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US folks with drug felonies-Advice on degree and job?
    #23568098 - 08/23/16 03:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Was slapped with several Schedule I drug charges a few years ago. After a long, drawn out legal battle I plead down to accepting 1 charge (For a single adderall pill, still a felony) rather than taking it to trial. I ended up with probation and fines, no jail time.

This year I am able to apply for expungement, although I have not set that in motion yet.

My main question is to those with experience in this area, what I should do education and job wise now. While the trial was up in the air, I continued to go to school. I have 2 years completed of a psychology degree, with the plan to change majors. My initial intention was the become an RN, but from what I understand the path will be very difficult to follow with a felony on record. So I guess my questions boil down to:

Is an RN license even worth pursuing with a drug related felony?

Should I say fuck it, do a 180, and go into something like Computer Science instead, for better chances of employment? Also, causing me to spend more money and time in school.

Would expungement actually help my situation if I were to pursue an RN license (And would expungement really help my job prospects in general)? My lawyer has given me ambiguous answers, as my case occurred in a different state.

Any help would be appreciated immensely, as I have been stuck at a crossroads halfway through my degree, unsure of what path to take with my scarlet letter following me.


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Re: US folks with drug felonies-Advice on degree and job? [Re: thebeardguy]
    #23568125 - 08/23/16 04:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Don't bother going into anything medicine-related, including an RN if you have felonies that are still active on your record. They don't even accept physicians with felonies from 20 years ago.

Hospitals already deal with so much addiction problems among the staff, that they are constantly testing them every few weeks, and it costs them so much money to send an employee to rehab or replace them if they're caught. Then they have to deal with malpractice and negligence lawsuits that may have resulted from problems like nurses stealing pain medicine from patients... So they tend to avoid people with these backgrounds for a reason. 

Expungement should help with private employers, but I don't know if RN's are required to pass a state or government background check in order to get their licenses.

I know that with getting my financial license, I had to apply with the state and government agency, which was able to look up all expunged records. So if you had expunged records, you had to disclose all of them. And basically, the only crime they accepted were small crimes like DUIs. They didn't accept drug felonies or anything of that nature.

And in order to get my license to practice financial advising, I had to get this kind of background check through the state done. If I didn't pass the background check, I wouldn't have gotten my license to practice, which means even if I was offered employment at a financial institution, I wouldn't have been able to practice.

Obviously I wouldn't bother looking into anything government-related or anything related to banking or finance, since they are closely tied with organizations that will have access to all your expunged records.

BUT, if you get it expunged, not all hope is lost.

So, I would find out first, what kind of red tape you have to go through to get a nurse. Do you have to apply or get some type of clearance through a state or federal agency to get your license?


Edited by Crystal G (08/23/16 04:35 AM)


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Re: US folks with drug felonies-Advice on degree and job? [Re: thebeardguy]
    #23568130 - 08/23/16 04:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

expunged only means they cannot access it through a basic backround check, but trust me if they care to search they will find it, wether its a financial document (paying a court cost) cost of supervision payment (probation) will pop up and digging further will uncover it, You cannot erase an email/text you send, trust me its always there, you will be pulled over for a taillight out or seatbelt and for no reason there will be multiple cop cars involved before your asked for L/R/PO insurance, then the real reason they stop you, any illegal substances in your vehicle sir? Prescription medications? do you have any weopons on you?CAN WE SEARCH YOUR CAR? This wasnt Tail Light related, it was due to your past still in the system, otherwise the one officer would have issued a ticket and youd be on your way!


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Re: US folks with drug felonies-Advice on degree and job? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23568135 - 08/23/16 04:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I am fairly certain that a state background check occurs at the bare minimum. I've heard the state board of nursing is brutal, too. I've only talked to nurses who have gotten into legal trouble once they already had their license, though. In order to keep a license, you must complete the Recovering Nurse Program. They'll send you to rehab and place you on hair follicle and urine monitoring for anywhere from 1-5 years, amongst those I've spoke with. So I don't know what they do with those who've misstepped prior to a degree, although I can't imagine it's much better.

I guess I'm answering my own question here, then.

Any knowledge of a degree and job worth pursuing with a drug related felony that will be expunged by the time I graduate? I'll do anything anything at this point, besides engineering.


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Re: US folks with drug felonies-Advice on degree and job? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23568137 - 08/23/16 04:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
BUT, if you get it expunged, not all hope is lost.

So, I would find out first, what kind of red tape you have to go through to get a nurse. Do you have to apply or get some type of clearance through a state or federal agency to get your license?




Actually, I take that back. I should state, that you might actually have luck working as an RN for rehab centers. In fact, having past drug problems is strongly preferred among staff, due to the type of patients you will be dealing with. Just be aware that they will be testing you frequently, including surprise urine exams.

