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Re: " b a d " [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23586471 - 08/28/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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True 'good' is the very essence of your being and it's is not based on opinion because it's something you have no control over. Until it's found, one will never know, but when they do, there is absolutely no questioning its purity.  The earthly 'bads' are so called because they are falsehood to the core truth. This is the key point. It's is a contrast against, a true absolute (light / truth / good).

Positive thinking on this plane can transform a condiction of living entirely. It is the first link in the productive chain from mind to manifest.

As stated, keep the majors sounding.  It's through this practice in which the aforementioned good light is found, after which time it becomes second nature as a behaviour of expressing the good truth. Even utterance of this truth, rewards onself tenfold. :wink:




I would really like you to give a deeper detail of this. I know, from your interpretation of the big bang, that you can.

What do you think is the prologue to this story? How falsehood to the core truth came to be interwoven into this 'existence'? Do you posit that 'bad' isn't a necessary component of free-will and the creation we find ourselves in?

Have you ever 'perceived' this light whereby you 'cease'?


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Re: " b a d " [Re: iiilil]
    #23586587 - 08/28/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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True 'good' is the very essence of your being and it's is not based on opinion because it's something you have no control over. Until it's found, one will never know, but when they do, there is absolutely no questioning its purity.  The earthly 'bads' are so called because they are falsehood to the core truth. This is the key point. It's is a contrast against, a true absolute (light / truth / good).

Positive thinking on this plane can transform a condiction of living entirely. It is the first link in the productive chain from mind to manifest.

As stated, keep the majors sounding.  It's through this practice in which the aforementioned good light is found, after which time it becomes second nature as a behaviour of expressing the good truth. Even utterance of this truth, rewards onself tenfold. :wink:




I would really like you to give a deeper detail of this. I know, from your interpretation of the big bang, that you can.

What do you think is the prologue to this story? How falsehood to the core truth came to be interwoven into this 'existence'? Do you posit that 'bad' isn't a necessary component of free-will and the creation we find ourselves in?

Have you ever 'perceived' this light whereby you 'cease'?




The manifest of the material plane itself is, in contrast to the pure, totality of the good, 'God', bad in comparison, hence it being labelled as a the 'fall'.  It's a demotion from something far, far greater, but a necessary one for its purpose of understanding and forming a greater relationship with the Godhead.

The dispersement is the dissection (of the whole) to enable us to analyse in detail the components of the all and to experience the 'other' - the Bad.  Experience and comprehension of the bad highlights the great good of the Godhead by contrast principle and demostrates the solemn duty of the Godhead to maintain Himself (which is all of us), as this great good.

On return, through deeper understanding and practice, we, as the components of the Godhead, create a more powerful Godhead, which exubarates much greater power.  Human growth, physical and mental, is iconic, that God too (all of us combined) is not a fixed entity, but one that is growing and evolving too and the earthly 'life' process is part of this.

Can you elaborate upon 'ceasing' please since I didn't understand.


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Re: In God [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23586948 - 08/28/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

In regards to your video, the saint Nick Burrin has said that Christ must for now and forever be remembered by The Resurrection and not The Crucifixion. I do not mean to correct but I want this knowledge published on this forum.

It's about the fact that Christ had came here to do a job, and that we should not feel guilty about this mission he accomplished. We should feel proud in remembrance of his triumph over death.


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Re: In God [Re: yeah]
    #23586964 - 08/28/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting words Duncan!


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Re: In God [Re: yeah]
    #23587120 - 08/28/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Interesting words Duncan!




:thumbup:

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In regards to your video, the saint Nick Burrin has said that Christ must for now and forever be remembered by The Resurrection and not The Crucifixion. I do not mean to correct but I want this knowledge published on this forum.

It's about the fact that Christ had came here to do a job, and that we should not feel guilty about this mission he accomplished. We should feel proud in remembrance of his triumph over death.




My video is the Amazing Grace song. At least it should be, so I'm unsure how this corellates, but I agree with what you've said regardless.

The crucifix is symbolic of mankinds sin and the resurrection is symbolic of the eternal spirit.

It's good done through exposure to bad.


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Re: " b a d " [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23587131 - 08/28/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The manifest of the material plane itself is, in contrast to the pure, totality of the good, 'God', bad in comparison, hence it being labelled as a the 'fall'.  It's a demotion from something far, far greater, but a necessary one for its purpose of understanding and forming a greater relationship with the Godhead.




Ah' !! there you go Duncan. I knew you had it in you.
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The dispersement is the dissection (of the whole) to enable us to analyse in detail the components of the all



And what do you think functions as the partitions and dissections of the whole and infinite?

Hint! You were on to it :
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and to experience the 'other' - the Bad.





