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Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance
    #23564939 - 08/22/16 02:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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A senior aide to U.S. Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump signaled a possible shift in his hardline immigration policies on Sunday, saying his plans to deport 11 million people who are in the country illegally were under review.

Trump has put his vow to toughen the country's immigration policies at the center of his campaign. He has promised to carry out mass deportations and build a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border, proposals that critics have assailed as inhumane and too costly and unrealistic to achieve.

Trailing Democrat Hillary Clinton in opinion polls for the Nov. 8 election and struggling to broaden his support beyond the white working-class voters who have been his base of support, the New York businessman has reached out in recent days to black and Hispanic voters.

On Sunday, his new campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, told CNN that Trump was committed to a "fair and humane" approach to those living in the country illegally.

"What he supports is to make sure we enforce the law, we are respectful of those Americans who are looking for well-paying jobs and that we are fair and humane to those who live among us in this country," Conway said on "State of the Union."

Pressed on whether Trump's plans would include a "deportation force" that the candidate previously pledged to set up, she replied: "To be determined."

Republican Senator Jeff Sessions, a close ally of Trump, told CBS's "Face the Nation" that Trump was still working through his plans for deportations should he win the White House.

"He's wrestling with how to do that. People that are here unlawfully, came into the country against our laws, are subject to being removed. That's just plain fact," the Alabama lawmaker said. "He's thinking that through."

Trump has also been rebuked by opponents for his proposal to impose a temporary "total and complete shutdown" of Muslims seeking to enter the country, later rolled back to focus on countries with "a proven history of terrorism."

Clinton has accused Trump of sowing divisiveness and said she would propose a path to citizenship for some migrants living in the United States illegally. The former secretary of state has said that militant groups like Islamic State have begun using Trump's proposed Muslim ban as a recruitment tool.

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Conway's comments came after Trump announced last week a major reshuffling of his campaign. Trump promoted Conway, who had been a senior adviser, to the role of campaign manager and hired Stephen Bannon, head of the Breitbart News website, as campaign chief executive.

The Trump campaign said on Friday that campaign chairman Paul Manafort was resigning.

The campaign's new leadership combines Bannon, a combative conservative, with Conway, a data-driven analyst who has been trying to broaden Trump's appeal to women and independent voters.

Trump's support has slumped in national polls in recent weeks and surveys in pivotal states such as Pennsylvania and New Hampshire have shown a widening lead for Clinton.

A Reuters/Ipsos survey released on Friday showed Clinton leading Trump nationally by 8 percentage points, 42 percent to 34 percent.

Trump vowed at a campaign rally in Fredericksburg, Virginia, on Saturday to return the Republican Party to the values of President Abraham Lincoln, who issued the Emancipation Proclamation and championed the 13th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution during the U.S. Civil War that led to the abolition of slavery in 1865.

Earlier on Saturday, Trump met with a group of Hispanic leaders as part of a new National Hispanic Advisory Council to the campaign.




Looks like trump is getting cold feet


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: howsyournaggerdoin] * 1
    #23564949 - 08/22/16 03:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

He did the math and realized he was fucked without the Hispanic vote.

Seems like it could be pretty late in the game for that. He's been busy putting his foot in his mouth re: Latin immigration for years, three months until election doesn't seem like a lot of time to patch up his image. The Trump campaign has been pretty desperate lately.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23564983 - 08/22/16 03:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

"Build the wall" is red meat to these knuckle draggers


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23564986 - 08/22/16 03:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm conflicted. I hope he doesn't puss out and cater to illegals to get those "taco bowl" votes (democrats' nickname for Latino voters) but I'm very concerned about a mentally ill Killary ruling..and also at the same time I wouldn't want him to lie to such a big demographic for the votes..and I also wouldn't want him to actually go through with this shift in policy? Gahh. This election fuckin blows. I want to move to New Zealand.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: koods] * 2
    #23564997 - 08/22/16 03:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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"Build the wall" is red meat to these knuckle draggers




Yeah! Border control is only bad when America does it because "racism"!


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: howsyournaggerdoin] * 1
    #23564999 - 08/22/16 03:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

"The Leopard does not change his spots".


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Le_Canard]
    #23565016 - 08/22/16 04:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Is that not a fitting saying for Hillary after the amount of times she's changed her mind depending on who she's talking to? Know what uses its spots to deceive? Snakes.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Eminence]
    #23565017 - 08/22/16 04:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I bet Trump has more liver spots


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23565019 - 08/22/16 04:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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He did the math and realized he was fucked without the Hispanic vote.





horse shit


the vast majority of hispanics never vote republican, why would they now?


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Eminence]
    #23565021 - 08/22/16 04:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Eminence said:
Is that not a fitting saying for Hillary after the amount of times she's changed her mind depending on who she's talking to? Know what uses its spots to deceive? Snakes.





I certainly can't argue with that. Neither one is fit to lead this country.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: howsyournaggerdoin] * 1
    #23565123 - 08/22/16 06:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Trump is going to wipe the floor with that frail old cunt. How dumb do the democrats have to be to put their faith in such a TERRIBLE candidate. Absolutely pathetic.

No wonder it's a proven indisputable fact that democrats are the least informed out of members of any political party. Proven. Indisputable. Uninformed.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Webster10] * 1
    #23565331 - 08/22/16 08:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Trump just said the other day that he's 100% sure that a southern border wall will be built.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: qman] * 1
    #23565344 - 08/22/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

we shouldnt let illegals come here, have babies, then vote. Thats fucking stupid. Amerca ruined itself. We should have been monitering  both of our borders with drones for years


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Eminence]
    #23565358 - 08/22/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Eminence said:
Is that not a fitting saying for Hillary after the amount of times she's changed her mind depending on who she's talking to? Know what uses its spots to deceive? Snakes.



