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An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" 3
#23565135 - 08/22/16 06:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Let me give you an example of the dreaded "socialist healthcare" which you Americans fear so much.
Lets go.
Some of you may know, I'm in a pickle with my health. I have eczema on my ankles and for a myriad of reasons, in particularly heart medication interaction, I developed edema, a swelling of the lower legs. It itched like mad, I scratched, and where I scratched I broke out in ulcers, hard-healing open wounds.
We have universal health care in my country.
I pay approximately $150 each month for my healthcare. For each year I have $420 in Own Risk, which will be used up for your first needs. (which I use up)
So, I pay $2222 each year in health care. If you are a millionaire, you pay the exact same. Your income does not matter. Everybody pays $2222 a year.
Now comes it.
I went to my doctor, no charge. The doctor prescribed home care. No charge. Every single day of the week for several weeks I have a nurse coming to my house who checks up on my compression bandages and usually rewinds them, no charge, and three times a week i receive wound care along with the rewinding. No charge. They are using bandages, pads, desinfectants, linen sleeves etc etc like nobodies business. No charge. I have a phone # I can call 24 hours a day for questions or to rush a nurse to me to rewind those bandages. No Charge. If it should turn out that I will be needing supportive stockings, custom made to the exact measurements of my legs, no charge.
Exactly whats so bad about this system?
Everybody pays the same sum. We're all in this together.
You Americans would be bankrupted or severely economically neutered by the care I am receiving.
The same care.
Whats so bad about this? I bet you Americans pay $150 a month for insurance too and still get screwed on every contingency.
That you have no universal health care is a barbarism. Here in Holland we take care of each other.
Isn't that what being human is about, helping one another?
You guys are more afraid for the bill than for the disease itself.
Join the Developed Nations and adopt universal healthcare
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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Asante] 5
#23565137 - 08/22/16 06:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Okay, I'll get right on that.
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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Asante]
#23565140 - 08/22/16 06:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said:
Some of you may know, I'm in a pickle with my health. I have eczema on my ankles and for a myriad of reasons, in particularly heart medication interaction, I developed edema, a swelling of the lower legs. It itched like mad, I scratched, and where I scratched I broke out in ulcers, hard-healing open wounds.
We have universal health care in my country.
I pay approximately $150 each month for my healthcare. For each year I have $420 in Own Risk, which will be used up for your first needs. (which I use up)
So, I pay $2222 each year in health care. If you are a millionaire, you pay the exact same. Your income does not matter. Everybody pays $2222 a year.
Now comes it.
I went to my doctor, no charge. The doctor prescribed home care. No charge. Every single day of the week for several weeks I have a nurse coming to my house who checks up on my compression bandages and usually rewinds them, no charge, and three times a week i receive wound care along with the rewinding. No charge. They are using bandages, pads, desinfectants, linen sleeves etc etc like nobodies business. No charge. If it should turn out that I will be needing supportive stockings, custom made to the exact measurements of my legs, no charge.
Exactly whats so bad about this system?
Everybody pays the same sum. We're all in this together.
You Americans would be bankrupted or severely economically neutered by the care I am receiving.
The same care.
Whats so bad about this? I bet you Americans pay $150 a month for insurance too and still get screwed on every contingency.
That you have no universal health care is a barbarism. Here in Holland we take care of each other.
Isn't that what being human is about, helping one another?
You guys are more afraid for the bill than for the disease itself.
Join the Developed Nations and adopt universal healthcare 
I like socialized healthcare personally. But, I don't think the healthcare should be completely free. The reason for this is because some countries like Canada have 6 month waiting periods, because you have so many people going to the doctor for even minor things such as a cold or a headache.
So, the doctor's visit should still cost money, but not much. It should be like $10 for a visit, not the $200 it would cost out-of-pocket like with an American doctor.
This way people don't see the doctor for unnecessary things they don't need, and it shortens the line.
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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Asante]
#23565141 - 08/22/16 06:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Asante] 3
#23565142 - 08/22/16 06:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not sure why you have to be so obnoxious and confrontational in your tone, as the decision for the structuring of healthcare in the country is hardly a choice that we have much control over at an individual level. I'd say it's a bit like kicking a man while he's down, but your legs aren't sounding so hot.
I would wager that a significant portion of the people in my area, a predominately low income community in a notoriously poor state, would be overjoyed to have easier access to preventative care, intensive care, and medicine. As it stands, profit margins interfere and will continue to interfere with any chance of meaningful changes being made to the structuring of American healthcare.
Pointing your sarcasm at a group that consists largely of those people is both misplaced and arrogant. We're not all as thrilled with the quality of living as a very vocal minority would have you believe.
Snide remarks aside, I do hope you're getting better. I was just thinking about you last night and meant to ask.
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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Asante]
#23565143 - 08/22/16 06:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Solidarity comrade!
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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Crystal G] 1
#23565144 - 08/22/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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They should require referrals. I can go to a neurosurgeon for a headache under obamacare.
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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Crazy_Horse]
#23565146 - 08/22/16 06:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Crazy_Horse said: They should require referrals. I can go to a neurosurgeon for a headache under obamacare.
