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the_r3dz
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Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants?
#23565421 - 08/22/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I suppose it's time for me to stop doling out advice, seeing how I can't keep my own plants alive
This started a day or two ago, has gotten progressively worse
   Can't see anything on the roots
   Is this the time for a systemic fungicide? It's in the diffusae category so I never intend to eat it so I don't care what chemicals it gets. Should I just cut off the head and let it grow a new one? Since the damage seems not to be in the roots?
Also, my Texana is doing something unpleasant I hope it's just thirsty, I removed some of the top layer of soil, exposed a bit of taproot though so I'm not really sure what to do
    It's firm everywhere except for that ring around the bottom that is clearly soft.
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: the_r3dz]
#23565433 - 08/22/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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My Texanas do that also. I think it's normal. You normally don't see the bottom of the button like that because it's usually buried
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: Barracho]
#23565443 - 08/22/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would say dry them out. Don't water them for a while. They can take it. Neglect them for a while and they will love you for it
As far as the first loph pic I've never del with anything like that
Edited by Barracho (08/22/16 09:32 AM)
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: the_r3dz]
#23565450 - 08/22/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Red Spider Mite. Abamectin immediately (follow the instructions on the label) and frequent spraying to keep the remaining population in check. The other may just be "folding", it's the way yotes dispose of older tissue without becoming columnar. Keep an eye on it just in case.
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: LSoares]
#23565453 - 08/22/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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no way that shit's RSM?!?! I never would have guessed and I've totally called it out on people's plants before... the only plant in my entire collection?
I know that I have RSM around cuz I've seen them but never on my plants this is suddenly a bit less tragic but still urgent Thank you Z and Barracho
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: LSoares]
#23565454 - 08/22/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow!good eye lsoeres!
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: Barracho]
#23565459 - 08/22/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would also dust with DE. Could keep them from spreading to other plants
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: Barracho]
#23565460 - 08/22/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Barracho said: Wow!good eye lsoeres!
Lousy eyes, lots of unwanted experience with those f***ers... r3dz, pick a magnifying glass and confirm it's RSM. They'll be yellowy-orangey with 8 legs.
EDIT: Lousy, but not as much as my avatar might suggest...
Edited by LSoares (08/22/16 09:39 AM)
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: LSoares]
#23565471 - 08/22/16 09:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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lousy
alright you guys enough with the puns 
Good diagnoses doc, RSM indeed. it's honestly good news imo, I'd rather deal with that (which there are many known cures for) than some unknown fungus
Is there something I can give to my plants as a preventative measure? Obviously this plant is weaker or something since none of myothers are getting it but I want to be sure
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: the_r3dz]
#23565474 - 08/22/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Diatomaceous earth. Dust your uninfested plants. Buy it in the pool section of home depot
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: Barracho]
#23565483 - 08/22/16 09:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can put it thicker on top of the soil around the plants also. Totally organic wont mess with the plants at all. Cuts the bodies open of hard shell insects
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: Barracho]
#23565486 - 08/22/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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right right...I knew that...
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: the_r3dz]
#23565651 - 08/22/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Whatcha guys think about this? Great dude around here Big Bear gave me this advice,
Base Mix: -30ml 100% pure Neem oil -10ml "pro-tekt" (silica additive and emulsifier. Before I used this product I just rocked Neem with dish soap as the emulsifier -1gal of water
Secondary mix components include: Aloe, lavender, Rosemary, and thyme. Basically I chop up a small handful of FRESH rosemary, thyme, or lavender and chop it up finely. I let it sit in a cup of water over night. I strain it in to my base mix and then fill the rest of the gallon up with water.
My schedule is usually every week I spray base mix+secondary and alternate the secondary every week. Lavender is particularly gnarly for mites. If I site a bug I usually douse everything every 72 hours until the problem goes away. Alternating secondary components really helps a lot. Diversity is key.
also this
As for soil ammendments, kelp meal, Neem seedmeal, karanja meal, and crab shell meal all have lots of IPM benefits.