Do you guys ever have an original thought?


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: koods] * 3
    #23565370 - 08/22/16 09:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Do you guys ever have a logical thought? I noticed you were speechless last night after hearing the audio proof of your empress making jokes about defending a child rapist :lol: Face it, it's not about Trump, as a guilt riddled gay white guy who's been neutered by your own party, you just blindly oppose anyone who is not democrat. Either that, or you have no fucking soul


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Eminence]
    #23565381 - 08/22/16 09:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Honestly, how does anyone support this man for president?

Even if he really does "love the hispanics," he doesnt have the foresight to begin courting their votes sooner than 3 months before the election?

Idiocy.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Eminence]
    #23565395 - 08/22/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Do you guys ever have a logical thought? I noticed you were speechless last night after hearing the audio proof of your empress making jokes about defending a child rapist :lol: Face it, it's not about Trump, as a guilt riddled gay white guy who's been neutered by your own party, you just blindly oppose anyone who is not democrat. Either that, or you have no fucking soul



Your audio is just proof of how total unhinged from reality you are


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23565397 - 08/22/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Honestly, how does anyone support this man for president?

Even if he really does "love the hispanics," he doesnt have the foresight to begin courting their votes sooner than 3 months before the election?

Idiocy.




Why would he want to court votes from a small minority of voters when the majority of voters disagree with their issues?  Simple math tells us it makes no sense.

The majority of whites want to see an end of illegal immigration, want to see deportation, and want to see border enforcement. If Hispanic voters are against these policies, why try to court them?


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: qman]
    #23565405 - 08/22/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:
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The Ecstatic said:
Honestly, how does anyone support this man for president?

Even if he really does "love the hispanics," he doesnt have the foresight to begin courting their votes sooner than 3 months before the election?

Idiocy.




Why would he want to court votes from a small minority of voters when the majority of voters disagree with their issues?  Simple math tells us it makes no sense.

The majority of whites want to see an end of illegal immigration, want to see deportation, and want to see border enforcement. If Hispanic voters are against these policies, why try to court them?




Because he has absolutely no shot at the presidency otherwise.

Like I said, zero foresight.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23565417 - 08/22/16 09:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Immigrants come in, have babies who are sympathetic to illegals that vote in people who wn enforce the law, there goes america. It isnt even america at that point.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: koods]
    #23565424 - 08/22/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Do you guys ever have a logical thought? I noticed you were speechless last night after hearing the audio proof of your empress making jokes about defending a child rapist :lol: Face it, it's not about Trump, as a guilt riddled gay white guy who's been neutered by your own party, you just blindly oppose anyone who is not democrat. Either that, or you have no fucking soul




Your audio is just proof of how total unhinged from reality you are




Lol you always manage to give me a good laugh Koods. You're in denial like crazy


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23565425 - 08/22/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Isnt that how america got created ?


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23565431 - 08/22/16 09:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This logic is painful
we subsumed 'Native' culture, so its good that ours gets subsumed by Latin American culture? ook at everywhere south of the border. We aready have a poverty problem, we dont want to inherit theirs


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23565434 - 08/22/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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qman said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Honestly, how does anyone support this man for president?

Even if he really does "love the hispanics," he doesnt have the foresight to begin courting their votes sooner than 3 months before the election?

Idiocy.




Why would he want to court votes from a small minority of voters when the majority of voters disagree with their issues?  Simple math tells us it makes no sense.

The majority of whites want to see an end of illegal immigration, want to see deportation, and want to see border enforcement. If Hispanic voters are against these policies, why try to court them?




Because he has absolutely no shot at the presidency otherwise.

Like I said, zero foresight.




He doesn't need the Hispanic vote if you're using demographics based on race.

I met a Mexican woman (age 50's) the other day with some friends, she was sophisticated and very intelligent, the subject of Trump was mentioned and she told me she and many of her family members are Trump supporters.

She has family members that live next to the southern border and they want to see border enforcement because it's a complete mess today.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23565441 - 08/22/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Isnt that how america got created ?




No, immigration was controlled and was based on geographic location, it was NOT a free for all.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23565444 - 08/22/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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qman said:
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The Ecstatic said:
Honestly, how does anyone support this man for president?

Even if he really does "love the hispanics," he doesnt have the foresight to begin courting their votes sooner than 3 months before the election?

Idiocy.




Why would he want to court votes from a small minority of voters when the majority of voters disagree with their issues?  Simple math tells us it makes no sense.

The majority of whites want to see an end of illegal immigration, want to see deportation, and want to see border enforcement. If Hispanic voters are against these policies, why try to court them?




Because he has absolutely no shot at the presidency otherwise.

Like I said, zero foresight.




And how do you not see this as a problem? Enforcing borders, putting our own people first is a bad thing to you? Can someone please answer me why enforcing the borders and keeping out illegal immigrants is only a problem if fucking white people do it?! Seriously, NOBODY but America and European countries have to hear shit about wanting to keep out illegals. We already have the most lenient border control out of everybody, start trying to illegally enter Mexico and see what happens. It's also a slap in the face to any Mexicans that put in the time and effort to actually come here the way it's meant to be done.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: qman]
    #23565451 - 08/22/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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qman said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Honestly, how does anyone support this man for president?

Even if he really does "love the hispanics," he doesnt have the foresight to begin courting their votes sooner than 3 months before the election?

Idiocy.




Why would he want to court votes from a small minority of voters when the majority of voters disagree with their issues?  Simple math tells us it makes no sense.

The majority of whites want to see an end of illegal immigration, want to see deportation, and want to see border enforcement. If Hispanic voters are against these policies, why try to court them?




