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does the way you kill yourself matter?
#23568277 - 08/23/16 07:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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in life there are three things you can't avoid death, taxes, aging. But we believe it matter if we pay our taxes, we judge people as they age. So do we judge people on how they died as well of course suicide brings mixed feeling and bad thoughts to the ones left behind. But if one were to eat a jar of contaminated anthrax for dinner is that so much worst then bleeding to death on the bathroom floor. or hanging, shot to the face. i believe all life is equal therefore all death is equal no matter how it is caused.
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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: tump]
#23568289 - 08/23/16 07:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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according to the tibetin book of the dead the way you die is very important, don't want to get trapped in a negative bardo
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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: xzylocybin]
#23568543 - 08/23/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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your only obligation is to life. death doesnt exist, dont obsess over it. your life may change, but its not going away. life obsessed with death is insanity.
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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: nothing exists]
#23568732 - 08/23/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes it matters. The way you die will influence where you will go immediately after.
Although this is based on the Tibetan Book of the dead and what certain spiritual teachers have said so it's up for debate.
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Not really up for debate. The believers cannot provide one iota of evidence so there is no point and counterpoint; no arguments to present.
Here is how it goes:
TB makes flat assertion. Skeptic rejects assertion.
The End.
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I like "nothing exists" attitude.
However the other two are probably right on this one, also, as I've had countless out of body experiences and often times the "afterlife" is an extremely strange, uncomfortable place, sometimes beautiful and harrowing.
I imagine if you just top yourself, you're not going to a nice dimension.
Life has a purpose, many meanings, many dimensions, levels, it's a problem to be solved, and despite the nightmare of history it is sacred.
So if you just utterly disrespect the whole thing, throw it all in the designer's face, it can't work out well . . .
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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: tump]
#23569619 - 08/23/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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a samurai knows only one way
but that is such a drama queen culture
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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: redgreenvines]
#23569715 - 08/23/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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They only had Kabuki, but no TV.
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stuff at the shroomery gets pretty dramatic
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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: tump]
#23570222 - 08/23/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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yes
a half assed job can mess up up your life, like brain damage
and a sloppy job (w say a gun) leaves a mess, & shock, for others
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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: laughingdog]
#23570808 - 08/23/16 09:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why do you care what other find in a bloody mess with your corpse. Your died. If that really matter the best way to die would be wood clipper into the rivir. Death is death . if the grand design was made by a all powerful then why would he care if you kill yourself . it be their design for you to die anyway. All adcording to plan
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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: nothing exists]
#23585360 - 08/27/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
nothing exists said: your only obligation is to life. death doesnt exist, dont obsess over it. your life may change, but its not going away. life obsessed with death is insanity.
Or perhaps it is life that doesn't exist. In comparing the length of time you will spend alive vs. not, the time spent alive is vanishingly insignificant.
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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: laughingdog]
#23585688 - 08/28/16 01:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
laughingdog said: yes
a half assed job can mess up up your life, like brain damage
and a sloppy job (w say a gun) leaves a mess, & shock, for others
depends on who you're asking, good for those who care about you, prolly not........ but there's a whole industry for cleaning up hazmat/crime scene scenarios, a messy suicide is somebody else's paycheck
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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: tump]
#23585747 - 08/28/16 02:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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tump said: in life there are three things you can't avoid death, taxes, aging. But we believe it matter if we pay our taxes, we judge people as they age. So do we judge people on how they died as well of course suicide brings mixed feeling and bad thoughts to the ones left behind. But if one were to eat a jar of contaminated anthrax for dinner is that so much worst then bleeding to death on the bathroom floor. or hanging, shot to the face. i believe all life is equal therefore all death is equal no matter how it is caused.
some death is far worst
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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: laughingdog]
#23585757 - 08/28/16 02:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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a half assed job can mess up up your life, like brain damage
and a sloppy job (w say a gun) leaves a mess, & shock, for others
On the money. When you find em hanging, gassed with a bag or self inflicted strategic wound they look create less drama. But when they blow there face off or choose a spot where kids will find them they tend to cause trauma in others lives. And if pain is what they are escaping. Why inflict it on others. I tend to think of most as selfish fuckers. There families suffer forever and can take many generations to recover. Often the ones that would be doing the world a favour, hang around to torture others, whilst the good ones are lost.
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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: Bunya]
#23585770 - 08/28/16 02:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bunya said: a half assed job can mess up up your life, like brain damage
and a sloppy job (w say a gun) leaves a mess, & shock, for others
On the money. When you find em hanging, gassed with a bag or self inflicted strategic wound they look create less drama. But when they blow there face off or choose a spot where kids will find them they tend to cause trauma in others lives. And if pain is what they are escaping. Why inflict it on others. I tend to think of most as selfish fuckers. There families suffer forever and can take many generations to recover. Often the ones that would be doing the world a favour, hang around to torture others, whilst the good ones are lost.
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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: LunarEclipse]
#23585975 - 08/28/16 07:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Does it matter how it's done? To the suicidal, not really besides how much pain they wish to experience before end.
For the ones left behind, yeah, if you gotta scrub and scrape your husband's brain of the wall and patch the holes, they will probably be silently wishing you had hung yourself. Many cultures find it atrocious to disfigure the face in death.
Lunar eclipse, I agree but suicides don't usually have regard for others, or believe their existence makes others lives worse anyway. People get over death, you can't argue with it, is final. But daily suffering can be just about unlivable, for the person experiencing it and for the others that have to watch and deal.
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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: nuentoter]
#23586090 - 08/28/16 08:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't think you can generalize about suicides like that. In my reading, some are terrified of the pain, some would like to make it look like an accident, some want to send a message, some want to have a faux attempt without actually excessive risk of harm
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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: Crumist]
#23586569 - 08/28/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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True but does the motivation change the perception of the people left behind?
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Re: does the way you kill yourself matter? [Re: nuentoter]
#23586844 - 08/28/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Clearly, blowing your brains out during a screaming match with an ex leaves a different impression than buying a helium tank and leaving a note (and maybe even having an accomplice hide the evidence after your passing
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