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JustForToday
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Re: Ways to deal with depression [Re: wigglewak]
#23569401 - 08/23/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You think I can be hypnotized to forget about God??
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Re: Ways to deal with depression [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23569519 - 08/23/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: Endorphins are pain-relieve, not pleasure release.
Endorphins are the body's natural opiates . Like heroin , they both relieve pain and produce pleasure.
This is why people talk about a runner's high and why people feel euphoric after a good workout .
Dopamine is also part of it (the feeling of achievement ) but endorphins are what give you the bodily euphoria .
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Re: Ways to deal with depression [Re: Moonshoe]
#23569526 - 08/23/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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euphoria most likely comes from Dopamine. pain relief, ie, relaxation, comes from the Endorphins, which aren't natural creators of pleasure, they simply block pain. it's the dopamine you're looking for. it's what everyone is looking for. it's why anyone does anything. dopamine.
but you were close, i'll grant you that.
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JustForToday said: Nothing is appealing to me anymore. Not even music.
your brain is wired shut from the dopamine. you need someone to cuddle with and someone to sap on, and make you feel important. then you'll get your appeal in things back...until you get upset with eachother, then it all gets put on the line; until eventually she leaves, again...and you wonder why....
because dopamine is everything. all reward and stimulation is based on the dopaminergic response.
just agree with me, so i can get that almighty boost i need; and so i don't have to explain any further, the most obvious thing...that it's not Endorphins that cause the euphoria...it's the dopamine. the Endorphins of course, help create a Dopamine response themselves, along with other neurotransmitters such as Phenethylamine.
the studies that allow that Endorphins are the cause of the "runner's high" are misleading, because it's the Endorphins that lead to a boost in signalling to other receptor sites, with other such stimulative chemicals, leading to the raise in Dopamine, leading to the feeling of accomplishment, feel-good, and euphoria, along with everything else. the Endorphins are merely a response to you running and straining your body. there is no response for Endorphins to 'kick in' to get you high...that's Dopamine that does that, the Endorphins just help push things along, and makes your bodily less stimulated by pain and more by that "rush".
i just said the same thing like three times. i hope it sinks in and i don't get a wikipedia link in reply.
Edited by akira_akuma (08/23/16 03:49 PM)
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trekie
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Re: Ways to deal with depression [Re: JustForToday]
#23569552 - 08/23/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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JustForToday said: You think I can be hypnotized to forget about God??
No any doctor who recommended hypnosis fucking run.
My best advice is for you to see a therapist regularly. Take it seriously keep your appointments and after a few sessions they might recommend medication. Just give it a try. Working out will help . Yoga but I prefer Thia Chi .walks in nature and maybe even day groups. Keep your head up buddy.
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Re: Ways to deal with depression [Re: trekie] 2
#23569622 - 08/23/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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LOL, JFT's hopeless.
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Re: Ways to deal with depression [Re: JustForToday] 2
#23569673 - 08/23/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Ways to deal with depression [Re: 1234go] 1
#23570498 - 08/23/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't think anyone is hopeless unless you just don't want to work on yourself. Hopelessness can be as dangerous as blinding optimism. It cuts both ways. I firmly believe that the power to overcome anything is within everyone.
I've seen people come back from the brink, it takes time and work . I would be lying if I said everything would be fine and dandy. But you can use the experience to grow. Things can happen that will change any person. It's up to you what you do with it.
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Re: Ways to deal with depression [Re: JustForToday]
#23570508 - 08/23/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Have you tried praying the depression away?
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Re: Ways to deal with depression [Re: JustForToday]
#23570648 - 08/23/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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JustForToday said: I am currently right now in the most depressed state of my life and everyone here at my rehab knows it. I barely leave my room. People try to make conversation with me but I just don't care and am not interested in socializing with anyone. I just lay around all day and think. On top of being physically sick, It's mentally taking a toll on me. The married woman was behind all of this. How catastrophic my life became when she left. Or basically when I even started messing with her. It's been 6 months since it happened and I still dream about her.. I cried this morning looking at her pictures. I have been talking to her every now and then but she doesn't talk much to me. I've pretty much given up hope that i'll ever be with her.. I often don't wanna get out of bed in the mornings.