Because he has absolutely no shot at the presidency otherwise.

Like I said, zero foresight.




He doesn't need the Hispanic vote if you're using demographics based on race.

I met a Mexican woman (age 50's) the other day with some friends, she was sophisticated and very intelligent, the subject of Trump was mentioned and she told me she and many of her family members are Trump supporters.

She has family members that live next to the southern border and they want to see border enforcement because it's a complete mess today.




Pray tell: how does Trump win without >10% of the Hispanic vote?


Thats nice you met an outlier but that doesnt amount to shit.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23565457 - 08/22/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ezuma babbled:

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And how do you not see this as a problem?




I didnt say it wasnt.

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Enforcing borders, putting our own people first is a bad thing to you?




I never said that.

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Can someone please answer me why enforcing the borders and keeping out illegal immigrants is only a problem if fucking white people do it?!




Nobody is arguing that.

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Seriously, NOBODY but America and European countries have to hear shit about wanting to keep out illegals.




Wrong.

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We already have the most lenient border control out of everybody




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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23565464 - 08/22/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Do you know what matters more than the minority vote?  Whites that choose to use their right to vote!

I know so many white people that have NEVER voted in their lifetimes that are going to vote for Trump, that's why the Hispanic votes don't matter, you do realize that the US population is 70% white?


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: qman]
    #23565542 - 08/22/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:
Do you know what matters more than the minority vote?  Whites that choose to use their right to vote!

I know so many white people that have NEVER voted in their lifetimes that are going to vote for Trump, that's why the Hispanic votes don't matter, you do realize that the US population is 70% white?





I do.

Do you realize roughly half of them dont vote? And roughly half that do dont vote Republican?


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23565574 - 08/22/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Immigrants come in, have babies who are sympathetic to illegals that vote in people who wn enforce the law, there goes america. It isnt even america at that point.



Lol that's exactly what America has always been.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: qman] * 2
    #23565578 - 08/22/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:
Do you know what matters more than the minority vote?  Whites that choose to use their right to vote!

I know so many white people that have NEVER voted in their lifetimes that are going to vote for Trump, that's why the Hispanic votes don't matter, you do realize that the US population is 70% white?



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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: koods]
    #23565608 - 08/22/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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koods said:
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qman said:
Do you know what matters more than the minority vote?  Whites that choose to use their right to vote!

I know so many white people that have NEVER voted in their lifetimes that are going to vote for Trump, that's why the Hispanic votes don't matter, you do realize that the US population is 70% white?



Well at least you admit that trumps support is about white supremacy




No,I didn't admit that, Ecstatic was trying to make this a race based election, I told him that Trump does not need the Hispanic vote because there's enough of whites to vote him into office.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: koods]
    #23565610 - 08/22/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Immigrants come in, have babies who are sympathetic to illegals that vote in people who wn enforce the law, there goes america. It isnt even america at that point.



Lol that's exactly what America has always been.




No, Europeans came here legally, big difference.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: howsyournaggerdoin] * 1
    #23565673 - 08/22/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I believe the article is designed to create dissent among Trumpers on the fence and undecideds, and I don't believe all the extrapolations in it.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Webster10]
    #23565681 - 08/22/16 11:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Webster10 said:
Trump is going to wipe the floor with that frail old cunt. How dumb do the democrats have to be to put their faith in such a TERRIBLE candidate. Absolutely pathetic.

No wonder it's a proven indisputable fact that democrats are the least informed out of members of any political party. Proven. Indisputable. Uninformed.




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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: qman]
    #23565705 - 08/22/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Do you know what matters more than the minority vote?  Whites that choose to use their right to vote!

I know so many white people that have NEVER voted in their lifetimes that are going to vote for Trump, that's why the Hispanic votes don't matter, you do realize that the US population is 70% white?



Well at least you admit that trumps support is about white supremacy




No,I didn't admit that, Ecstatic was trying to make this a race based election, I told him that Trump does not need the Hispanic vote because there's enough of whites to vote him into office.




Do you realize the thread topic is about Trump pivoting towards hispanics?

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    #23565707 - 08/22/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I actually thought there was a chance that the dude in Florida who went on a roid rage and ate his neighbors face while wearing a trump hat was Webster.


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qman said:
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Do you know what matters more than the minority vote?  Whites that choose to use their right to vote!

I know so many white people that have NEVER voted in their lifetimes that are going to vote for Trump, that's why the Hispanic votes don't matter, you do realize that the US population is 70% white?



Well at least you admit that trumps support is about white supremacy




No,I didn't admit that, Ecstatic was trying to make this a race based election, I told him that Trump does not need the Hispanic vote because there's enough of whites to vote him into office.




Do you realize the thread topic is about Trump pivoting towards hispanics?

Stop projecting your racism onto others.



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I actually thought there was a chance that the dude in Florida who went on a roid rage and ate his neighbors face while wearing a trump hat was Webster.



I worked out with that kid before haha. One of my really good friends was really good friends with him. The roids, bath salts and whatever other rumors there are are all false. He had problems, and I knew it just from talking to him a few times. He just snapped. He was in one of the frats I've partied with too. Good guys


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    #23565837 - 08/22/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You didn't answer my question so I'm gonna take that to be a "yes"


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Do you know what matters more than the minority vote?  Whites that choose to use their right to vote!

I know so many white people that have NEVER voted in their lifetimes that are going to vote for Trump, that's why the Hispanic votes don't matter, you do realize that the US population is 70% white?



Well at least you admit that trumps support is about white supremacy




No,I didn't admit that, Ecstatic was trying to make this a race based election, I told him that Trump does not need the Hispanic vote because there's enough of whites to vote him into office.




