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" b a d "
    #23567455 - 08/22/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Are there psychological repercussions for constantly using the word "bad" to describe undesirable aspects of life?

I had a bad day.

I have a bad cold.

The traffic was bad.

They had a bad marriage.

The service at the restaurant was bad.

My son got bad grades in school.

He has a problem with bad behavior.

The leftovers have gone bad.

I quit because I had a bad boss.

The weather was very bad.

I have many bad habits.


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Re: " b a d " [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23567532 - 08/22/16 09:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Trump is very bad.


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Re: " b a d " [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #23567549 - 08/22/16 09:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Adolf Hitler was very very bad.


Therefore Hitler trumps Donald.


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Re: " b a d " [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #23567761 - 08/22/16 11:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I would say that if you use the word 'bad' a lot then its more likely a consequence of an already depressed mind (or an unlucky life). I wouldn't worry about what the word is doing to you.


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Re: " b a d " [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #23567884 - 08/23/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Are there psychological repercussions for constantly using the word "bad" to describe undesirable aspects of life?






There are.

And they're not good.


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Re: " b a d " [Re: DisoRDeR] * 2
    #23568487 - 08/23/16 08:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

words are magic. they cause changes in vibration. words + voice = magic spell. a vow of silence will raise awareness of this energy.


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Re: " b a d " [Re: nothing exists]
    #23569634 - 08/23/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

God is in the word.


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Re: " b a d " [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #23570270 - 08/23/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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RJ Tubs 202 said:
Are there psychological repercussions for constantly using the word "bad" to describe undesirable aspects of life?

I had a bad day.

I have a bad cold.

The traffic was bad.

They had a bad marriage.

The service at the restaurant was bad.

My son got bad grades in school.

He has a problem with bad behavior.

The leftovers have gone bad.

I quit because I had a bad boss.

The weather was very bad.

I have many bad habits.





before you even get to the adjectives some would say there is a problem.
if you haven't heard of e-prime you might find it a little interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Prime

'E-Prime (short for English-Prime, sometimes denoted É or E′) operates as a version of the English language that excludes all forms of the verb to be. E-Prime does not allow the conjugations of to be—be, am, is, are, was, were, been, being—the archaic forms of to be (e.g. art, wast, wert), or the contractions of to be—'m, 's, 're (e.g. I'm, he's, she's, they're).

Some scholars advocate using E-Prime as a device to clarify thinking and strengthen writing.[1] For example, the sentence "the film was good" could not be expressed under the rules of E-Prime, and the speaker might instead say "I liked the film" or "the film made me laugh". The E-Prime versions communicate the writer's experience rather than judgment, making it harder for the writer or reader to confuse opinion with fact.

Kellogg and Bourland use the term "Deity mode of speech" to refer to misuse of the verb to be, which "allows even the most ignorant to transform their opinions magically into god-like pronouncements on the nature of things".[2]'

http://www.bing.com/search?q=e-prime&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=e-prime&sc=8-7&sp=-1&sk=&cvid=431A48C2CD124216A0DBA5F807725F4C


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Re: " b a d " [Re: laughingdog]
    #23570453 - 08/23/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, E-prime seems like a lot of fun, but it can get difficult to compose things without that infamous verb.  RAW wrote an entire book in E-prime once (Quantum Psychology).  This post has been written in E-prime.  You've really got to think about it at times.  It seems to go almost like a vow of silence must go, only on a much less difficult level.  Getting the "is of identity" out of one's language equates to quite a task; it has become utterly ingrained in English-speaking minds.  We make stark declarations all the time that pass through our awareness without notice.  Writing in E-prime really sharpens brain muscles and appears very constructive.

This reminds me of the quote of Count Alfred Korzybski:  "Whatever you say a thing is, it isn't."


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Re: " b a d " [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23570806 - 08/23/16 09:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This post is not in E-Prime. :highdog:


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Re: " b a d " [Re: laughingdog]
    #23570931 - 08/23/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Kellogg and Bourland use the term "Deity mode of speech" to refer to misuse of the verb to be, which "allows even the most ignorant to transform their opinions magically into god-like pronouncements on the nature of things."




Fascinating!    No, I have not heard of E-Prime.

So, in the past I sometimes corrected my skewed semantics and changed,

"The traffic was bad" to, "The traffic was inconvenient."

