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Re: I am contemplating going back to school to pursue a PhD [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23569588 - 08/23/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah from my experience I would advise young people only to get an education if they can do so without debt.

I loved school and enjoyed it and benefited from it but it didn't pay off economically enough to justify going into debt.

With some exceptions I think education should be seen as a pleasure and a hobby and for personal growth and satisfaction but not as an economic strategy for making more money.

Many people will graduate and not find a job in their field . Those people would be better off debt free and working and saving for those five years instead of debt and school .

You could save up enough working full time to go on a huge trip around the world at the same time your peers are graduating 30k in debt and getting the same job you got without a degree five years ago.

School is great but debt sucks. Get a scholarship or have your parents pay, otherwise I would say work full time, stay out of debt, get job experience and save .



I would agree for the most part, but not for every degree. If someone is studying for something that will pay off highly in the end, such as becoming a doctor/lawyer/engineering, then it is fine to go into debt as you will have a means of paying it off comfortably, and it is worth the investment.

Other degrees should definitely be obtained with no debt in mind though.


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Re: I am contemplating going back to school to pursue a PhD [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23569595 - 08/23/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

even doctors, lawyers and engineering leaves a fat chance to recoup a worthwhile return of investment. you have to really push nose-in-ass to make it in these professions.


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Re: I am contemplating going back to school to pursue a PhD [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23569795 - 08/23/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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even doctors, lawyers and engineering leaves a fat chance to recoup a worthwhile return of investment. you have to really push nose-in-ass to make it in these professions.




Depends on your perspective. Each of these professions can grab you 100k/year, so its an issue of taking on the debt responsibly, doing the math, and choosing a reasonably priced school. The vast majority of doctors, lawyers, and engineers I know are doing just fine.


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Re: I am contemplating going back to school to pursue a PhD [Re: badchad]
    #23569804 - 08/23/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

doing fine is not what most people who go to law school go to law school for.


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Re: I am contemplating going back to school to pursue a PhD [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23569940 - 08/23/16 06:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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doing fine is not what most people who go to law school go to law school for.




Law school is three years post grad, about 7 years total. Finishing you around the age of 24 about 100-200k in debt. You can fairly easily pay that off by 30, and be smiling with a 100k+ salary the rest of your life, easily reaching 300+ or more. 

Again, some might view making hundreds of thousands a year by age 30 without debt a "fine," others may have a different perspective.


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Re: I am contemplating going back to school to pursue a PhD [Re: badchad]
    #23569954 - 08/23/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

it's frankly not worth the paper it's all printed on, to me.

debt is never worth it.


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Re: I am contemplating going back to school to pursue a PhD [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23570008 - 08/23/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I had always been an autodidact and even during all my years of school most of my learning was self directed .

That said I cherished my education and loved the whole university experience. I got enormous benefit from it. But I had a full ride and actually turned a large profit from going to school from scholarships and teaching and research contracts .

If I had graduated with 30k in debt I would feel cheated .

And I agree if it's one of a select few highly profitable degrees going into debt makes more sense .

The main benefit I got from my education was the self esteem and self confidence of having my degrees, the respect it earns from other people and the pride / satisfaction of my academic successes.

But these are largely intangibles . I could have been much farther ahead in my career / savings if I had worked full time during all those years , but then I would always feel a certain insecurity knowing I had no formal education , and I would have missed out on that great life experience .

I think if you value it as an experience it's priceless but if you are junking of education as a gauranteed golden key to a wealthy life you will likely be disappointed .

There is a massive number of people graduating  with large debt and bitter disappointment .

I think most kids are better off starting life without debt than with a degree .

If you are looking at humanities or arts, don't go into debt for it.

Education is a luxury and a privelege but not an economic necessity .

I feel like a lot of youth would be better off traveling the world after high school rather than the college degrees they do.


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Re: I am contemplating going back to school to pursue a PhD [Re: badchad]
    #23570402 - 08/23/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'd say go for it but I feel like a better fit for you might be a certified phlebotomist,X-ray tech, nurse etc. Something in the medical field. The only reason I say not a PHd is you can pay 10-20gs on a good paying medical field job but you'll spend a small fortune getting your PHd . Good luck CG


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Re: I am contemplating going back to school to pursue a PhD [Re: badchad] * 1
    #23571050 - 08/23/16 10:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Seriously_trippin said:
I'd say go for it but I feel like a better fit for you might be a certified phlebotomist,X-ray tech, nurse etc. Something in the medical field. The only reason I say not a PHd is you can pay 10-20gs on a good paying medical field job but you'll spend a small fortune getting your PHd . Good luck CG




I would hate to work in a lab and don't see myself in medicine at all. Especially not as an X-ray tech, I'd be afraid of the long-term harm done from exposure to radioactive waves.


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akira_akuma said:
even doctors, lawyers and engineering leaves a fat chance to recoup a worthwhile return of investment. you have to really push nose-in-ass to make it in these professions.




Depends on your perspective. Each of these professions can grab you 100k/year, so its an issue of taking on the debt responsibly, doing the math, and choosing a reasonably priced school. The vast majority of doctors, lawyers, and engineers I know are doing just fine.




My cousin went to law school at University of Michigan. Almost 2 years later he is still searching for a job.

