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does the way you kill yourself matter?
    #23568277 - 08/23/16 07:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

in life there are three things you can't avoid death, taxes, aging. But we believe it matter if we pay our taxes, we judge people as they age. So do we judge people  on how they died as well of course suicide brings mixed feeling and bad thoughts to the ones left behind. But if one were to eat a jar of contaminated anthrax for dinner is that so much worst then bleeding to death on the bathroom floor. or hanging, shot to the face.
i believe all life is equal therefore all death  is equal no matter how it is caused.


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: tump]
    #23568289 - 08/23/16 07:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

according to the tibetin book of the dead the way you die is very important, don't want to get trapped in a negative bardo


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: xzylocybin]
    #23568543 - 08/23/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

your only obligation is to life. death doesnt exist, dont obsess over it. your life may change, but its not going away. life obsessed with death is insanity.


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: nothing exists]
    #23568732 - 08/23/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yes it matters. The way you die will influence where you will go immediately after.

Although this is based on the Tibetan Book of the dead and what certain spiritual teachers have said so it's up for debate.


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #23568865 - 08/23/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Not really up for debate. The believers cannot provide one iota of evidence so there is no point and counterpoint; no arguments to present.

Here is how it goes:

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Skeptic rejects assertion.

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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23569279 - 08/23/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I like "nothing exists" attitude.

However the other two are probably right on this one, also, as I've had countless out of body experiences and often times the "afterlife" is an extremely strange, uncomfortable place, sometimes beautiful and harrowing.

I imagine if you just top yourself, you're not going to a nice dimension.

Life has a purpose, many meanings, many dimensions, levels, it's a problem to be solved, and despite the nightmare of history it is sacred.

So if you just utterly disrespect the whole thing, throw it all in the designer's face, it can't work out well . . .


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: tump]
    #23569619 - 08/23/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

a samurai knows only one way

but that is such a drama queen culture


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23569715 - 08/23/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They only had Kabuki, but no TV. :shrug:


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23570019 - 08/23/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

stuff at the shroomery gets pretty dramatic


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: tump]
    #23570222 - 08/23/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

yes

a half assed job can mess up up your life, like brain damage

and a sloppy job (w say a gun) leaves a mess, & shock, for others


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: laughingdog]
    #23570808 - 08/23/16 09:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Why do you care what other find in a bloody mess with your corpse. Your died. If that really matter the best way to die would be wood clipper into the rivir. Death is death . if the grand design was made by a all powerful then why would he care if you kill yourself . it be their design for you to die anyway. All adcording to plan


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: nothing exists]
    #23585360 - 08/27/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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your only obligation is to life. death doesnt exist, dont obsess over it. your life may change, but its not going away. life obsessed with death is insanity.




Or perhaps it is life that doesn't exist. In comparing the length of time you will spend alive vs. not, the time spent alive is vanishingly insignificant.


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: laughingdog]
    #23585688 - 08/28/16 01:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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laughingdog said:
yes

a half assed job can mess up up your life, like brain damage

and a sloppy job (w say a gun) leaves a mess, & shock, for others





depends on who you're asking, good for those who care about you, prolly not........  but there's a whole industry for cleaning up hazmat/crime scene scenarios, a messy suicide is somebody else's paycheck


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: tump]
    #23585747 - 08/28/16 02:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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in life there are three things you can't avoid death, taxes, aging. But we believe it matter if we pay our taxes, we judge people as they age. So do we judge people  on how they died as well of course suicide brings mixed feeling and bad thoughts to the ones left behind. But if one were to eat a jar of contaminated anthrax for dinner is that so much worst then bleeding to death on the bathroom floor. or hanging, shot to the face.
i believe all life is equal therefore all death  is equal no matter how it is caused.




some death is far worst


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: laughingdog]
    #23585757 - 08/28/16 02:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

a half assed job can mess up up your life, like brain damage

and a sloppy job (w say a gun) leaves a mess, & shock, for others




On the money.
When you find em hanging, gassed with a bag or self inflicted strategic wound they look create less drama.
But when they blow there face off or choose a spot where kids will find them they tend to cause trauma in others lives.
And if pain is what they are escaping.
Why inflict it on others.
I tend to think of most as selfish fuckers.
There families suffer forever and can take many generations to recover.
Often the ones that would be doing the world a favour, hang around to torture others, whilst the good ones are lost.