Do you realize the thread topic is about Trump pivoting towards hispanics?

Stop projecting your racism onto others.




"is about Trump pivoting towards Hispanics"

That's what the media is always forcing down everyone's throat, Trump doesn't need their vote.

"Stop projecting your racism onto others"

So proving that Trump doesn't need the minority vote is "racism"?  :lolwut:


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: qman]
    #23565858 - 08/22/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You didn't prove shit. You just admitted that Trump is the white man's candidate. Good thing most white people don't like Trump, either.


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Do you know what matters more than the minority vote?  Whites that choose to use their right to vote!

I know so many white people that have NEVER voted in their lifetimes that are going to vote for Trump, that's why the Hispanic votes don't matter, you do realize that the US population is 70% white?



Well at least you admit that trumps support is about white supremacy




No,I didn't admit that, Ecstatic was trying to make this a race based election, I told him that Trump does not need the Hispanic vote because there's enough of whites to vote him into office.




Do you realize the thread topic is about Trump pivoting towards hispanics?

Stop projecting your racism onto others.



His post count would plummet.




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    #23565870 - 08/22/16 12:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You didn't prove shit. You just admitted that Trump is the white man's candidate. Good thing most white people don't like Trump, either.




He said Trump needs Hispanics to vote for him, I showed it isn't needed if you examine the demographics of the US.

You do realize many blacks, Hispanics, and Asians will vote for Trump?


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Yes, I am. So very, very many.


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Yes, I am. So very, very many.




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Caitlyn Jenner is not a demographic


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I dunno, I assume so? She supported Ted Cruz originally :facepalm:


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You didn't answer my question so I'm gonna take that to be a "yes"



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    #23565902 - 08/22/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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    #23565915 - 08/22/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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We already have the most lenient border control out of everybody




Wrong.




Maybe not more lenient than parts of Europe, but how else did we get 11 million illegals here?


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: qman]
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You didn't prove shit. You just admitted that Trump is the white man's candidate. Good thing most white people don't like Trump, either.




He said Trump needs Hispanics to vote for him, I showed it isn't needed if you examine the demographics of the US.

You do realize many blacks, Hispanics, and Asians will vote for Trump?




All you did was say how many white people there are in America.

Nothing about how many of them will vote.
Or how many will vote Trump.
Or how many will vote compared to minorities.
Or how many will vote Trump enough to offset his single digit polling amongst said minoritied.
Or how many will vote Johnson or Stein, or wont vote at all despute claiming to wanting to.


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You didn't prove shit. You just admitted that Trump is the white man's candidate. Good thing most white people don't like Trump, either.




He said Trump needs Hispanics to vote for him, I showed it isn't needed if you examine the demographics of the US.

You do realize many blacks, Hispanics, and Asians will vote for Trump?




All you did was say how many white people there are in America.

Nothing about how many of them will vote.
Or how many will vote Trump.
Or how many will vote compared to minorities.
Or how many will vote Trump enough to offset his single digit polling amongst said minoritied.
Or how many will vote Johnson or Stein, or wont vote at all despute claiming to wanting to.




So with all that being said, why did you state Trump needs more Hispanic voters to win?  You don't know that, stop spewing the MSM narrative that the election results are dictated on Hispanic or black voters, it's not.


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Do you know what matters more than the minority vote?  Whites that choose to use their right to vote!

I know so many white people that have NEVER voted in their lifetimes that are going to vote for Trump, that's why the Hispanic votes don't matter, you do realize that the US population is 70% white?



Well at least you admit that trumps support is about white supremacy




Still on with the "white supremacy" bullshit huh? I would think a white supremacist would be against immigration of all kinds from any ethnicity who isn't white, not only illegal. Ever wonder why an alleged white supremacist like Trump doesn't talk about Indians, eastern Asians, etc? It's simple, because they tend to come here legally and fit in just fine here. Illegal Mexicans are a problem in America, it's not something only a "white supremacist" would notice. Seriously, the only reason race or nationality is such a big factor in politics is because of democrats. You guys have such a fake sense of self righteousness it's disgusting. If you wanna bitch about racists, start bitching about Obama.


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I'm conflicted. I hope he doesn't puss out and cater to illegals to get those "taco bowl" votes (democrats' nickname for Latino voters) but I'm very concerned about a mentally ill Killary ruling..and also at the same time I wouldn't want him to lie to such a big demographic for the votes..and I also wouldn't want him to actually go through with this shift in policy? Gahh. This election fuckin blows. I want to move to New Zealand.



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We already have the most lenient border control out of everybody




Wrong.




Maybe not more lenient than parts of Europe, but how else did we get 11 million illegals here?




Oh yeah, I take that back. A lot of Europe just has no balls anymore plain and simple.


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You're analyzing the demographics of the United States and making predictions about the election based on those demographics?!?!? You fricken racist!!


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Do you know what matters more than the minority vote?  Whites that choose to use their right to vote!

I know so many white people that have NEVER voted in their lifetimes that are going to vote for Trump, that's why the Hispanic votes don't matter, you do realize that the US population is 70% white?



Well at least you admit that trumps support is about white supremacy




Still on with the "white supremacy" bullshit huh? I would think a white supremacist would be against immigration of all kinds from any ethnicity who isn't white, not only illegal. Ever wonder why an alleged white supremacist like Trump doesn't talk about Indians, eastern Asians, etc? It's simple, because they tend to come here legally and fit in just fine here. Illegal Mexicans are a problem in America, it's not something only a "white supremacist" would notice. Seriously, the only reason race or nationality is such a big factor in politics is because of democrats. You guys have such a fake sense of self righteousness it's disgusting. If you wanna bitch about racists, start bitching about Obama.