But an E-prime version might be, "I felt irritated while I waited in traffic".

Is there a software upgrade for my mind?


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Re: " b a d " [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23571052 - 08/23/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Is there a software upgrade for my mind?




tell me if you find one


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Re: " b a d " [Re: laughingdog]
    #23572256 - 08/24/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Properly applied willpower over a duration.


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Re: " b a d " [Re: DisoRDeR]
    #23578504 - 08/26/16 03:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

"And they're not good."

Nice way of dodging a certain word.


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Re: " b a d " [Re: supremeshiva]
    #23583583 - 08/27/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

NLP 101 is knowing that negative words bring negative emotion, consciously or subconsciously, but 'bad' is far from being regarded as the least, most beautiful and delightful words that can be spoken.

You can a monitor the mental health of a person by their speech in the same way you can observe it by looking at the state of their kitchen.

If you haven't already watched, look out for Tony Robbins 'I am your Guru' on Netflix.  This person as a supposed psychological motivator (who has written good books granted) yet he's become the most mentally unstable person I've seen in the field of the subject.  The language and body used suggests possession and serves as the ultimate hypocrisy.  Far from beautiful, yet wishing him a sleek and swift recovery.

Treat your speech like song. Major chords are key.  Minors will only drive and perpetuate depression.  Keep things stunning charming and enchanting and you'll be the envy of those in the trenches of the doldrums who, by your efforts, you'll uplift by default.

When in doubt, change your lingo, because it's shaping you like a mad potter. :thumbup:


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Re: " b a d " [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23584079 - 08/27/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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NLP 101 is knowing that negative words bring negative emotion, consciously or subconsciously, but 'bad' is far from being regarded as the least, most beautiful and delightful words that can be spoken.

You can a monitor the mental health of a person by their speech in the same way you can observe it by looking at the state of their kitchen.

If you haven't already watched, look out for Tony Robbins 'I am your Guru' on Netflix.  This person as a supposed psychological motivator (who has written good books granted) yet he's become the most mentally unstable person I've seen in the field of the subject.  The language and body used suggests possession and serves as the ultimate hypocrisy.  Far from beautiful, yet wishing him a sleek and swift recovery.

Treat your speech like song. Major chords are key.  Minors will only drive and perpetuate depression.  Keep things stunning charming and enchanting and you'll be the envy of those in the trenches of the doldrums who, by your efforts, you'll uplift by default.

When in doubt, change your lingo, because it's shaping you like a mad potter. :thumbup:





You can play all the subjective games you want in your head, it's not going to change the objective reality which is composed of both good/bad.

You can deny bad exists and play linguistic games. You can fool a fool who is looking for a pick-me-up positive. You can't fool reality.

You cannot definitively monitor anyone as your 'monitoring' is conducted through your own personal and flawed subjective precepts of the world. A woman's capability to thwart your monitoring of her internal state is one of the best examples of this. Wake me up when there's a definitive book written on how to accurately 'monitor'(read) women.

'Bad' is one of the components of this manner of creation we exist in and its partially what keeps this show going. People who deny this will always fail to grasp a deeper understanding of reality. In some cases, maybe that's a good thing.

However, please don't proclaim this personal survival skill as objective reality. Please don't trivialize reality in this manner.

You can hack your awareness of reality and tune it towards flowery positive thoughts with NLP and other tricks and hope your wall is always strong enough to counter reality
or
You can embrace and try to understand objective reality which is composed of good/bad and be grounded in the natural order and intermingling of the two.

NLP positive pete is usually the person who has the mental breakdown when objective reality breaks through the unrealistic firewall they fashioned for themselves which is one of the reasons why its very dangerous for such individuals to experiment with the opening of certain 'passageways' in their brain. Suddenly that 'reality' they have been avoiding comes rushing in all at once w/ them having no constructs to navigate it.

Speaking of songs and majors ....


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Re: " b a d " [Re: yeah]
    #23584091 - 08/27/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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yeah said:
Properly applied willpower over a duration.



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Re: " b a d " [Re: iiilil]
    #23584138 - 08/27/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think it perpetuates the concept that some things are inherently good while others are inherently bad, rather than that thing is neutral and your perception of it is instead what shades your experience of that thing as good or bad.