I can't imagine it could since it's so natural but any of these products seem like they could hurt the cactus? I know neem is to be applied at night
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: the_r3dz]
#23565667 - 08/22/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Honestly I'm not big on neem oil. I go to a hydro store and buy aza max by general hydroponics. Certified organic pyrithians extract from neem oil and it's already ready to mix into water. I love that stuff bugs hate it
Edited by Barracho (08/22/16 11:21 AM)
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: Barracho]
#23565676 - 08/22/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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And you can use it as a soil drench also
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: Barracho]
#23565678 - 08/22/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah I know that there are two types of neem and one of them is terrible for cacti
hopefully azamax is in canada D: not in canada
Edited by the_r3dz (08/22/16 11:24 AM)
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: Barracho]
#23565683 - 08/22/16 11:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry azadachtrin no pyrithians
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: Barracho]
#23565689 - 08/22/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If not a hydro store will have an aza product. There are other companies that make it. It's just extracted from the oil already. Safer for plants
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: Barracho]
#23565698 - 08/22/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Go to general hydroponics website and read about it. Interesting read. It will break the life cycle, makes babies deformed. Screws with bugs heads makes them forget how to mate
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: Barracho]
#23565887 - 08/22/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Big Bear sounds like he knows his organic shit.
You sure you wanna add all the organic stuff to your soil though? May have to adjust the perlite number.
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: El Torcho]
#23565925 - 08/22/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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 wow man, if I haven't rated you, you get 5 for that I fuckin 'd
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: the_r3dz]
#23565936 - 08/22/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I use all those things you listed in my soil mix, and top dressings. Neem and karanja are musts for soil mixes, as is kelp. Crustacean shell fools the plant into thinking it's under a fungal attack, so it increases it's defense mechanisms.
You can make a tea from neem meal and soak the soil or spray it on the plant.
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: El Torcho]
#23565946 - 08/22/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Now I just gotta figure out where the fuck to get that weird stuff
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: the_r3dz]
#23565965 - 08/22/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I sent you a pm for the neem. Kelp can be bought at walmart or home depot. Crustacean shell can be found online. I'll send you another link, but you can find it elsewhere.
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: the_r3dz]
#23565966 - 08/22/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Aren't those ingredients "specialized"? I thought you just mixed cheap soil and perlite?
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: Barracho]
#23565969 - 08/22/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Again, you have me confused with someone else.
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: El Torcho]
#23565985 - 08/22/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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El Torcho said: Again, you have me confused with someone else.
Yes went back and looked. Sorry bout that
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: Barracho]
#23565990 - 08/22/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Don't you be bringing that up in my thread
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: the_r3dz]
#23566064 - 08/22/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know that I definitely prefer aza max over neem oil. It literally destroys any bug that dares to come close to your plant
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: Barracho]
#23566099 - 08/22/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Neem meal is what's left after they press the oil from the nut. I don't really use neem oil in the garden. I don't have enough need for it or time. If I get chewers I use spinosad and that has worked for everything that has wanted to nibble on my plants. I've never dealt with RSM though.
I am guessing here, but I wouldn't be surprised if azamax is just neem meal tea with a preservative mixed in. Again guessing here. Never used it. . .
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#23566140 - 08/22/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Aza max is azadachtrin extract from neem oil. Azadachtrin is the ingredient that is actually the insecticide in neem oil.
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#23566176 - 08/22/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry I've been saying it wrong azadirachtin is correct
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: Barracho]
#23566201 - 08/22/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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A very safe and easy way to prevent the buildup of RSM numbers is to spray water on your plants. The mites hate it.
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Re: Maybe I'm not as good at this as I thought. Sick plants? [Re: LSoares]
#23568144 - 08/23/16 04:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Never yet had spider mites - but have some neem oil just in case.
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