mouth that prevented me from expressing my emotions naturally, it felt like they were stuck. Something as basic as smiling felt horribly unnatural. Everything felt unnatural. My range of expression was impossibly limited and I learned to accept that I was incapable of expressing my emotions.
The psychological implications of having the wrong hormone levels are even worse. Not being able to express my emotions is bad, but not even being able to feel them is worse. They were there, but I couldn't feel them, they might as well have been on another planet controlling me remotely, unseen. Everything felt wrong and unnatural from within. You can't feel the things you need to feel and you are overwhelmed with grotesque sensations, the impulses of a stranger. The discomfort is relentless, there is no escape. Only hard drugs can provide some temporary respite. Social and emotional withdrawal, dissociation and suicidality become inevitable as the years of agony grind on.
People don't understand that gender dysphoria isn't some passing whim, or curiosity or obsession with being like the opposite sex. Its a physical problem and the cause of a very real, often fatal mental health crisis that can only be resolved by transitioning. The people here who think that transitioning would worsen one's psychological condition are so ignorant of what trans people are actually like and what we have been through and what really motivates us to change, that it is impossible to know where to begin.
Honestly, it's hard for me to read a lot of the responses in here. I have been healing, but I have PTSD surrounding the life of torment that I used to lead. I'm sure jokes about "TRIGGERED!!!" are funny when you're not living with PTSD, but some of us are affected in very negative ways by the carelessness and lack of compassion that is typical here.
Can you explain how under these pretenses the bodies natural hormones act like a neurotoxin?
Also are you implying that it can be scientifcaly proven that an individual is born the "wrong" sex due to the fact that they may have "fatty deposits around the eyes and mouth that prevented them from expressing their emotions naturally" or possibly by any other physical analysis of the persons body?
Do these fatty deposits not occur in men born psychologically as men?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Connoisseur] 3
#23577785 - 08/25/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Caveat emptor, I'm not sure how much longer I can keep answering questions like these.
Pachoo, the suicide rate for people who are suffering from the clinical markers of gender dysphoria is vastly reduced by transitioning. But I understood what you meant about growing up female, and I meant to say that I did grow up female, albeit a female who is infertile and never had a single period and was forced by circumstances to pretend to be male, but a female nonetheless. I don't know how to address the childhood issue. I just know that I was in hell as soon as my natural hormones kicked in, and that was in my early teens. I wish my parents could have recognized my gender issues and put me on puberty blockers until I was old enough to make the decision to go on female hormones and transition for myself, it would have spared me so much trauma and so many years lost to abject misery. That is the general practice in the Netherlands and the results have been positive. But things are different in the Netherlands, they don't have the same issues with access to medical care and psychotherapy. I recognize that this is very fraught territory and I'm not interested in "advocating", at this point. At this point I believe that those parents who support and accept their adult children's decision to transition are the best kind of parents. I know that kids go through all sorts of "phases" and should be protected from the harmful consequences of their own immature choices, and most American families can't provide the extensive therapy that would be necessary to provide this sort of treatment where it's needed and withhold it where it's not.
Connoisseur, all adult biological males have these fatty deposits around their eyes and mouths, and the vast majority don't feel limited by it. When I got on hormones, I had no idea that it would free up my eyes and mouth to express my emotions properly. I had no idea about most of the benefits that I've reaped from transitioning. It's gone far better than I'd hoped or planned for, honestly. When I was in dysphoria, there were several things I knew: my body felt wrong, I was missing feelings that I needed to have, I couldn't express those feelings I did have naturally, I was having lots of feelings that were totally unnatural and foreign to me, and I was constantly drenched in grossness (ie male sweat). And my dick was constantly inflamed. I don't think men usually experience their constantly chubby dicks as "inflamed", but the relief I felt upon having my dick go totally soft after starting HRT goes back to that splinter analogy. A tremendous discomfort was removed from between my legs and replaced with a sense of ease and freedom. I am guessing that most males don't feel that way when their dick goes soft. AFAIK gender dysphoria is a neurological issue that has innumerable negative consequences for the people who suffer from it. It's like I said: there is no way I could ever compose an exhaustive list of the reasons why I'm transitioning. It could go on forever.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23577799 - 08/25/16 09:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Many people feel unnatural in their bodies or minds thats not uncommon for many people who far and wide are mostly not trans.
When you say your dick was "inflamed" do you mean you had an erection?
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Connoisseur]
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No, I mean that the softest it could get wasn't soft enough for me to feel comfortable. It felt itchy and swollen even when it was totally flaccid. Like your face feels when you're having an allergic reaction to pollen. It does NOT feel that way anymore.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#23577825 - 08/25/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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That sounds painful 
Did you have it looked at by a doctor?
Sorry to ask such personal questions im just interested in hearing what medical professionals have told you about all this.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Connoisseur]
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I had no detectable physical or endocrine issue. I was physically a very healthy kid and young adult with shitloads of anxiety that seemed to come out of nowhere.
My body is not wired to anticipate a constantly swollen dick. It was a constant intrusion upon my thoughts, an incessant bother. It's normal for men's dicks to be like this, and most of them don't seem to have such an issue with it. For me, it was insufferable.
Once again, this is just one of very, very many issues that has been cleared up for me since starting hormones, but I feel like it makes a pretty strong example for making my case that I was not driven to transition by psychological reasons. I really get the impression that there is some sort of neurological issue at play, and that is the current medical consensus as well.
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Sophistic Radiance said: Caveat emptor, I'm not sure how much longer I can keep answering questions like these.
For what it's worth I appreciate your being so open and honest in your past few posts. I know it may be difficult and frustrating to feel like you're obligated to discuss these personal matters and be some sort of spokesperson for trans-gendered individuals. But for people who are generally empathetic but don't have first-hand experience with the difficulties faced by trans individuals, it's useful and elucidating to hear you explain it from your own point of view.
Personally I'm not sure why some people are so concerned with what's going on in your pants or your endocrine system. I find it kind of creepy.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Speaking personally my dick is never itchy and swollen unless there is something wrong with it.
I can assure you its not normal at all for a penis to feel such a way.
If someone told me their dick felt itchy and swollen when it was flacid I would tell them to seek medical attention and if no medical issue could be identified that would definitely raise some questions.
If you can site where you heard that the bodies natural hormones act as neuro toxins under the circumstances you described above I would love to see that since endogenous chemistry and pharmacology are very interesting to me.
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Re: Neutral Gender option for The Shroomery - Times are a changin' [Re: Ythan]
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Sophistic Radiance said: Caveat emptor, I'm not sure how much longer I can keep answering questions like these.
For what it's worth I appreciate your being so open and honest in your past few posts. I know it may be difficult and frustrating to feel like you're obligated to discuss these personal matters and be some sort of spokesperson for trans-gendered individuals. But for people who are generally empathetic but don't have first-hand experience with the difficulties faced by trans individuals, it's useful and elucidating to hear you explain it from your own point of view.
Personally I'm not sure why some people are so concerned with what's going on in your pants or your endocrine system. I find it kind of creepy.
For clarity im asking these questions to get a better understanding of what the experience of being a transexual is like and while I can understand that soph is one individual shes the one coming forward to answer questions that im really directing at anyone willing to share their experience.
I really dont know barely anything about this topic but being an open minded individual im interesting to be educated.
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