Over use of it I would think would tend to Jade the user to the core idea of good and bad. Like the weather, it is never either, it just is, but seeing a rainy day as a day of bad weather would lend a certain negativity to the entire day, being overshadowed by being inherently "bad". When it is simply unfavorable. But through over use bad doesn't mean that bad and that negativity being bad is more acceptable. Jaded.


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Re: " b a d " [Re: nuentoter]
    #23584235 - 08/27/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I think it perpetuates the concept that some things are inherently good while others are inherently bad, rather than that thing is neutral and your perception of it is instead what shades your experience of that thing as good or bad.

Over use of it I would think would tend to Jade the user to the core idea of good and bad. Like the weather, it is never either, it just is, but seeing a rainy day as a day of bad weather would lend a certain negativity to the entire day, being overshadowed by being inherently "bad". When it is simply unfavorable. But through over use bad doesn't mean that bad and that negativity being bad is more acceptable. Jaded.




I mean, to this point sure and if Duncan was communicating this than sure... However, that is because good/bad are absolute terms. One should avoid speaking in terms of absolutes. That is the core reason why neither good/bad should be used frequently.

Rarely do we have lines to perceive such absolution thus why one should avoid speaking in terms of them.

That being said, one can still comment about them when 'digging deeper'...

If someone is a liar.. they're a liar
If someone kills someone for no reason .. that's fucked up and wrong.
If someone is selfish.. they're selfish.

Digging deeper, you see the above obviously doesn't spring from 'good'. They spring and come forth from bad. See how that works?

There is a deeper metaphysical fork to this as well. There's a reason why binary was a breakthrough in conceptualizing the world
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    #23586418 - 08/28/16 10:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

True 'good' is the very essence of your being. It isn't based upon opinion because it's something you have no control over. It is an inheritance of the Godhead which is an unmalleable dictation.  Until it's found, one will never know, but when discover it, there is absolutely no questioning its purity and 'bads' stand prominent.  The earthly 'bads' are so called because they are falsehood to the core truth. This is the key point. They are a stark contrast against, a true absolute (light / truth / good).  The more connected one is with the truth, the more readily they can identify the bad (the 'sin') and dispel or identify it as that, as ready as a stomach regurgitating rotten food.

To become hung up on the notion, that only the extremes (such as murder) are the 'bads' is a mistake.  Our daily, seemingly innocent traits can too be unknowingly destructive and our condition of personality can be too.  Literally anything that blocks the channel of light (good) is a sin (a bad - 'wrong mindedness' by definition.  Too much lust, as an example (worship of material) blocks the light slipstream.

Despite the philosophy that some people have that we live in total chaos and everything is subjective, it actually isn't. The anchor of truth is buried inside of us which, to use another metaphor, serves a moral compass.  Whether people acknowledge it or not, it is there and it's guiding the higher self.  Once discovered, it renders the person 'found', having previously been lost.

Positive thinking (and reflective action) on this plane can transform a condiction of living entirely. It is the first link in the productive chain from mind to manifest, it is the door to the Great Library and the Key to the Kingdom.

As stated, keep the majors sounding.  It's through this practice in which the aforementioned good light is found, after which time it becomes second nature as a behaviour of expressing the good truth. Even utterance of this truth, rewards onself tenfold.




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Re: " b a d " [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23586471 - 08/28/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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True 'good' is the very essence of your being and it's is not based on opinion because it's something you have no control over. Until it's found, one will never know, but when they do, there is absolutely no questioning its purity.  The earthly 'bads' are so called because they are falsehood to the core truth. This is the key point. It's is a contrast against, a true absolute (light / truth / good).

Positive thinking on this plane can transform a condiction of living entirely. It is the first link in the productive chain from mind to manifest.

As stated, keep the majors sounding.  It's through this practice in which the aforementioned good light is found, after which time it becomes second nature as a behaviour of expressing the good truth. Even utterance of this truth, rewards onself tenfold. :wink:




I would really like you to give a deeper detail of this. I know, from your interpretation of the big bang, that you can.

What do you think is the prologue to this story? How falsehood to the core truth came to be interwoven into this 'existence'? Do you posit that 'bad' isn't a necessary component of free-will and the creation we find ourselves in?

Have you ever 'perceived' this light whereby you 'cease'?