Trump is racist and anyone who votes for him is racist too! I'm white but because I talk about racism constantly, I'm not racist!! You fricken racist!!!


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You didn't prove shit. You just admitted that Trump is the white man's candidate. Good thing most white people don't like Trump, either.




He said Trump needs Hispanics to vote for him, I showed it isn't needed if you examine the demographics of the US.

You do realize many blacks, Hispanics, and Asians will vote for Trump?




All you did was say how many white people there are in America.

Nothing about how many of them will vote.
Or how many will vote Trump.
Or how many will vote compared to minorities.
Or how many will vote Trump enough to offset his single digit polling amongst said minoritied.
Or how many will vote Johnson or Stein, or wont vote at all despute claiming to wanting to.




So with all that being said, why did you state Trump needs more Hispanic voters to win?  You don't know that, stop spewing the MSM narrative that the election results are dictated on Hispanic or black voters, it's not.




This one is. Most are.


The fact is Trump doesnt even have close to all of the white vote. Lets assume its a direct split of that 70% you mentioned.

35 each. But Hillary has virtually all the minorities so its pretty clear theres a concern. After all, this isnt some "MSM narrative," its a shift from the Trump campaign itself (this coming directly after his "come on blacks you got nothing to lose" plea last week).


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You're analyzing the demographics of the United States and making predictions about the election based on those demographics?!?!? You fricken racist!!




Well, Hispanics are only 17% of the US population and less than 50% of them are registered to vote, while whites are near 70% of the population with a 64% voter turnout, it doesn't take a mathematical genius to figure out the Hispanic vote isn't very important.

It's funny the MSM never mentions those facts.


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    #23566193 - 08/22/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Dude, that's disgusting, stop projecting your racism onto everyone. No one wants to hear your racist facts. Saying the Hispanic vote doesn't matter as much as the white vote? You fricken racist. The Hispanic vote, despite the shockingly vast difference in how many will turn out compared to whites, is THE most important vote. Just ask Rachel Maddow or Don Lemon. They'll tell you!!


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We already have the most lenient border control out of everybody




Wrong.




Maybe not more lenient than parts of Europe, but how else did we get 11 million illegals here?




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http://video.foxnews.com/v/5092060082001/polls-show-trump-only-slightly-ahead-of-clinton-in-texas/?#sp=show-clips

What a fucking loser. He could lose Texas. TEXAS!!!




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LOL yeah, that's it, they instantly decide to move to Texas, where they aren't going to catch a break, instead of Delaware.


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Texas is closer and has a more similar climate. Wouldn't expect a canaduuuuhhhhian to know that though.


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http://video.foxnews.com/v/5092060082001/polls-show-trump-only-slightly-ahead-of-clinton-in-texas/?#sp=show-clips

What a fucking loser. He could lose Texas. TEXAS!!!



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Texas is closer and has a more similar climate. Wouldn't expect a canaduuuuhhhhian to know that though.



yeah, but, you know, wtf does any of that have to do with what was said? climate? fuck cares? i'm talking about tax burden.


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We already have the most lenient border control out of everybody




Wrong.




Maybe not more lenient than parts of Europe, but how else did we get 11 million illegals here?




The question was to you Mr. Static:popcorn:




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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23566636 - 08/22/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Why would they move from a highly taxed state like California to another highly taxed state across the country with a different climate? The more logical thing to do would be to move CLOSE, to Texas, where they have a similar climate and lower taxes. Canaduuuhhhhhhhh


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Webster10]
    #23566642 - 08/22/16 05:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

that may be logical to you, but moving closer means dick-all, wtf are you worried about, gas money?


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Webster10]
    #23566644 - 08/22/16 05:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Why would they move from a highly taxed state like California to another highly taxed state across the country with a different climate? The more logical thing to do would be to move CLOSE, to Texas, where they have a similar climate and lower taxes. Canaduuuhhhhhhhh




Delaware is known as being tax friendly.

How does the Canadian know that and not you?


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23566647 - 08/22/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The climate, you fucking canaduuuuhhhhhian


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23566650 - 08/22/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Why would they move from a highly taxed state like California to another highly taxed state across the country with a different climate? The more logical thing to do would be to move CLOSE, to Texas, where they have a similar climate and lower taxes. Canaduuuhhhhhhhh




Delaware is known as being tax friendly.

How does the Canadian know that and not you?



Yeah, it also has a higher minority population too. You saying minorities need more tax breaks? Stop projecting your racism, man. has Bernie taught you nothing?


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Webster10]
    #23566664 - 08/22/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

wtf are you talking about? minorities? but i thought Californian's loved minorities, so wouldn't they want to....

:facepalm: i can't follow this inconsistent logic.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: koods]
    #23566665 - 08/22/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Is that not a fitting saying for Hillary after the amount of times she's changed her mind depending on who she's talking to? Know what uses its spots to deceive? Snakes.



Do you guys ever have an original thought?






is this about the wall that hillary wanted to build?


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23566675 - 08/22/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

the wall is about the only thing that anyone has proposed that makes any sort of sense, and it still will not be made effective. the wall will still come out of taxpayer's dime, too. LOL

and that's it. that's the only thing that makes sense in this election.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: koods]
    #23566676 - 08/22/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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http://video.foxnews.com/v/5092060082001/polls-show-trump-only-slightly-ahead-of-clinton-in-texas/?#sp=show-clips

What a fucking loser. He could lose Texas. TEXAS!!!





how many times did you vote in that poll


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23566688 - 08/22/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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the wall is about the only thing that anyone has proposed that makes any sort of sense, and it still will not be made effective. the wall will still come out of taxpayer's dime, too. LOL

and that's it. that's the only thing that makes sense in this election.







