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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23566570 - 08/22/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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you still are under the impression that the right-wing are angels who never use incrementalism to push an agenda that isn't fitting for the American people...like Iraq, for example.




Are you trying to derail the thread? Like usual...




no, i'm literally doing what i always do. addressing the latest relevant post in the thread to either make a point, or point out someone's bullshit; in this case, and as usual, it's your's.


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23566573 - 08/22/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Right, instead of addressing the issue being discussed you attack and derail, no wonder nobody reads your drivel


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23566580 - 08/22/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

what? attack? lol. derail? you're derailing by simply feigning daftness.


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Asante] * 1
    #23566601 - 08/22/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I pay approximately $150 each month for my healthcare. For each year I have $420 in Own Risk, which will be used up for your first needs. (which I use up)

So, I pay $2222 each year in health care. If you are a millionaire, you pay the exact same. Your income does not matter. Everybody pays $2222 a year.






how about telling us what the actual cost is, in order for you to have the
discounted health care which according to your $2222 number was $185/month
then a sum has to come out of taxes, now let's assume you work, what
percentage of your pay goes to cover that healthcare


now check this out, I used to pay $327/ month in insurance, I know, it seems like
a lot but that covered 3 people on a premium policy through my employer, that came
out to 109/month per person and only having to pay a $20 co-pay each time I
actually went to a doctor, I did that twice

my total annual pay out for insurance was just under $4000 to cover 3 people,
under your netherlander policy it seems it would be $6666 for the same coverage
but now everyone on the planet feels the need to add their two cents american
politics and the people in the US get screwed. because under obamacare my
insurance would cost me $12k/year so kindly fuck off with your socializerd horse
shit since I can no longer afford health insurance thanks to you socialist fucks


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23566621 - 08/22/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

tip of the iceberg syndrome: referring to the response of a problem as if it wasn't the response to a problem, but merely the problem.

the problem being that socialised medicine is a response to inequality, and the problem of inequality (manufactured or not) is the response to another problem, that of avarice, which (manufactured or not) is a response to another problem, which is the foundation of human endeavor is still on the "serving kings" paradigm.

point being: socialised medicine is a moral decision, and not an economic one; an economic decision would be more along the lines of actually either A: influencing the nation with one's own money, to help build infrastructure and provide jobs, and ordinate a response to high-tax rates; or B: continue to give the society the leg-up it needs so people can help stabilise it, because, frankly, unless someone is there to help, it won't do it itself.


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23566659 - 08/22/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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point being: socialised medicine is a moral decision, and not an economic one;





caca doodie  poopie caca


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23566669 - 08/22/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

sure Pris, sure. ignore the breadth of my post, in order to mock the standpoint that busts a hole in your theory of American prosperity with "caca poopoo"

the people who CAN help grow a nation, they simply will not do so...they keep their business to themselves as much as possible. avarice rules the world and it's that avarice that consistently pushes people and governments towards socialism to begin with.

simple as that. there's the only solution to your problem.


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23566672 - 08/22/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

poo poo doodie balls


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: something super extreme]
    #23566680 - 08/22/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

this is a consistent and unfalisifiable effect of going balls deep.


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23566801 - 08/22/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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sure Pris, sure. ignore the breadth of my post, in order to mock the standpoint that busts a hole in your theory of American prosperity with "caca poopoo"





government intervention into medicine isnt a moral decision, there is nothing moral about government


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23566820 - 08/22/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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the people who CAN help grow a nation, they simply will not do so...they keep their business to themselves as much as possible. avarice rules the world




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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23566822 - 08/22/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

people govern themselves. something, funnily enough, as an American, you always seem to forget.


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23566845 - 08/22/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not allowed to govern myself


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23566885 - 08/22/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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people govern themselves. something, funnily enough, as an American, you always seem to forget.




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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23567090 - 08/22/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Does Obamacare cover Butt-hurt? :smirk:


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: starfire_xes]
    #23567107 - 08/22/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

what butt-hurt?


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Asante]
    #23567301 - 08/22/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I pay approximately $150 each month for my healthcare. For each year I have $420 in Own Risk, which will be used up for your first needs. (which I use up)







I pay around $80/mo for healthcare and superior American doctors and my copay is double yours and I still pay less than you. Take that, Holland. Your Dutch doctor probably also has his practice in an apartment over a chocolate shop or something. Your quaint ideas about medicine are charming and you are a whimsical person.


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: John Nada]
    #23567330 - 08/22/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i do believe he is equating paying in to making accessible healthcare to people can't afford it available to them, with being equal in value (to himself), as your paying less for your insurance.

of course American medicine is better in technology. this is a fact. they have a rigorous standard in the medical profession.

that is not all that entails healthcare.

North America has some of the best medicine in the world, and best practitioners, in general.


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23567545 - 08/22/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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something super extreme said:
Gallup via PPACA. The 22% is exclusively households and individuals making less than 36,000 per year; hence why I specificied low income. Considering median wage in Louisiana is only 41,000...
State assistance is hit or miss. In Louisiana to qualify for healthcare assistance you must have minor dependents in your home or be a pregnant woman.

No matter how you approach it, uninsurance is still quite substantial and cost-effective alternatives for individuals are not as available as you're making it seem.




Yeah that's true. I remember I was uninsured for several years while I was a student, and uninsured for quite some time after that.

The main problem is that young or uninsured people should at the very least be covered for hospital visits.

I think young, single people might be eligible for Medicare type programs, if they recently went to the hospital and have the bills to prove it. I think you can apply for these types of programs if you have been to the hospital in the past 3 months, and have the bill to prove you can't pay it. I'm not quite sure how it works or who exactly is eligible for it.


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23567565 - 08/22/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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i do believe he is equating paying in to making accessible healthcare to people can't afford it available to them, with being equal in value (to himself), as your paying less for your insurance.

of course American medicine is better in technology. this is a fact. they have a rigorous standard in the medical profession.

that is not all that entails healthcare.

North America has some of the best medicine in the world, and best practitioners, in general.




Believe it or not socialist Cuba is also said to have excellent medicine. Quite many Cuban doctors lead conferences regarding their specialties.

A lot of people think American medicine is the best, but in fact quite many people travel back to their home countries to seek medical care for serious things.

The USA however, is publishing the most research. Probably our politics and allocation of grants have something to do with that.


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