I still don't know whether the state board accepts people with felonies or can look up expunged records though. So look this up before you pursue it! I would seriously talk to several professionals in the industry about it. Somebody who would know, maybe a medical-related attorney or somebody who works with the state nursing board? I have no idea who you would possibly ask for this type of question...


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Re: US folks with drug felonies-Advice on degree and job? [Re: thebeardguy]
    #23568152 - 08/23/16 04:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Any knowledge of a degree and job worth pursuing with a drug related felony that will be expunged by the time I graduate? I'll do anything anything at this point, besides engineering.




At this point there's no guarantee your record will be expunged though, right? I mean, are you working with an attorney who has told you there's a very good chance it will be expunged or something?

With that said, if your record does end up being expunged, I would say possession of Adderall is probably not considered too bad, so they still might grant you a license. Provided enough time has passed and you haven't had any slip-ups since then, the state nursing board might see it as being a juvenile mistake.

Now I'm not an expert on this matter though, so I would contact the state nursing licensing board if I were you, and ask them. 1) Can they look up expunged records on a background check, and 2) Is felony possession of Adderall for which you served no jail time something that can be overlooked?

Perhaps if you write the nursing board a letter (along with your application when it's time to apply for the license) stating that you have learned from your mistakes, and would like to go work at a rehab facility to help treat addiction, that will help your case a lot and want to make them grant you the licensee.

I would actually ask for a copy of the background check application, so you know exactly what you need to fill out. There will likely be questions on it stating that expunged records need to be disclosed. They might then ask the nature of what you were charged with, along with the nature of what you were sentenced with, as separate questions. They might ask if you served jail time, or did community service, or things of that nature. I would look at the questionnaire if I were you.

Just know that your drug charge might actually still be considered okay to approve you for a nursing license, since it was for felony possession of a Class C substance. Dig in and find out first!


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Re: US folks with drug felonies-Advice on degree and job? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23568176 - 08/23/16 05:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Any knowledge of a degree and job worth pursuing with a drug related felony that will be expunged by the time I graduate? I'll do anything anything at this point, besides engineering.




At this point there's no guarantee your record will be expunged though, right? I mean, are you working with an attorney who has told you there's a very good chance it will be expunged or something?

With that said, if your record does end up being expunged, I would say possession of Adderall is probably not considered too bad, so they still might grant you a license. Provided enough time has passed and you haven't had any slip-ups since then, the state nursing board might see it as being a juvenile mistake.

Now I'm not an expert on this matter though, so I would contact the state nursing licensing board if I were you, and ask them. 1) Can they look up expunged records on a background check, and 2) Is felony possession of Adderall for which you served no jail time something that can be overlooked?

Perhaps if you write the nursing board a letter (along with your application when it's time to apply for the license) stating that you have learned from your mistakes, and would like to go work at a rehab facility to help treat addiction, that will help your case a lot and want to make them grant you the licensee.




My lawyer has been very confident in that I will be able to get it expunged. I've held down a respectable job throughout my time as a full time student and have monthly urinalysis paperwork going back years.

That was the avenue I have been planning to take, but the nursing license is certainly not a must. I will pursue anything that will be worth my time as a felon, and make me able to provide. Being a felon is a tough thing to inform significant others about, I just want to make sure I am able to assure them that it will not be a significant hinderance to my ability to contribute financially.


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Re: US folks with drug felonies-Advice on degree and job? [Re: thebeardguy]
    #23568192 - 08/23/16 05:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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My lawyer has been very confident in that I will be able to get it expunged. I've held down a respectable job throughout my time as a full time student and have monthly urinalysis paperwork going back years.

That was the avenue I have been planning to take, but the nursing license is certainly not a must. I will pursue anything that will be worth my time as a felon, and make me able to provide. Being a felon is a tough thing to inform significant others about, I just want to make sure I am able to assure them that it will not be a significant hinderance to my ability to contribute financially.




For short-term work I would consider working on an oil rig. You get sent to some place like Alaska making buku money. Something like $50,000 every 3 months or something?

They don't care if you have a criminal record or a high school diploma. They do hair follicle drug testing every now and then though, which traces back to anything you used in the past 3 months or more.

With that said, as long as your record IS expunged (which it sounds like it will be), that would make you eligible to work in any private sector that doesn't require state or federal licensing or background investigation. Computer science would be good. Sales and marketing would be good. Architecture is good. Being a hair stylist is good. Being a journalist is good. Working corporate jobs is good. You can still do a lot of things.