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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23566690 - 08/22/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i just can't keep up with you meme generation types.

where's the meme where Hilary strokes out, falls and becomes rigid over the primer switch when Russia fires it's missiles?


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23566699 - 08/22/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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i just can't keep up with you meme generation types.

where's the meme where Hilary strokes out, falls and becomes rigid over the primer switch when Russia fires it's missiles?






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what race am i touting as inferior?


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23566718 - 08/22/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Why would they move from a highly taxed state like California to another highly taxed state across the country with a different climate? The more logical thing to do would be to move CLOSE, to Texas, where they have a similar climate and lower taxes. Canaduuuhhhhhhhh




Delaware is known as being tax friendly.

How does the Canadian know that and not you?



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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23566750 - 08/22/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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the wall is about the only thing that anyone has proposed that makes any sort of sense, and it still will not be made effective. the wall will still come out of taxpayer's dime, too. LOL

and that's it. that's the only thing that makes sense in this election.




A border wall offers an excellent return on investment for US taxpayers and US workers, I'm glad you finally have come to your senses.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: qman]
    #23566760 - 08/22/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i have never been against the wall, per se, (if you paid attention, i was never against the wall, just what was preceding after the wall, deportation) seeing as though it's the only thing that isn't bereft of sense, that's on the table right now...but deporting people...that, however, is pretty manipulative. still not on board with that. banning immigration from certain countries, Afghanistan, Syria, ect, is fine, but deporting people is unconstitutional and sneaky, all at once.

and the thing is about the wall, is that if it's ineffective it'll have cost a lot of money for no return of investment. a wall has never proven efficacious for the US, so we'll have to see. but Mexico paying for it? in one lump sum, no; though it'd help. but no, they'll "pay for it" as much as the US taxpayer "pays for it" themselves; just to be clear.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Webster10]
    #23566762 - 08/22/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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http://video.foxnews.com/v/5092060082001/polls-show-trump-only-slightly-ahead-of-clinton-in-texas/?#sp=show-clips

What a fucking loser. He could lose Texas. TEXAS!!!



https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/08/22/monmouth-university-pollster-patrick-murray-busted-manipulating-poll-data-then-lying-about-it/#more-120488

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The article proves that pollsters are changing the poll numbers literally based on Party ID. They weigh democrat responses more heavily. Pathetic polling, pathetic people, pathetic candidate, pathetic supporters. The Hillary people couldn't be more pathetic.






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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: qman]
    #23566765 - 08/22/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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the wall is about the only thing that anyone has proposed that makes any sort of sense, and it still will not be made effective. the wall will still come out of taxpayer's dime, too. LOL

and that's it. that's the only thing that makes sense in this election.




A border wall offers an excellent return on investment for US taxpayers and US workers, I'm glad you finally have come to your senses.





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    #23566774 - 08/22/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

LOL, that's fundamental bullshit.

read the damn Trump threads in politics, i have never been against the wall, only the politics behind the wall, and i've been suspicious of it's efficacy in being built without it costing more money than it's worth, or rather, what people are speculating it'll be worth, monetarily.

but a wall, per se, nope, never been against it.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23566778 - 08/22/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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.but deporting people...that, however, is pretty manipulative.  banning immigration from certain countries, Afghanistan, Syria, ect, is fine, but deporting people is unconstitutional and sneaky, all at once.





koods tells us that obama has deported more illegals than any other president, does
that bean that he's violated the constitution?

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    #23566784 - 08/22/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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but a wall, per se, nope, never been against it.






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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23566814 - 08/22/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

yes, per se. as in, a wall is just a defence of a border. there are tons of walls. walls are not a big deal. the cost-effectiveness of the big giant wall that covers the entire US border, that's what the deal is. so yes, per se.

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.but deporting people...that, however, is pretty manipulative.  banning immigration from certain countries, Afghanistan, Syria, ect, is fine, but deporting people is unconstitutional and sneaky, all at once.





koods tells us that obama has deported more illegals than any other president, does
that bean that he's violated the constitution?

can you show us where in the constitution it say people cannot be deported?



i'm not talking about deporting illegals. i was talking to Qman about what i've "finally gotten on board with", which is a mis-ID, but i'm grateful nonetheless for his understanding.

i was talking about banning immigration from certain nations that may be harboring terrorists, and how when it comes to "banning Muslims" due to the threat of Islamic terrorism, it wouldn't be constitutional or ethical to then treat Muslims like second-class citizens, give them undue searches due to their status as a Muslim; you certainly can't ban these people, you can't deport them, seeing as they are US citizens. i'm not talking about illegals.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23566853 - 08/22/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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yes, per se. as in, a wall is just a defence of a border. there are tons of walls. walls are not a big deal. the cost-effectiveness of the big giant wall that covers the entire US border, that's what the deal is. so yes, per se.

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.but deporting people...that, however, is pretty manipulative.  banning immigration from certain countries, Afghanistan, Syria, ect, is fine, but deporting people is unconstitutional and sneaky, all at once.





koods tells us that obama has deported more illegals than any other president, does
that bean that he's violated the constitution?

can you show us where in the constitution it say people cannot be deported?



i'm not talking about deporting illegals. i was talking to Qman about what i've "finally gotten on board with", which is a mis-ID, but i'm grateful nonetheless for his understanding.

i was talking about banning immigration from certain nations that may be harboring terrorists, and how when it comes to "banning Muslims" due to the threat of Islamic terrorism, it wouldn't be constitutional or ethical to then treat Muslims like second-class citizens, give them undue searches due to their status as a Muslim; you certainly can't ban these people, you can't deport them, seeing as they are US citizens. i'm not talking about illegals.





you quite plainly stated that deporting people was manipulative and
unconstitutional but since obama does it you've decided to backpedal


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    #23566864 - 08/22/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Trump was talking about deporting Muslims for being Muslim, and there were talks of special Muslim ID's. all such bullshit unconstitutional; and if Obama did it, i'd be against it too.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23566930 - 08/22/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Trump was talking about deporting Muslims for being Muslim, and there were talks of special Muslim ID's. all such bullshit unconstitutional; and if Obama did it, i'd be against it too.