I feel really hopeless. I just want Debbie back. Being with her was the happiest time of my life. I think I would actually faint if I seen her again in my life..
You give her your power by making your happiness dependent on her (or anyone/anything else for that matter). Take it back by letting go of blame and owning your feelings.
On a practical level - meditation, yoga, mantra/prayer, exercise....
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Re: Ways to deal with depression [Re: yogabunny]
#23570748 - 08/23/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Who's Debbie? Is there another thread that explains the story behind this ?
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Re: Ways to deal with depression [Re: JustForToday]
#23571852 - 08/24/16 04:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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very sorry to hear ur having to experience this stuff. I've been in a pretty severe depression for the past three years now, though instinct tells me the light at the end of the tunnel is thankfully pretty close though.
When u sink into depression due to the loss of a person in your life---- fuck that shits rough, and for some of us, rough isnt even close to the appropriate descriptor. Combine that w/ addiction, or any self-harm type coping mechanism, and we'll sink to depths emotionally that are literally unfathomable to the average person; terrifying darkness.
Sorry i dont have any legit advice on this topic, although i promise if i was able, id hand you a magical pill that completely erases every single form of pain, and also makes all your wishes and yearnings true like a genie.
just dont kill yourself, and time will ride you through this.
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Re: Ways to deal with depression [Re: trekie] 1
#23572144 - 08/24/16 08:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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trekie said: I don't think anyone is hopeless. I firmly believe that the power to overcome anything is within everyone. It's up to you what you do with it.
Edited by 1234go (08/24/16 08:15 AM)
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Re: Ways to deal with depression [Re: JustForToday] 1
#23572367 - 08/24/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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JustForToday said: I am currently right now in the most depressed state of my life and everyone here at my rehab knows it. I barely leave my room. People try to make conversation with me but I just don't care and am not interested in socializing with anyone. I just lay around all day and think. On top of being physically sick, It's mentally taking a toll on me. The married woman was behind all of this. How catastrophic my life became when she left. Or basically when I even started messing with her. It's been 6 months since it happened and I still dream about her.. I cried this morning looking at her pictures. I have been talking to her every now and then but she doesn't talk much to me. I've pretty much given up hope that i'll ever be with her.. I often don't wanna get out of bed in the mornings.
I feel really hopeless. I just want Debbie back. Being with her was the happiest time of my life. I think I would actually faint if I seen her again in my life..
GOD DAMMIT GET A HOLD OF YOURSELF !!
unless you have a problem with authority. In that case,
I'm sorry to hear about your suffering and I want to offer you a few points to consider.
changing the way you think is the only way out of depression. Drugs DO NOT accomplish this, they only make it more likely-- with side-effects and WDs. This is why ongoing therapy works concurrently with drugs. You know, group sessions, private sessions... whatever. Important for you to know- drugs are not the answer (regardless of what your professional told you) they can help but also they can enslave and harm... even the ones the doctor says are perfectly safe and have been used for years. Chances are he did NOT use them for years himself to be sure of what he tells you.
So I will write a short, to try and help you change your thought process.
To change your thought process you will need to face some pretty stark realities and I'm afraid I can not candy coat it for you, some medicine must be bitter or it will not be effective.
you come into this world alone. Your mother creates a safe place for you until the time your nervous system is capable of sustaining your life force in situ. At which point you emerge from her safe place alone. even twins go one at a time... emerging alone.
So you come into the world alone. You know what? You also go out of this world alone too. Even if you aren't by yourself when you die, you still go out alone. Nobody else is able to die for you, regardless of the stories and compelling arguments people might make. You are born and you die, alone. Fucking happy thought, I know. This is part of life. You can't change it by much.