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Experience and comprehension of the bad highlights the great good of the Godhead by contrast principle and demostrates the solemn duty of the Godhead to maintain Himself (which is all of us), as this great good.




As is the terminology : A necessary evil.

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On return, through deeper understanding and practice, we, as the components of the Godhead, create a more powerful Godhead, which exubarates much greater power.




A cycle that we have 'all' potentially been through before albeit in different form. A prologue of sorts that resonates in remembrance for some... maybe as a gift ... maybe as a curse.

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Human growth, physical and mental, is iconic, that God too (all of us combined) is not a fixed entity, but one that is growing and evolving too and the earthly 'life' process is part of this.

Can you elaborate upon 'ceasing' please since I didn't understand.




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If one experiences it, they'll know
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Re: " b a d " [Re: iiilil]
    #23587167 - 08/28/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: In God [Re: iiilil]
    #23587228 - 08/28/16 03:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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And what do you think functions as the partitions and dissections of the whole and infinite?

Hint! You were on to it :


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In the infinite, bad can be so, yet the Godhead does not contain it. It is a work of man and lower sphere entities, manifested through the liberty of creation. A bag of clay is not a pot without intervention.

I reached only for an elaboration of the term you used, but I comprehend if 'ceasing' (as you so called it) refers to retirement of the physical body, whilst the spirit enters into the holy, eternal suspension.


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Re: In God [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23587299 - 08/28/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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In the infinite, bad can be so, yet the Godhead does not contain it.




You mistake my commentary which is why I have detailed it before.

Creation necessitates separation from the godhead and perfection : Partitioning, dissections, disbursements. The ability of such partitions to make free-will'd choices against that which is perfect requires even further partitioning and dissections. This 'bad' that you speak of are thus necessary alley ways between the more infinite structures that tower above. It is the gap that establishes and demarcates this from that.

So, while the godhead does not maintain it, quite clearly this manner of creation does and it is one of the aspects that grants the 'partitions' their fidelity of choice.

A necessary evil and sacrifice was seemingly arranged in the prologue to creation to then thus form this analogue.

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It is a work of man and lower sphere entities, manifested through the liberty of creation. A bag of clay is not a pot without intervention.




As thus in your own words......
Good to see that you have words for it
:nicesmile:



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I reached only for an elaboration of the term you used, but I comprehend if 'ceasing' (as you so called it) refers to retirement of the physical body, whilst the spirit enters into the holy, eternal suspension.




Ah! :smile2: Indeed! Since you seem to have perceptions as such, albeit in your own language, How exactly do you think the good is separated from the bad in the end so as to be reunified with perfection in the godhead?

Without judgement and discernment between what is and isn't, how exactly do you think this miraculous process occurs?

You're hitting it out of the park so far. So, lets wrap this up....


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Re: In God [Re: iiilil]
    #23587375 - 08/28/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No further dispersement is necessary for the creator to create against the essence of the Godhead. It is the level of free-willed creation and nothing created returns, since they are, in essence, mere thoughts.

We're still without elaboration of term ceasing', but to address the tangent; no process occurs. A process is relevant to time. The eternal is timeless, it is already so, as is atonement and the light is the only thing that is and every was. The only thing that 'returns' is the thing that already is.

Unperceived, the bad is extinguished. The Prodigal Son didn't drag in dirt on the shoe.

Quite simply, considering the linear time / eternity paradox, the universe and every creation ends when you stop perceiving it.


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Re: In God [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23587540 - 08/28/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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No further dispersement is necessary for the creator to create against the essence of the Godhead. It is the level of free-willed creation and nothing created returns, since they are, in essence, mere thoughts.




So, all is good....
:nicesmile:

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We're still without elaboration of term ceasing', but to address the tangent; no process occurs. A process is relevant to time. The eternal is timeless, it is already so, as is atonement and the light is the only thing that is and every was. The only thing that 'returns' is the thing that already is.




I really wish you understood the consequential and casual nature that underlies such commentary ....

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Unperceived, the bad is extinguished.




Something must exist in order to be perceived. Thoughts are with consequence as they must be casted into a 'medium' to be perceived and that requires dispensations.

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The Prodigal Son didn't drag in dirt on the shoe.





Quite so in a return to perfection. However, what brought the 'dirt' into this manner of creation and from whence did it come?

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Quite simply, considering the linear time / eternity paradox, the universe and every creation ends when you stop perceiving it.




A thought may end when the thinker moves away from perceiving it for they no longer cast the tuned energy/connection into a medium necessary to sustain it. However, certain thoughts press more deeply into the medium than others. Such thoughts reverberate and 'echo' throughout such a medium causing ripples that transcend linear perceptions and time. Thus, the concept of the infinite/eternal. This span of creation known as the universe was quite the cast and required quite the energy as you can imagine. The ripples for which span a percept of time beyond one's linear comprehension and thus seem paradoxical, not pre-determined, and infinite.