No, Trump never talked about deporting Muslim Americans, he said they shouldn't come to the US from other nations. He said illegals should be deported, big difference.


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    #23566956 - 08/22/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

now now, i do believe he stated that, and other's have too. he also did mention ID's.


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now now, i do believe he stated that, and other's have too. he also did mention ID's.




http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/trump-muslim-ban-probably-legal

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    #23567016 - 08/22/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

well, he mentioned the fact of giving special ID's to Muslims. this is, effectively, as unconstitutional as deportation, but well, about the deportation, maybe my sources were misleading, so i'll consider that, but i'm sure he's, by now, had to take back what he's said on plenty of issues, regarding his considerations, including the ID's.


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koods said:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/5092060082001/polls-show-trump-only-slightly-ahead-of-clinton-in-texas/?#sp=show-clips

What a fucking loser. He could lose Texas. TEXAS!!!



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The article proves that pollsters are changing the poll numbers literally based on Party ID. They weigh democrat responses more heavily. Pathetic polling, pathetic people, pathetic candidate, pathetic supporters. The Hillary people couldn't be more pathetic.








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lol, care to post anything that has substance?

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    #23567123 - 08/22/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I like Trump's latest comments to blacks.  He is going off on how life sucks in the Democrat controlled inner cities and pretty much points out how they have been running the show and blacks have nothing to show for it.  Nice ploy.....and there are some blacks starting to bite.


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    #23567168 - 08/22/16 07:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

He's going to get the most black vote out of any republican in decades. Same goes with Hispanics. Koods' and cucks' fake polls don't bother me. Trumps gonna win in a landslide


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He's going to get the most black vote out of any republican in decades. Same goes with Hispanics. Koods' and cucks' fake polls don't bother me. Trumps gonna win in a landslide





The narrative is faily fake.  They are already starting the 'its all over, Clinton has 270 electoral votes' already, pretending that she has it locked up.  I hope hillary gets her ass reamed up and down on election day.

It's going to be fun watching the MSM meltdown when Trump takes the helm. And I can't even imagine what Dogshit Barry's response will be.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Webster10]
    #23567192 - 08/22/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

pardon my ignorance, but why is this important? the "black vote", i mean, how is it relevant in any way to anything in this discussion?

there are plenty of people, and have been already, that are black and support Trump.

i can respect that people will opt for the candidate that'll best support their needs, and wishes; but sorry to say, there is seemingly no reason for divisiveness past that; no one parties focus will "fix" everything for everyone, and no one parties stance is 100% what's best for the country.


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    #23567195 - 08/22/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Trump is going to have an aneurysm when he has to give his concession speech on live TV :Awemazing:


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    #23567199 - 08/22/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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pardon my ignorance, but why is this important? the "black vote", i mean, how is it relevant in any way to anything in this discussion?







You think blacks like Jose and 12 million relatives sucking up jobs in a tight labor market?


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23567216 - 08/22/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

he's just going to be incoherent and piss a bunch of people off, then he'll lump himself away over to his brain trust, and they'll help him sort out his next move, and he'll move, move to move, trying to keep his popularity up in office, which will distil in the brain trust, and then who knows what'll happen; i'm sure the neo-cons/libs will have a run for their money, but i also doubt that nationalism will truly take hold afterwards, there are too many people divided down the middle on this whole nationalism thing; so all in all, Trump's presidency might not be the worst thing for America. though it could swing into the complete other direction when Trump goes a' sword-wagging and pisses off someone, at some point -- but then again, as of right now, he seems to have the best intentions of working with, say, Russia; so this could also be a good thing...or it could be routed a complete other way, by Russia, who knows at this point. Trump might even pull out of the middle east entirely....

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pardon my ignorance, but why is this important? the "black vote", i mean, how is it relevant in any way to anything in this discussion?







You think blacks like Jose and 12 million relatives sucking up jobs in a tight labor market?



wtf are you talking about, again? Jose? who's Jose? where's Jose from? where does Jose's relevance come into play?


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23567223 - 08/22/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Trump is going to have an aneurysm when he has to give his concession speech on live TV :Awemazing:



He won't even do it. He's a terrible loser, which is surprising because he's so good at it


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    #23567231 - 08/22/16 08:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Also the news will have switched to the cannibal attacks on Hillary supporters by Buthrt trump zombies


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: koods]
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Trump is going to have an aneurysm when he has to give his concession speech on live TV :Awemazing:



He won't even do it. He's a terrible loser, which is surprising because he's so good at it




Yeah you're right. He's been making noises about skipping out of the debates FFS. If he'll skip out of the debates, he'll skip out of the concession speech.

