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    #23567414 - 08/22/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I originally thought that MDT device used by NSW police would only detect THC in the system for up to 12 hours.

But I've heard that numerous people are being caught after sometimes more than a week after smoking weed. This is quite troubling for me as although I never drive impaired worry that because I smoke occasionally that I could return a positive result.

Has anyone been tested?
If so then what was the result?
How often do you smoke?
When was the last time you smoked prior to the test?


The devices used in NSW are drager 5000 which apparently does not test impairment but rather metabolites in the system.

Curious to hear peoples stories, also if anyone knows any tricks to return a false result please share.

Thanks!


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Re: Mobile Drug Testing (MDT) NSW [Re: Noven]
    #23567438 - 08/22/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Dude.. The tests they use didn't change.

It's the same thing.


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Re: Mobile Drug Testing (MDT) NSW [Re: micro]
    #23567478 - 08/22/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Dude.. The tests they use didn't change.

It's the same thing.




I guess I wasn't aware that these tests haven't changed. But I guess now these days they have ramped up the advertising about these roadside drug tests being performed, it has come to my attention.

Either way if someone could provide any insights into their experiences and potential hacks to return a false reading it would be much appreciated. :smile:


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Re: Mobile Drug Testing (MDT) NSW [Re: Noven]
    #23567498 - 08/22/16 09:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's going to be a standard antibody panel.

Hack is drink water until you piss out pure water.

They might make you retake it if your creatinine levels show as low.

Eat a good steak meal a few hours prior.

It'll not only boost creatinine levels but vitamin B to color your pee.


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Re: Mobile Drug Testing (MDT) NSW [Re: micro]
    #23567508 - 08/22/16 09:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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It's going to be a standard antibody panel.

Hack is drink water until you piss out pure water.

They might make you retake it if your creatinine levels show as low.

Eat a good steak meal a few hours prior.

It'll not only boost creatinine levels but vitamin B to color your pee.



Creatinine takes at least 24 or so hours to be metabolized from creatine, which is what the test would show. Recommendations are to eat lots of red meat for 3-4 days stopping the 18 hours before the test.

Problematically though, there are general ranges for creatinine. Between 20 and 200 ng/ml basically. Going over is suspect, going under is suspect. Same with dilution levels, specific gravity. All depends how far they go into the test. Every variable is an additional cost, but that doesn't mean they can't/won't do it.

Although the OP is about a different type of test, and your advice seems more feasible for a urine screen.

Where did your fear stem from? Do you smoke daily? Metabolites build up more the more you use a substance. Some people are marijuana free after 1-2 days if they're not heavy smokers as in often or a single, high dose amount.


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Re: Mobile Drug Testing (MDT) NSW [Re: Angel_Above]
    #23567518 - 08/22/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If it goes over say you're into bodybuilding.

I didn't know about the time to metabolize, thanks for that.


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Re: Mobile Drug Testing (MDT) NSW [Re: micro]
    #23567527 - 08/22/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Also weed is stored in fat which is the problem. Most otherbshit you pee out it's metabolites within three days.

I thought this was a UA? Is this blood or hair?


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Re: Mobile Drug Testing (MDT) NSW [Re: micro]
    #23567541 - 08/22/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I did no research on the OP. I'm gonna look it up now lol. Also, I recently learned through a coke+alcohol scare that cocaethylene can stay in the system up to weeks as it can buildup in fatty stores in the body, JUST LIKE POT. Metabolites of drugs last far longer than 3 days for most substances. Hell, even LSD has one that lasts up to 5-6 days.

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Re: Mobile Drug Testing (MDT) NSW [Re: Angel_Above]
    #23567555 - 08/22/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Seems it is a sort of mouth swab. BUT it does seem to target metabolites. Meaning EVEN inactive ones. A beer you had 1-2 days ago, a joint you had a few days ago, could still show up depending on the antibody-metabolite correlation they're utilizing. I'm still learning.