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: Bunya]
    #23585770 - 08/28/16 02:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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a half assed job can mess up up your life, like brain damage

and a sloppy job (w say a gun) leaves a mess, & shock, for others




On the money.
When you find em hanging, gassed with a bag or self inflicted strategic wound they look create less drama.
But when they blow there face off or choose a spot where kids will find them they tend to cause trauma in others lives.
And if pain is what they are escaping.
Why inflict it on others.
I tend to think of most as selfish fuckers.
There families suffer forever and can take many generations to recover.
Often the ones that would be doing the world a favour, hang around to torture others, whilst the good ones are lost.




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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23585975 - 08/28/16 07:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Does it matter how it's done?  To the suicidal, not really besides how much pain they wish to experience before end.

For the ones left behind, yeah, if you gotta scrub and scrape your husband's brain of the wall and patch the holes, they will probably be silently wishing you had hung yourself. Many cultures find it atrocious to disfigure the face in death.

Lunar eclipse, I agree but suicides don't usually have regard for others, or believe their existence makes others lives worse anyway. People get over death, you can't argue with it, is final. But daily suffering can be just about unlivable, for the person experiencing it and for the others that have to watch and deal.


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: nuentoter]
    #23586090 - 08/28/16 08:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think you can generalize about suicides like that. In my reading, some are terrified of the pain,
some would like to make it look like an accident, some want to send a message,
some want to have a faux attempt without actually excessive risk of harm


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: Crumist]
    #23586569 - 08/28/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

True but does the motivation change the perception of the people left behind?


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: nuentoter]
    #23586844 - 08/28/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Clearly, blowing your brains out during a screaming match with an ex leaves a different impression than buying a helium tank and leaving a note (and maybe even having an accomplice hide the evidence after your passing


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: Crumist]
    #23586879 - 08/28/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The helium exit bag does take a little coordination, was laughingdog's point regarding brain damage.... It's totally effective done right though.....  Maybe a mix of an OD of phenobarbital off the DNM and the exit bag is a little safer....


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #23586967 - 08/28/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Does it matter to the person committing suicide? In the long run, nope.

For the ones left behind, like I said their perception of that individual is different, depending on method. The damage done to the ones left, I dunno that's a funny thing, is someone uses an exit bag could it be more detrimental know it was well thought out and executed. Or possibly a sleight peace of mind that they blew their brains out on an impulsive bought of depression.

Hard to say how people rationalize something that.


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: nuentoter]
    #23587072 - 08/28/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Didn't get that last part. Why hide the note?


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: tump]
    #23587078 - 08/28/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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tump said:
in life there are three things you can't avoid death, taxes, aging. But we believe it matter if we pay our taxes, we judge people as they age. So do we judge people  on how they died as well of course suicide brings mixed feeling and bad thoughts to the ones left behind. But if one were to eat a jar of contaminated anthrax for dinner is that so much worst then bleeding to death on the bathroom floor. or hanging, shot to the face.
i believe all life is equal therefore all death  is equal no matter how it is caused.




Exclusively speaking about the world you leave behind though, yes, how you die absolutely leaves an impression. I heard a story on Dr Phil (was only half listening to it) where a man lit himself on fire to be found, still alive and burning alive, by his wife. That leaves a much more negative effect behind than a number of reclusive and quite ways.


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23587102 - 08/28/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Didn't get that last part. Why hide the note?




To obscure the fact it was suicide, but still have a note to be shared in the event the ruse is discovered


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23587306 - 08/28/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Does it matter to the person committing suicide? In the long run, nope.

For the ones left behind, like I said their perception of that individual is different, depending on method. The damage done to the ones left, I dunno that's a funny thing, is someone uses an exit bag could it be more detrimental know it was well thought out and executed. Or possibly a sleight peace of mind that they blew their brains out on an impulsive bought of depression.

Hard to say how people rationalize something that.





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CookieCrumbs said:
Didn't get that last part. Why hide the note?





What are you talking about?


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: nuentoter]
    #23587572 - 08/28/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

My bad. Quoted the wrong person somehow.