He's from a very rich family though, so he can afford to refuse jobs unless it's his dream job. I keep telling him though if he waits too long to be employed, he will lose his opportunity to get hired at all.

Then my other friend graduated with a bachelors in mechanical engineering. Believe it or not a year later he told me he was still unemployed.

Sometimes it can even happen in these degrees.

And no, you're wrong about being able to pay off degrees by age 30. I've known doctors that didn't pay off their school debt until they were 45 or even 50. Sometimes life gets in the way and when you have an expensive mortgage and kids, it delays being able to pay off your school tuition debt in full. People who are successful doctors and lawyers usually have more expensive mortgages, more expensive cars, they usually send their kids to private school... so it still takes them decades to pay off their student loans.

Furthermore, with a lot of these professions, you actually have a better chance of getting hired with a high-prestige university (which often cost more), than with a state college. You're better off finding employment and landing high-prestige jobs having graduated from Yale or NYU than you are at some random place like Indiana State University.

Lastly, new law school graduates with no experience don't start out making $100K. They usually start out working at courthouses as a prosecutor or defense attorney, making roughly $50K, for several years, before moving on up to professions in the private sector that pay significantly more.


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Re: I am contemplating going back to school to pursue a PhD [Re: something super extreme]
    #23572235 - 08/24/16 09:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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something super extreme said:
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travelleler said:
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What are you looking to get a PhD in and what field are you working in or looking to work in




I was hoping to get a PhD in political science






:rofl::rofl2:


OMG.  ok.  Nevermind me. 


http://www.thesimpledollar.com/10-worst-college-degrees-to-earn-in-2015/


if you don't see any problems with poli-sci degrees then you're perfect for the job. 

:cheers:


FYI political science is NOT SCIENTIFIC.  It's sociology and psychology... anthropological. 

Also, one of the easiest bullshit degrees you can get and still be considered academic. 

So like what's your point?  earn a title in exchange for your willing servitude to the banking cartel? 

For what?




Someone couldn't get into college.




do you live in Singapore?  ANYBODY CAN GET INTO COLLEGE IF THEY ARE DUMB ENOUGH TO ACCEPT THE BURDEN OF DEBT.  Not sure if you even speak the same language so I'm not going to try much harder than this:

rather, someone refuses to gernerate debt for the banking cartel.  You are free to do as you like with your life.  Unfortunately, if you put money first under the guise of education... where the only thing setting you apart from others is the color of your shoes, you will get what everyone else has.  mmkay?

interesting.  For a group of people in a place of open-mindedness how incredibly closed-minded you can be. 


they dont teach what I want to learn in colleges.  have fun in "the real world" kiddo.



over and out.


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Re: I am contemplating going back to school to pursue a PhD [Re: travelleler]
    #23572244 - 08/24/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Haha you don't know what I have or haven't made a priority in my life. You're a bitter burnout who can't get into school, LOL!!!
Good job not "gernerating" any debt, we appreciate schooling not being wasted on the irredeemably hopeless.


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Re: I am contemplating going back to school to pursue a PhD [Re: something super extreme]
    #23572248 - 08/24/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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something super extreme said:
Haha you don't know what I have or haven't made a priority in my life. You're a bitter burnout who can't get into school, LOL!!!
Good job not "gernerating" any debt, we appreciate schooling not being wasted on the irredeemably hopeless.





for a guy who knows nothing you have a lot to say.


and you're an entitled jackwad who owns a computer, congratulations. 


you can lead a horse to water but you cant expect the horse to separate the water into it's philosophical elements.

cheers asshole.


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Re: I am contemplating going back to school to pursue a PhD [Re: travelleler] * 2
    #23572254 - 08/24/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

haha bitter dropout with no credit gets mad about college on shroomery.org/forums, LOL!!!

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Re: I am contemplating going back to school to pursue a PhD [Re: something super extreme]
    #23572271 - 08/24/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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haha bitter dropout with no credit gets mad about college on shroomery.org/forums, LOL!!!

ps
its*






go on say something intelligent.  We are waiting. 

lets hear something you didn't plagarize.


go on.  We will wait.


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Re: I am contemplating going back to school to pursue a PhD [Re: travelleler] * 1
    #23572273 - 08/24/16 09:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

go on and send me another butthurt crybaby :pm:

LOL!!!


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Re: I am contemplating going back to school to pursue a PhD [Re: something super extreme]
    #23572280 - 08/24/16 09:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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go on and send me another butthurt crybaby :pm:

LOL!!!






that's very intelligent.  Good work.


with an attitude like that you could make staff sergeant in no time.


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Re: I am contemplating going back to school to pursue a PhD [Re: travelleler]
    #23572288 - 08/24/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So I've NIGGED "something extreme" I cant see any of his bullshit posts or read any of his insults. 

I'm sorry you guys had to witness this.


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Re: I am contemplating going back to school to pursue a PhD [Re: travelleler]
    #23572332 - 08/24/16 09:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Don't feel sorry. That shit was hilarious


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Re: I am contemplating going back to school to pursue a PhD [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #23572383 - 08/24/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Don't feel sorry. That shit was hilarious





Hey!  I feel human again!  Thank you




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Re: I am contemplating going back to school to pursue a PhD [Re: travelleler]
    #23572390 - 08/24/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

you can't lie to the deaf if they're not listening.


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