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Re: " b a d " [Re: iiilil]
    #23586587 - 08/28/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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iiilil said:
Quote:

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True 'good' is the very essence of your being and it's is not based on opinion because it's something you have no control over. Until it's found, one will never know, but when they do, there is absolutely no questioning its purity.  The earthly 'bads' are so called because they are falsehood to the core truth. This is the key point. It's is a contrast against, a true absolute (light / truth / good).

Positive thinking on this plane can transform a condiction of living entirely. It is the first link in the productive chain from mind to manifest.

As stated, keep the majors sounding.  It's through this practice in which the aforementioned good light is found, after which time it becomes second nature as a behaviour of expressing the good truth. Even utterance of this truth, rewards onself tenfold. :wink:




I would really like you to give a deeper detail of this. I know, from your interpretation of the big bang, that you can.

What do you think is the prologue to this story? How falsehood to the core truth came to be interwoven into this 'existence'? Do you posit that 'bad' isn't a necessary component of free-will and the creation we find ourselves in?

Have you ever 'perceived' this light whereby you 'cease'?




The manifest of the material plane itself is, in contrast to the pure, totality of the good, 'God', bad in comparison, hence it being labelled as a the 'fall'.  It's a demotion from something far, far greater, but a necessary one for its purpose of understanding and forming a greater relationship with the Godhead.

The dispersement is the dissection (of the whole) to enable us to analyse in detail the components of the all and to experience the 'other' - the Bad.  Experience and comprehension of the bad highlights the great good of the Godhead by contrast principle and demostrates the solemn duty of the Godhead to maintain Himself (which is all of us), as this great good.

On return, through deeper understanding and practice, we, as the components of the Godhead, create a more powerful Godhead, which exubarates much greater power.  Human growth, physical and mental, is iconic, that God too (all of us combined) is not a fixed entity, but one that is growing and evolving too and the earthly 'life' process is part of this.

Can you elaborate upon 'ceasing' please since I didn't understand.


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Re: In God [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23586948 - 08/28/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

In regards to your video, the saint Nick Burrin has said that Christ must for now and forever be remembered by The Resurrection and not The Crucifixion. I do not mean to correct but I want this knowledge published on this forum.

It's about the fact that Christ had came here to do a job, and that we should not feel guilty about this mission he accomplished. We should feel proud in remembrance of his triumph over death.


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    #23586964 - 08/28/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting words Duncan!


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    #23587120 - 08/28/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Interesting words Duncan!




:thumbup:

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In regards to your video, the saint Nick Burrin has said that Christ must for now and forever be remembered by The Resurrection and not The Crucifixion. I do not mean to correct but I want this knowledge published on this forum.

It's about the fact that Christ had came here to do a job, and that we should not feel guilty about this mission he accomplished. We should feel proud in remembrance of his triumph over death.




My video is the Amazing Grace song. At least it should be, so I'm unsure how this corellates, but I agree with what you've said regardless.

The crucifix is symbolic of mankinds sin and the resurrection is symbolic of the eternal spirit.

It's good done through exposure to bad.


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Re: " b a d " [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23587131 - 08/28/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The manifest of the material plane itself is, in contrast to the pure, totality of the good, 'God', bad in comparison, hence it being labelled as a the 'fall'.  It's a demotion from something far, far greater, but a necessary one for its purpose of understanding and forming a greater relationship with the Godhead.




Ah' !! there you go Duncan. I knew you had it in you.
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The dispersement is the dissection (of the whole) to enable us to analyse in detail the components of the all



And what do you think functions as the partitions and dissections of the whole and infinite?

Hint! You were on to it :
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and to experience the 'other' - the Bad.





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Experience and comprehension of the bad highlights the great good of the Godhead by contrast principle and demostrates the solemn duty of the Godhead to maintain Himself (which is all of us), as this great good.




As is the terminology : A necessary evil.

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On return, through deeper understanding and practice, we, as the components of the Godhead, create a more powerful Godhead, which exubarates much greater power.




A cycle that we have 'all' potentially been through before albeit in different form. A prologue of sorts that resonates in remembrance for some... maybe as a gift ... maybe as a curse.

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Human growth, physical and mental, is iconic, that God too (all of us combined) is not a fixed entity, but one that is growing and evolving too and the earthly 'life' process is part of this.