You mistake the medium, the interface, and the consequences of these 'rendered' thoughts..
You maintain that all is good and when clearly, it is not. Take a look around.

Only 'some' is good and that which is not serves as the backdrop of perception.
It is in such relativity that we find ourselves placed at the interface.

A 'return' of sorts is said to be in order and I think you mistake its nature and process.
You maintain even that there is no process. In doing so, you maintain that all is good.
Clearly it is not.

'The light' and ceasing can speak to this commentary.
Maybe it is easier to perceive with more darkness.


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Re: In God [Re: iiilil]
    #23587666 - 08/28/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If you reread my posts, you'll potentially gain an understanding of what has previosly been covered and in turn, you'll be able to answer the questions you pose. You seem like a smart individual who has a basic grasp of theology and so, I've got every confidence you'll find what you seek. :thumbup:

The more true we are, without inner battle to be correct (the sin of pride), the greater capacity we have to receive the correct information. Intruigingly, it's received with a laughable obviousness which never 'ceases' to raise a smile to the scribe.



Out of respect of avoiding falling foul of that sin, I must leave the study to your own perusal with confidence that you'll find your answers.


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Re: In God [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23587710 - 08/28/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If you reread my posts, you'll potentially gain an understanding of what has previosly been covered and in turn, you'll be able to answer the questions you pose. You seem like a smart individual who has a basic grasp of theology and so, I've got every confidence you'll find what you seek. :thumbup:

The more true we are, without inner battle to be correct (the sin of pride), the greater capacity we have to receive the correct information. Intruigingly, it's received with a laughable obviousness which never 'ceases' to raise a smile to the scribe.



Out of respect of avoiding falling foul of that sin, I must leave the study to your own perusal with confidence that you'll find your answers.





Ah', i felt it coming to this but wanted to push it just a little bit further :smile2:

Thank you for this exchange Duncan !
I love you :heart:
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Re: " b a d " [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23590194 - 08/29/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Adolf Hitler was very very bad.


Therefore Hitler trumps Donald.



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Re: " b a d " [Re: iiilil] * 1
    #23591199 - 08/29/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You can play all the subjective games you want in your head, it's not going to change the objective reality which is composed of both good/bad.
. . .

If someone is a liar.. they're a liar
If someone kills someone for no reason .. that's fucked up and wrong.
If someone is selfish.. they're selfish.

Digging deeper, you see the above obviously doesn't spring from 'good'. They spring and come forth from bad. See how that works?




No, I don't see how that works.

Someone who murders is experiencing extreme suffering.

A selfish person is experiencing suffering. 

Are you claiming that suffering is "bad"?

You seem to be assigning the word "bad" to your perspective of undesirable aspects of reality.

Judgement is how ego creates self-identification. It's an addiction for many people.


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Re: " b a d " [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23591595 - 08/29/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You can play all the subjective games you want in your head, it's not going to change the objective reality which is composed of both good/bad.
. . .

If someone is a liar.. they're a liar
If someone kills someone for no reason .. that's fucked up and wrong.
If someone is selfish.. they're selfish.

Digging deeper, you see the above obviously doesn't spring from 'good'. They spring and come forth from bad. See how that works?




No, I don't see how that works.

Someone who murders is experiencing extreme suffering.

A selfish person is experiencing suffering. 

Are you claiming that suffering is "bad"?

You seem to be assigning the word "bad" to your perspective of undesirable aspects of reality.

Judgement is how ego creates self-identification. It's an addiction for many people.




i agree except I personally equate to life inherently containing pain. suffering I equate more to when individuals linger on that pain for one reason or another that is unnecessary.


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Re: " b a d " [Re: nuentoter]
    #23595668 - 08/30/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i agree except I personally equate to life inherently containing pain. suffering I equate more to when individuals linger on that pain for one reason or another that is unnecessary.




I agree with that perspective.

Do you think selfishness is a form of suffering?

For example, do you think a married spouse who cheats is suffering?


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Re: " b a d " [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23597734 - 08/31/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No I think a married spouse who cheats was lying to themselves when they got married, and the faithful one in the couple probably going to experience pain from it, probably suffering.

Selfishness is simply ego allowed to flower after being fed.


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Re: " b a d " [Re: nuentoter]
    #23606646 - 09/02/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So you think a spouse who cheats said a lie when they proclaimed their vow?

Their promise was a lie?          How interesting.

From the statistics, it appears many people lie to themselves. And to spouses.


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