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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23565362 - 08/22/16 08:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: something super extreme]
    #23565369 - 08/22/16 09:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I just dont think healthy people should have to pay for smokers, soda drinkers, and other people who do what they know will harm them despite it being common knowledge.

put down the sugar and cigs

I probably think more people smoke then that do, because where I live it seems like most people smoke. I think its down to like, 20% of millenials or something


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: something super extreme]
    #23565410 - 08/22/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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something super extreme said:
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Crystal G said:
almost nobody these days is uninsured anymore, especially after Obamacare.




Patently false, as low-income individuals and households still sit at a 22% rate of uninsurance as of 2015 Q1.
Blacks and Hispanics have an uninsurance rate of twice and 3.9x respectively versus whites (13.6% and 30.4%).

I may be a dumb shitposting troll, but that's hardly "nobody".




I just checked and it said uninsured rates are 11.9% in quarter 1 of 2015. In 2016, it was 11%. Where are you getting your stats from?

So I guess these people prefer to pay the fine instead of being insured?

I'm willing to bet that the percentage of uninsured people are mostly young college students. Either that, or they are young and healthy people making roughly $20-$30K a year, and they just don't want to or can't afford the insurance costs. Because if they were very low-income or unemployed, they would be eligible for state healthcare insurance programs.


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Crystal G]
    #23565436 - 08/22/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Gallup via PPACA. The 22% is exclusively households and individuals making less than 36,000 per year; hence why I specificied low income. Considering median wage in Louisiana is only 41,000...
State assistance is hit or miss. In Louisiana to qualify for healthcare assistance you must have minor dependents in your home or be a pregnant woman.

No matter how you approach it, uninsurance is still quite substantial and cost-effective alternatives for individuals are not as available as you're making it seem.


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #23565484 - 08/22/16 09:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Can anyone guesstimate how much the care I'm receiving would cost in the US?

I'm not being sarcastic, I am saddened by the horrid situation America has gotten itself into and hope to shake people awake regarding this topic, cause quite often in the Pub and the Politics forum universal healthcare is being attacked as if its a communist conspiracy to destroy America while the opposite is true.




Taxes are paying for your care. That isn't free.





Did you miss the part where I said that every citizen of my country, myself included, pay $2222 a year for our healthcare.

I never said it was free, It costs an arm and a leg. But its paid for by all of us and thats why the care is affordable.


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Asante]
    #23565491 - 08/22/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What happens when $2222 per person doesn't cover the bill?


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #23565495 - 08/22/16 09:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It does. When it doesn't, either the Own Risk premium gets raised or the monthly sum.


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Asante]
    #23565497 - 08/22/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Asante said:
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Crazy_Horse said:
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Asante said:
Can anyone guesstimate how much the care I'm receiving would cost in the US?

I'm not being sarcastic, I am saddened by the horrid situation America has gotten itself into and hope to shake people awake regarding this topic, cause quite often in the Pub and the Politics forum universal healthcare is being attacked as if its a communist conspiracy to destroy America while the opposite is true.




Taxes are paying for your care. That isn't free.





Did you miss the part where I said that every citizen of my country, myself included, pay $2222 a year for our healthcare.

I never said it was free, It costs an arm and a leg. But its paid for by all of us and thats why the care is affordable.




It's also affordable because your country isn't littered with dirty lawyers and malpractice insurance, it's also affordable because you don't torture your elderly and instead practice medicine based on ethics, it's also affordable because you don't have demographics that abuse the hell out of anything that's almost free.


Edited by qman (08/22/16 10:04 PM)


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Asante]
    #23565696 - 08/22/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Socialized medicine means more government in my life.  I want less government, not more. 
Does it raise taxes in any way?  Then I'm categorically against it, whatever "it" is, period.


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: qman]
    #23565706 - 08/22/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You can't work without health insuance here.

If you make more than 450 in a month, your employer pays most of it.

Otherwise it's 150/160 a month.

Doc visits covered, operations covered.

Non-superficial dental work covered.


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23565918 - 08/22/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I have the medicaid and my co pay was 2.00 last time I went to the doc. I got a few shots for my nursing course and a full health physical. The dentist cost me about 80.00 for a major periodontal scraping and teeth cleaning. :shrug: I made about 47 thousand last year and brought home 36. :shrug: Single (my mate lives with, but I am the main lease holder), no kids, no pets. NO cc debt, no car payment, actually I am in a really good place now that I think about it!:grin: And my mate just added me to his insurance which is killer because he works for an insurance company!:grin:


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: qman]
    #23565933 - 08/22/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I have always been in favor of universal health care for the US, I also think many Americans are as well.

Obama Care isn't socialist healthcare, it's just another step backwards.




Wrong, Obama was designed to fail in order to push us to single payer


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23565949 - 08/22/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:
I have always been in favor of universal health care for the US, I also think many Americans are as well.

Obama Care isn't socialist healthcare, it's just another step backwards.




Wrong, Obama was designed to fail in order to push us to single payer



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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23565951 - 08/22/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:
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qman said:
I have always been in favor of universal health care for the US, I also think many Americans are as well.

Obama Care isn't socialist healthcare, it's just another step backwards.




Wrong, Obama was designed to fail in order to push us to single payer




I disagree with that speculative theory used by many conservatives, the health care corporate lobbyists didn't invest billions of dollars to end up in a non-profit single payer health care system.

Most Republican politicians labeled the ACA as "socialist healthcare", that's a disingenuous description of what the ACA really is, the Republicans didn't make the correct argument because they were bought and paid for by the same corporate sponsors.

The health care stocks are NOT pricing in any type of single payer health care system.


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: qman]
    #23566250 - 08/22/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Wow I think this is the first time I've agreed with you on something qman.  It's just too bad we're stuck in a two party system with both parties suckling off the same tit.


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Asante]
    #23566365 - 08/22/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

All I can say is I am profoundly grateful for the free healthcare my wife and I have access to in Canada, and we wouldn't consider living somewhere without such socialized medicine .


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23566518 - 08/22/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Im moving to holland to live with Asante.


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23566544 - 08/22/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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All I can say is I am profoundly grateful for the free healthcare my wife and I have access to in Canada, and we wouldn't consider living somewhere without such socialized medicine .




Yeah, free shit is nice

The health insurance companies supported it because they they thought it was gonna be a windfall for them. An insurance program that forces people to buy their product, how could they not?

Democrats are playing the long game, these insurance execs don't give a shit what's gonna happen 10, 15, or 20 years from now, they KNOW they'll already be retired and filthy rich. Democrats, liberals, progressives, love to use INCREMENTALISM to push their agenda, it's a proven winning strategy.



Other health sectors, pharmaceuticals, hospitals and doctors, even with single payer, would still be getting rich.


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23566564 - 08/22/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

you still are under the impression that the right-wing are angels who never use incrementalism to push an agenda that isn't fitting for the American people...like Iraq, for example.


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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23566569 - 08/22/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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you still are under the impression that the right-wing are angels who never use incrementalism to push an agenda that isn't fitting for the American people...like Iraq, for example.




Are you trying to derail the thread? Like usual...


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