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Re: US folks with drug felonies-Advice on degree and job? [Re: thebeardguy]
    #23568233 - 08/23/16 06:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I know plenty of people with IT/computer science degrees with felony drug charges that had no problem getting a job.


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Re: US folks with drug felonies-Advice on degree and job? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23568240 - 08/23/16 06:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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For short-term work I would consider working on an oil rig. You get sent to some place like Alaska making buku money. Something like $50,000 every 3 months or something?

They don't care if you have a criminal record or a high school diploma. They do hair follicle drug testing every now and then though, which traces back to anything you used in the past 3 months or more.

With that said, as long as your record IS expunged (which it sounds like it will be), that would make you eligible to work in any private sector that doesn't require state or federal licensing or background investigation. Computer science would be good. Sales and marketing would be good. Architecture is good. Being a hair stylist is good. Being a journalist is good. Working corporate jobs is good. You can still do a lot of things.




Thanks, man. Felon friendly options and degrees were what I was looking for. One more question; say I am getting interviewed in the private sector, after getting an expungement...if they ask if I am a felon can I say no at that point? I realize that technically I still would be, but being that they would not be after able to see the record, it shouldn't be an issue, right? I know many employers that will write you off immediately, regardless of the situation if you admit to it.


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Re: US folks with drug felonies-Advice on degree and job? [Re: fapjack]
    #23568243 - 08/23/16 06:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah software development they wouldn't care, if you are good. I mean, anywhere could overlook it. If it's in the past seven years though it'll come up on the background check.


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Re: US folks with drug felonies-Advice on degree and job? [Re: thebeardguy]
    #23568248 - 08/23/16 06:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Crystal G said:

For short-term work I would consider working on an oil rig. You get sent to some place like Alaska making buku money. Something like $50,000 every 3 months or something?

They don't care if you have a criminal record or a high school diploma. They do hair follicle drug testing every now and then though, which traces back to anything you used in the past 3 months or more.

With that said, as long as your record IS expunged (which it sounds like it will be), that would make you eligible to work in any private sector that doesn't require state or federal licensing or background investigation. Computer science would be good. Sales and marketing would be good. Architecture is good. Being a hair stylist is good. Being a journalist is good. Working corporate jobs is good. You can still do a lot of things.




Thanks, man. Felon friendly options and degrees were what I was looking for. One more question; say I am getting interviewed in the private sector, after getting an expungement...if they ask if I am a felon can I say no at that point? I realize that technically I still would be, but being that they would not be after able to see the record, it shouldn't be an issue, right? I know many employers that will write you off immediately, regardless of the situation if you admit to it.




You would say "no".

That's the point of getting it expunged...

Don't get all honest Abe about this it's a job application.

If they somehow found out, tell them it's expunged and you didn't want someone to be discriminatory about it. TBH, it isn't their business in the first place. They won't get it unless from social media or whatever.


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Re: US folks with drug felonies-Advice on degree and job? [Re: thebeardguy]
    #23568610 - 08/23/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Coding, trades, and restaurants

That's where the money is.  The employers in those fields mainly care about your skills and don't care too much about backgrounds.


Pick up a phone book and call all the elextrical and metal fab contractors and say you want work and want to learn.  Show up on time and be dependable. 

If you want an easy desk job that pays well and isn't much work then good luck.  You're pretty much fucked


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    #23568737 - 08/23/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: US folks with drug felonies-Advice on degree and job? [Re: Sheekle]
    #23568747 - 08/23/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: US folks with drug felonies-Advice on degree and job? [Re: Sheekle]
    #23568777 - 08/23/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: US folks with drug felonies-Advice on degree and job? [Re: micro]
    #23568779 - 08/23/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah software development they wouldn't care, if you are good. I mean, anywhere could overlook it. If it's in the past seven years though it'll come up on the background check.




Seven years is really only if you need to get a ts/sci clearance for government work. I don't know anyone outside of information security that needed to get a ts/sci fsp background check for their job.


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Re: US folks with drug felonies-Advice on degree and job? [Re: nakano]
    #23568785 - 08/23/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: US folks with drug felonies-Advice on degree and job? [Re: thebeardguy]
    #23568951 - 08/23/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Go into addictions counselling. That way you can use your drug past to your advantage by saying you understand what people are going through and turned your life around .


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Re: US folks with drug felonies-Advice on degree and job? [Re: thebeardguy]
    #23569181 - 08/23/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Trades. Welding, plumbing, electrical, wind turbine tech, sheet metal, machinist, sprinkler installer, heavy duty mechanic.

There are so many trades that will pay you more than $25/hr after a year or two.

More co-workers of mine than not are multiple felons, have spent time in jail, don't have their highschool diploma, have to pay child support, or don't have drivers licences and make more than $30/hr.


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