Can you elaborate upon 'ceasing' please since I didn't understand.




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If one experiences it, they'll know
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Re: " b a d " [Re: iiilil]
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Re: In God [Re: iiilil]
    #23587228 - 08/28/16 03:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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And what do you think functions as the partitions and dissections of the whole and infinite?

Hint! You were on to it :


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In the infinite, bad can be so, yet the Godhead does not contain it. It is a work of man and lower sphere entities, manifested through the liberty of creation. A bag of clay is not a pot without intervention.

I reached only for an elaboration of the term you used, but I comprehend if 'ceasing' (as you so called it) refers to retirement of the physical body, whilst the spirit enters into the holy, eternal suspension.


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Re: In God [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23587299 - 08/28/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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In the infinite, bad can be so, yet the Godhead does not contain it.




You mistake my commentary which is why I have detailed it before.

Creation necessitates separation from the godhead and perfection : Partitioning, dissections, disbursements. The ability of such partitions to make free-will'd choices against that which is perfect requires even further partitioning and dissections. This 'bad' that you speak of are thus necessary alley ways between the more infinite structures that tower above. It is the gap that establishes and demarcates this from that.

So, while the godhead does not maintain it, quite clearly this manner of creation does and it is one of the aspects that grants the 'partitions' their fidelity of choice.

A necessary evil and sacrifice was seemingly arranged in the prologue to creation to then thus form this analogue.

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It is a work of man and lower sphere entities, manifested through the liberty of creation. A bag of clay is not a pot without intervention.




As thus in your own words......
Good to see that you have words for it
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I reached only for an elaboration of the term you used, but I comprehend if 'ceasing' (as you so called it) refers to retirement of the physical body, whilst the spirit enters into the holy, eternal suspension.




Ah! :smile2: Indeed! Since you seem to have perceptions as such, albeit in your own language, How exactly do you think the good is separated from the bad in the end so as to be reunified with perfection in the godhead?

Without judgement and discernment between what is and isn't, how exactly do you think this miraculous process occurs?

You're hitting it out of the park so far. So, lets wrap this up....


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Re: In God [Re: iiilil]
    #23587375 - 08/28/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No further dispersement is necessary for the creator to create against the essence of the Godhead. It is the level of free-willed creation and nothing created returns, since they are, in essence, mere thoughts.

We're still without elaboration of term ceasing', but to address the tangent; no process occurs. A process is relevant to time. The eternal is timeless, it is already so, as is atonement and the light is the only thing that is and every was. The only thing that 'returns' is the thing that already is.

Unperceived, the bad is extinguished. The Prodigal Son didn't drag in dirt on the shoe.

Quite simply, considering the linear time / eternity paradox, the universe and every creation ends when you stop perceiving it.


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Re: In God [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23587540 - 08/28/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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No further dispersement is necessary for the creator to create against the essence of the Godhead. It is the level of free-willed creation and nothing created returns, since they are, in essence, mere thoughts.




So, all is good....
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We're still without elaboration of term ceasing', but to address the tangent; no process occurs. A process is relevant to time. The eternal is timeless, it is already so, as is atonement and the light is the only thing that is and every was. The only thing that 'returns' is the thing that already is.




I really wish you understood the consequential and casual nature that underlies such commentary ....

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Unperceived, the bad is extinguished.




Something must exist in order to be perceived. Thoughts are with consequence as they must be casted into a 'medium' to be perceived and that requires dispensations.

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The Prodigal Son didn't drag in dirt on the shoe.





Quite so in a return to perfection. However, what brought the 'dirt' into this manner of creation and from whence did it come?

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Quite simply, considering the linear time / eternity paradox, the universe and every creation ends when you stop perceiving it.




A thought may end when the thinker moves away from perceiving it for they no longer cast the tuned energy/connection into a medium necessary to sustain it. However, certain thoughts press more deeply into the medium than others. Such thoughts reverberate and 'echo' throughout such a medium causing ripples that transcend linear perceptions and time. Thus, the concept of the infinite/eternal. This span of creation known as the universe was quite the cast and required quite the energy as you can imagine. The ripples for which span a percept of time beyond one's linear comprehension and thus seem paradoxical, not pre-determined, and infinite.