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Re: Mobile Drug Testing (MDT) NSW [Re: Angel_Above]
    #23567561 - 08/22/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Nah. Your body has transesterases so it will be similar.

Don't blow all your money on coke.


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Re: Mobile Drug Testing (MDT) NSW [Re: micro]
    #23567567 - 08/22/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the replies.

The test they use in Oz is a stripe for your tongue (Saliva based) which takes 5 minutes to produce a result.

My fear stems from reports that people who smoked sometimes a week before being stopped for a roadside test have returned a positive result. Which is contrary to what the Police / govt state of positive results up to 12 hours after smoking.

I used to be a daily smoker (micro dose before sleep) except weekends where I would smoke a bit more and watch a movie and relax in the evening before bed. Now a days I limit it to only weekends as now I have to drive to work week days as opposed to public transport.

As I stated never drive impaired however I do feel at risk of returning a positive even though my last smoke may have been Saturday night and it won't matter if I get tested on Monday or even Friday as these tests will likely return a positive result.


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Re: Mobile Drug Testing (MDT) NSW [Re: Angel_Above]
    #23567568 - 08/22/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Seems it is a sort of mouth swab. BUT it does seem to target metabolites. Meaning EVEN inactive ones. A beer you had 1-2 days ago, a joint you had a few days ago, could still show up depending on the antibody-metabolite correlation they're utilizing. I'm still learning.




Wait, really? Have they gotten that accurate?

Mouth swab would surprise me.

Rinse with lots of peroxide.


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Re: Mobile Drug Testing (MDT) NSW [Re: micro]
    #23567597 - 08/22/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Rinse with lots of peroxide.




I think someone else mentioned mouth wash as well.

I was considering investing in some listerine strips. I guess it won't hurt.


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Re: Mobile Drug Testing (MDT) NSW [Re: micro]
    #23567653 - 08/22/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

micro said:
Dude.. The tests they use didn't change.

It's the same thing.




Quote:

micro said:
Quote:

Angel_Above said:
Seems it is a sort of mouth swab. BUT it does seem to target metabolites. Meaning EVEN inactive ones. A beer you had 1-2 days ago, a joint you had a few days ago, could still show up depending on the antibody-metabolite correlation they're utilizing. I'm still learning.




Wait, really? Have they gotten that accurate?

Mouth swab would surprise me.

Rinse with lots of peroxide.



Before shooting people down read what they have to say and realize we ain't all from the states.
OP. Your concerns are also mine and we have very similar habits  it's is very hard to get a straight answer about the issue. There have been recent court cases that have been decided that throw into doubt the legitimacy if these tests. And fyi my friend had a buckety in the morning and got tested in the arvo showed very faintly the cop asked what it would be from my mate said a joint the night before the cop let him go.


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Re: Mobile Drug Testing (MDT) NSW [Re: pineninja]
    #23567697 - 08/22/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Good point pineninja about people assuming this post is about US drug tests.

I have updated the title to more accurately show it being for Australia.

Thank you for your input, it does show that these test results can be all over the place :/


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Re: Mobile Drug Testing (MDT) NSW [Re: Noven]
    #23568276 - 08/23/16 07:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If there's a mouth swab test, it is another antibody test. Again, like I said before, rinse with peroxide. I can't think of much better than that. THC doesn't really stay in the mouth though. You either have miniscule amounts being excreted through your saliva or they are just checking for what you've smoked. It's probably the former. Antibody tests have gotten sensitive enough to do thing like this.

(I wasn't being sarcastic there, I just never heard of it used for a drug screen).

Rinsing with peroxide is the thing I can think of. Maybe someone has actual experience with these?


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Re: Mobile Drug Testing (MDT) NSW [Re: micro]
    #23569896 - 08/23/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Rinsing with peroxide is the thing I can think of. Maybe someone has actual experience with these?




Thanks micro, I will keep a bottle of peroxide and if need be take a quick sip and rinse if I see a roadside test approaching.

And you are correct as well, it is an anti-body test


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