"what's the fucking point of that sorry shit?" You might be well to ask such a question because "the idea of being alone isn't really making me happy..." well the point is, while nobody can be born or die for you, likewise, nobody can "make you" be happy. That is on you. The drugs just make you goofy or help you sleep by regulating neuro-chemicals... they won't force you to move on or get over whatever is bugging you. That's your burden, and it takes time.
try thinking about the instance where the thing a person believes is the best thing that can happen actually turns out to be the worst thing in the world... like winning the lottery. Statistaically, people who win big in the lotto will divorce, lose family, destroy their health, etc etc, and usually wind up broke and lonely. Same thing goes opposite though, say your car got totaled by a hit and run driver while it was parked... worst thing... then over the course of 2 months you get your bicycle legs back, shed 20lbs, increase muscle tone, and begin eating more healthy foods... not really the worst thing. Right? Maybe the car wasn't so good after all?
Nobody can tell you what you are experiencing except for you, and so for your own good Try to look at things a little different. \
hope you feel better

PS-- get the "I can't" or "it's too hard" thoughts out of your head. That is a trap you put yourself in.
Edited by travelleler (08/24/16 10:11 AM)
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Re: Ways to deal with depression [Re: travelleler] 1
#23572447 - 08/24/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I drink lots of water and play instruments
And sometimes scream into a pillow
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travelleler
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Re: Ways to deal with depression [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
#23577644 - 08/25/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cosmic_Flame said: I drink lots of water and play instruments
And sometimes scream into a pillow
this too!! yes!!! release that tension!!!
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Re: Ways to deal with depression [Re: JustForToday]
#23577907 - 08/25/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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JustForToday said: You think I can be hypnotized to forget about God??
Hypnosis is the use of affirmation, relaxation, and mental suggestion to achieve a certain result. From what I understand, it's more effective in helping one remember something that's been repressed or consciously forgotten than causing one to forget something. The more effective way to break from the Christian concept of god is to stop observing it altogether, whether that observation is through prayer, through praise, or even through anger and spite.
There has to be a realization that depending on prayer for results will not achieve results. It's only through being and doing under one's own steam that results are achieved. God doesn't help those who help themselves, people who help themselves do.
That's just my take on it and I could be completely off-base, but the way I look at it is this: if a person doesn't believe in god, then there's nothing to forget and there's no reason to blame a god that isn't there for anything.
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Re: Ways to deal with depression [Re: JustForToday]
#23577998 - 08/25/16 10:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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JustForToday said: Please don't get me started on God. I have not one good thing to say and I honestly wish I could erase that very concept away from my mind forever.
God is not a concept, it's an eternal, unchanging reality of Divine Unification between all things, all is God at work here. You just need a deep, spiritual experience. If you can't mediate, yet are mentally stable, take a leap of faith (high entheogenic dose with a trusted sitter) to reunite with your Higher Self that's within all of us, it's the universal source of consciousness and it's principle is Love. It's here now, we just have be receptive to it, to choose to tune into that frequency if we want to benefit from it. It all starts out with our attitude&perception towards these things (all things) that eventually manifest our current, present, unshakable Reality. Language creates reality, but energy flows to thoughts beforehand. So be aware of your vibration, you can adjust it if you want and/or God is willing. OM on amigo <3
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Re: Ways to deal with depression [Re: ImSl8] 1
#23578065 - 08/25/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I masturbate in the bathroom at work.
Getting paid to jerk off is really self motivating.
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Re: Ways to deal with depression [Re: vandago]
#23579103 - 08/26/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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magic wand saves lives trustory
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Cosmic_Flame
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Re: Ways to deal with depression [Re: travelleler]
#23579129 - 08/26/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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travelleler said:
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Cosmic_Flame said: I drink lots of water and play instruments
And sometimes scream into a pillow
this too!! yes!!! release that tension!!!
yes dat primal scream therapy aka when I sing metal and practice my vocals.
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