You mistake the medium, the interface, and the consequences of these 'rendered' thoughts..
You maintain that all is good and when clearly, it is not. Take a look around.

Only 'some' is good and that which is not serves as the backdrop of perception.
It is in such relativity that we find ourselves placed at the interface.

A 'return' of sorts is said to be in order and I think you mistake its nature and process.
You maintain even that there is no process. In doing so, you maintain that all is good.
Clearly it is not.

'The light' and ceasing can speak to this commentary.
Maybe it is easier to perceive with more darkness.


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Re: In God [Re: iiilil]
    #23587666 - 08/28/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If you reread my posts, you'll potentially gain an understanding of what has previosly been covered and in turn, you'll be able to answer the questions you pose. You seem like a smart individual who has a basic grasp of theology and so, I've got every confidence you'll find what you seek. :thumbup:

The more true we are, without inner battle to be correct (the sin of pride), the greater capacity we have to receive the correct information. Intruigingly, it's received with a laughable obviousness which never 'ceases' to raise a smile to the scribe.



Out of respect of avoiding falling foul of that sin, I must leave the study to your own perusal with confidence that you'll find your answers.


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    #23587710 - 08/28/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If you reread my posts, you'll potentially gain an understanding of what has previosly been covered and in turn, you'll be able to answer the questions you pose. You seem like a smart individual who has a basic grasp of theology and so, I've got every confidence you'll find what you seek. :thumbup:

The more true we are, without inner battle to be correct (the sin of pride), the greater capacity we have to receive the correct information. Intruigingly, it's received with a laughable obviousness which never 'ceases' to raise a smile to the scribe.



Out of respect of avoiding falling foul of that sin, I must leave the study to your own perusal with confidence that you'll find your answers.





Ah', i felt it coming to this but wanted to push it just a little bit further :smile2:

Thank you for this exchange Duncan !
I love you :heart:
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    #23590194 - 08/29/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Adolf Hitler was very very bad.


Therefore Hitler trumps Donald.



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    #23591199 - 08/29/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You can play all the subjective games you want in your head, it's not going to change the objective reality which is composed of both good/bad.
. . .

If someone is a liar.. they're a liar
If someone kills someone for no reason .. that's fucked up and wrong.
If someone is selfish.. they're selfish.

Digging deeper, you see the above obviously doesn't spring from 'good'. They spring and come forth from bad. See how that works?




No, I don't see how that works.

Someone who murders is experiencing extreme suffering.

A selfish person is experiencing suffering. 

Are you claiming that suffering is "bad"?

You seem to be assigning the word "bad" to your perspective of undesirable aspects of reality.

Judgement is how ego creates self-identification. It's an addiction for many people.


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    #23591595 - 08/29/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You can play all the subjective games you want in your head, it's not going to change the objective reality which is composed of both good/bad.
. . .

If someone is a liar.. they're a liar
If someone kills someone for no reason .. that's fucked up and wrong.
If someone is selfish.. they're selfish.

Digging deeper, you see the above obviously doesn't spring from 'good'. They spring and come forth from bad. See how that works?




No, I don't see how that works.

Someone who murders is experiencing extreme suffering.

A selfish person is experiencing suffering. 

Are you claiming that suffering is "bad"?

You seem to be assigning the word "bad" to your perspective of undesirable aspects of reality.

Judgement is how ego creates self-identification. It's an addiction for many people.




i agree except I personally equate to life inherently containing pain. suffering I equate more to when individuals linger on that pain for one reason or another that is unnecessary.


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    #23595668 - 08/30/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i agree except I personally equate to life inherently containing pain. suffering I equate more to when individuals linger on that pain for one reason or another that is unnecessary.




I agree with that perspective.

Do you think selfishness is a form of suffering?

For example, do you think a married spouse who cheats is suffering?


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    #23597734 - 08/31/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No I think a married spouse who cheats was lying to themselves when they got married, and the faithful one in the couple probably going to experience pain from it, probably suffering.

Selfishness is simply ego allowed to flower after being fed.


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Re: " b a d " [Re: nuentoter]
    #23606646 - 09/02/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So you think a spouse who cheats said a lie when they proclaimed their vow?

Their promise was a lie?          How interesting.

From the statistics, it appears many people lie to themselves. And to spouses.


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