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23587700 - 08/28/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Oh lol, I was quite confused


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: tump]
    #23595218 - 08/30/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Dr Stan Grof, M.D. has pointed out the one of the four "Basic Perinatal Matrices," that is, one of the four phases of intrauterine life up to actual birth influences much of our life-death struggle outside of the womb. For example, those who were most influenced by the blissful, undisturbed oceanic floating in the womb, when they commit suicide, use drugs that return them to that blissful unconscious, At the other end of the continuum, those people who might put a gun in their mouths and blow the top of their head off amid brains, blood, and cerebrospinal fluid, ar recapitulating the final violent expulsion from the vagina, often amidst blood, cervical mucous, urine or feces.

But the BPM states also have a profound effect on one's sexual behaviors. For example, in the violent contractions of BPM III, the neonate is being crushed, suffocated, terrified, and possibly seized by medical instruments. Sado-Masochistic (S&M) and Bondage and Dominance (B&D), are explained as a recapitulation of these painful and life-threatening intrauterine conditions. Constrictive rubber, latex or leather outfits, air hoses, ball gags, blindfolds, and the application of instruments (or torture!) all serve to replicate the terrors and pain of birth.

i would add that my own revivification of my birth experience on a mega-dose of LSD showed me that the pain, suffocation and mortal terror of my birth was balanced by polymorphous sexuality. That is to say, despite the agony, the ecstasy that got me through the birth canal was in part due to the super-sexual pleasure of my entire body surface (not just my penis) with forward motion out of the womb. Every square inch of my body felt like the surface of a stimulated  penis! Now, I had this experience before Dr. Grof published his first book Realms of the Human Unconscious: Observations From LSD Research, but as I later read, this "titanic struggle" between Eros and Thanatos (named after the Greek gods of life/sex and death), is also imprinted on our psyche.

So, if Thanatos seems to be overpowering Eros for you, even though you are currently alive, then your so-called 'Death-Wish' will be operating slightly over your 'Life-Wish,' which is apparently the case. I don't know you, but the fact that you are asking about modes of death instead of modes of life supports my point. I hope you don't waste this unique opportunity to live until you die as some of my peers did in their 20s. There is pain, but there is pleasure. If your pleasure-pain, loss-gain interaction is out of balance, do yourself and your loved ones the favor of getting help with the balance before Thanatos overpowers Eros in you for good and before your time. Believe me, it will be worth it regardless of how your life goes. :yesnod:



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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: tump]
    #23598994 - 08/31/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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in life there are three things you can't avoid death, taxes, aging. But we believe it matter if we pay our taxes, we judge people as they age. So do we judge people  on how they died as well of course suicide brings mixed feeling and bad thoughts to the ones left behind. But if one were to eat a jar of contaminated anthrax for dinner is that so much worst then bleeding to death on the bathroom floor. or hanging, shot to the face.
i believe all life is equal therefore all death  is equal no matter how it is caused.




well the way another dies may effect you
and the way you die may effect another
so in that sense yes it matters

if one were to isolate to the point that only the effect on you is important
then I think individual circumstances play a large part of that story


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: tump]
    #23605146 - 09/02/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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tump said:But if one were to eat a jar of contaminated anthrax for dinner is that so much worst then bleeding to death on the bathroom floor. or hanging, shot to the face.
i believe all life is equal therefore all death  is equal no matter how it is caused.



Contaminated anthrax for dinner sounds a lot worse to me, from a subjective purist point of view, than just regular anthrax. But I don't think it's more lethal. It might be more or less socially acceptable however, who knows?


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: Rhizoid]
    #23605634 - 09/02/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Who doesnt have a jar of Anthrex in there home.


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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: tump]
    #23605714 - 09/02/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i believe all life is equal therefore all death  is equal no matter how it is caused.




all this is, quote: "life is equal" , is a thought

then you proceed to identify with it and proclaim it a belief!

so what?

no experiential or rational experimental evidence is provided.

anyone can pick a random thought

choose to put it on a pedestal

worship it, and become dogmatic...

big deal

PS: it helps even more if terms aren't defined, and the statement is kept so brief as to make it's field of reference ambiguous...

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