A lot of that is determined at the state level. In Oregon, visiting a specialist required at least one recommendation from a GP. In Louisiana you can visit a specialist so long as you can cover your copayment.
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I got everything basically for free when I was an unemployed bum. All I paid was $3 for scripts. Now that I work full time I get screwed because I have a shitty HMO that barely covers anything.
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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: moonrockmushy] 1
#23565187 - 08/22/16 07:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not an American that fears "socialist healthcare" just because the few here are so loud with their opinions doesn't mean they speak for all of us. They just can't help but vent their frustrations, thats not short of exclamatory unfortunately. They post so much that they set the tone in this forum, which I can't stand honestly. So I guess I should post more 
I'm in agreement that we should have some sort of model where people shouldn't be in ridiculous amounts of debt to get medical care. I've seen too many loved ones suffer just because of inadequate care due to their insurance plans being so dodgy and limiting. Universal healthcare should be a right in our society by now. Its inhumane to not have such a system in any first world nation, imo. The worst part is this affects minorities the most and the lower classes such as the working class and the poor, especially the mentally ill and my community (lgbtq) just as much since we're in a system that wasn't originally meant to accommodate us. This ranges across the board from sex education to fearing getting medical care. This issue also goes for drug users, being judged and discriminated against in the medical industry for ridiculous reasons. People that live on the fringes of society have the odds against them, which shouldn't be the case when it comes to their health.
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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
#23565206 - 08/22/16 07:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Can anyone guesstimate how much the care I'm receiving would cost in the US?
I'm not being sarcastic, I am saddened by the horrid situation America has gotten itself into and hope to shake people awake regarding this topic, cause quite often in the Pub and the Politics forum universal healthcare is being attacked as if its a communist conspiracy to destroy America while the opposite is true.
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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Asante]
#23565214 - 08/22/16 07:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hard to say off the top of my head without knowing exact medications you're prescribed and what sort of specialists you've seen, but ballpark it around $400 for a specialist's visit. Home healthcare nursing can run into the hundreds or low thousands on a weekly basis.
Medications are where it gets tricky, as they can be outrageously expensive without insurance and so without knowing anything specific it's really impossible to say. They could be $5 for your entire prescription or $250 or $2000.
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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Asante] 5
#23565219 - 08/22/16 07:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante, there's only 2 reasons I can think of for you to have worded your post the way you have. 1) either you only have the most basic, perfunctory understanding of the American ideological landscape and you're being willfully ignorant, OR 2) you're being purposely antagonistic. I suspect it's a combination of the two. Neither is a good look, especially for the "enlightened" individual that you claim to be.
Anyway, good luck with your legs. Maybe in the future you can use some of that free healthcare for preventative treatment so your situation doesn't deteriorate to where you're at now. Most eczema is treatable, with a bit of diligence.
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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Asante]
#23565235 - 08/22/16 07:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said: Can anyone guesstimate how much the care I'm receiving would cost in the US?
I'm not being sarcastic, I am saddened by the horrid situation America has gotten itself into and hope to shake people awake regarding this topic, cause quite often in the Pub and the Politics forum universal healthcare is being attacked as if its a communist conspiracy to destroy America while the opposite is true.
If you are disabled or over 65 or low-income, your healthcare would first of all be free, since you would be enrolled under Medicare.
$400 for a specialist visit is only what you would pay if you were totally uninsured and paying out of pocket. However, almost nobody these days is uninsured anymore, especially after Obamacare.
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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Crystal G] 1
#23565252 - 08/22/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: almost nobody these days is uninsured anymore, especially after Obamacare.
Patently false, as low-income individuals and households still sit at a 22% rate of uninsurance as of 2015 Q1. Blacks and Hispanics have an uninsurance rate of twice and 3.9x respectively versus whites (13.6% and 30.4%).
I may be a dumb shitposting troll, but that's hardly "nobody".
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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Asante]
#23565276 - 08/22/16 08:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said: Can anyone guesstimate how much the care I'm receiving would cost in the US?
I'm not being sarcastic, I am saddened by the horrid situation America has gotten itself into and hope to shake people awake regarding this topic, cause quite often in the Pub and the Politics forum universal healthcare is being attacked as if its a communist conspiracy to destroy America while the opposite is true.
Taxes are paying for your care. That isn't free.
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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Crazy_Horse]
#23565339 - 08/22/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not constitutiona The government does everything inefficienty, because therr is no incentive not to, anyway.
It still isnt constitutional. the averge person, because the average person abuses themselves for sixty or seventy years, then falls apart thinking it's just the natural way of living
I dont want to pay for that
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To which of the seven articles or twenty seven amendments does accessible healthcare stand in opposition? I assume you're well versed in the nuances of constitutional interpretation and can quickly provide us a summary.
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It isnt even mentioned. It woud be delegated to the states. They could set up healthcare. The government already does too much it isnt supposed to do.
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Re: An Example of "Socialist Healthcare" [Re: Crazy_Horse]
#23565360 - 08/22/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have always been in favor of universal health care for the US, I also think many Americans are as well.
Obama Care isn't socialist healthcare, it's just another step backwards.
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