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    #23567250 - 08/22/16 08:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If he can't "fix" the "fake" polls he may just drop out to protect his fragile ego from the humiliation of losing to a woman


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: koods]
    #23567259 - 08/22/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That's what I'm saying. The fact that he's losing to a woman is going to make it so much worse for him. I will be on schadenfreude overdrive when I read about his epic meltdown in the news.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: koods]
    #23567281 - 08/22/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Trump's strategy never really involved garnering the Latino vote but the GOP has been trying really really hard the last few cycles to snag them into their tent. It seemed like a perfect fit, but then trump had to piss on their parade. The Latino vote was the GOPs last chance to offset the dems huge demographic advantage. I'm sure the gop has been nagging Trump about this for a while


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Webster10]
    #23567307 - 08/22/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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He's going to get the most black vote out of any republican in decades. Same goes with Hispanics. Koods' and cucks' fake polls don't bother me. Trumps gonna win in a landslide




Dude, you might want to start getting used to the idea of Hillary becoming president. I have a bad feeling she's going to win even if the votes are in Trump's favor. It all seems to be leading to it right now. Corruption is what America's all about these days. Just hope that someone has the balls to take the bitch out if she starts driving the US into the ground even further. I don't want America to become like Europe or Canada. :uhoh:


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    #23567320 - 08/22/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

um, no. Hilary is literally going to do nothing different, and America will remain THE SAME as it is now.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23567329 - 08/22/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Trumps a total sell out.

I never thought this would happen, but it did. What the Fuck is going on here....

Pretty entertaining to see him flip-flop around.

Lets see how this pans out :popcorn:


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23567332 - 08/22/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
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um, no. Hilary is literally going to do nothing different, and America will remain THE SAME as it is now.




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    #23567354 - 08/22/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

well, i don't see how Hilary is going to make the US more like Canada or Europe. considering, if anything, she'll just make it more American; thanks for helping to illustrate my point.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23567361 - 08/22/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Trump was talking about deporting Muslims for being Muslim, and there were talks of special Muslim ID's. all such bullshit unconstitutional; and if Obama did it, i'd be against it too.





was that US citizens or immigrants? 'cuz you know, there's lots of muslims in the US
that arent citizens, but once more, you've not shown anything regarding
constitutionality of any of it


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
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well, i don't see how Hilary is going to make the US more like Canada or Europe. considering, if anything, she'll just make it more American; thanks for helping to illustrate my point.





so you're saying that hillary doesnt want to ban guns, that she wants to put more in
the hands of citizens... I mean that would be the result if she's elected just like
every time obama opened his mouth more people bought guns but hillary wants to ban
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    #23567375 - 08/22/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

you can't because his exact words are incoherent and he flip-flops on everything, making it a pain in the ass to really verifying anything he says with certainty. i know what he said at one point, and i remember it well, he said he was considering an ID for Muslims.

he was also considering deporting the illegals, in fact, that's alot of his platform...but i only question how the government is going to vet illegals from non-illegals to deport the illegals; how without infringing on the rights of the rest of the Mexican population, for example, or whomever else....a census won't do, if they aren't documented, what good is a census? people will have to be put under surveillance, and people will have to be rounded up, to accomplish any of this. even if certain documented persons are harboring illegals, how are you going to find out, without perpetrating on law-abiding immigrants?


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so you're saying that hillary doesnt want to ban guns, that she wants to put more in
the hands of citizens... I mean that would be the result if she's elected just like
every time obama opened his mouth more people bought guns but hillary wants to ban
them, not give more away




her stance on guns is news to me. frankly, i stopped caring about alot of this, awhile ago. if she goes full status quo but yet wants to revoke people's rights to own and bear arms, you can know that she's being manipulative when she continues military operations overseas. i don't think her abjuring the second amendment is going to lead to any real action, but if it does, the guns aren't going anywhere but to the military, and then again, probably, she will just make it harder to purchase a gun, not make it outright impossible to purchase one...a pitiful attempt at gun control that won't work, and it'll be easy to see, crime rates (and anomie) go up in response.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23567397 - 08/22/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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you can't because his exact words are incoherent and he flip-flops on everything, making it a pain in the ass to really verifying anything he says with certainty.





oh, so you're just parroting what other people have said or you're just making it
up like the typical liberal tends to do. not surprising, we see it all the time



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he was also considering deporting the illegals, in fact, that's alot of his platform




and do you have a problem with that? if you feel bad for the illegals, why not
invite them to canada, tell them all about your free health care, tell them how
your minimum wage is already much higher than in the US. I'm sure they'll love
canada's open border policy and lax enforcement of laws

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...but i only question how the government is going to vet illegals from non-illegals to deport the illegals; how without infringing on the rights of the rest of the Mexican population, for example, or whomever else....a census won't do, if they aren't documented, what good is a census? people will have to be put under surveillance, and people will have to be rounded up, to accomplish any of this. even if certain documented persons are harboring illegals, how are you going to find out, without perpetrating on law-abiding immigrants?




it's interesting how your racist mind works in that you believe all illegals are mexican



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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Prisoner#1]
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oh, so you're just parroting what other people have said or you're just making it
up like the typical liberal tends to do. not surprising, we see it all the time





no, it's just that i've been through this dog and pony show before, and i'm not going to keep doing it. especially since, like i said, it's hard to find reliable sources, and frankly, these news websites are shit, they are slow, and it's aggravating. plus, there are so many junk videos on Trump where he incoherently bumbles through questions, not giving any straight answers, so he can hedge any way he wants...and so can you. so i won't even bother.

he wants a wall. he wants to deport illegal immigrants. he wants to ban Muslims from entering the country. all things i've attested to. get over yourself. you're not showing anything.

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and do you have a problem with that? if you feel bad for the illegals, why not
invite them to canada, tell them all about your free health care, tell them how
your minimum wage is already much higher than in the US. I'm sure they'll love
canada's open border policy and lax enforcement of laws




no, i don't have a problem with that, what is your uppity ass problem? i said that "will it be possible to deport so many illegal Mexican aliens without infringing on the rights of documented Mexican immigrants? that's what i said. not the goddamn made up shit you think i said. you just pulled that straight out of your ass...do i have a problem with it, quick answer is, NO, i don't.

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it's interesting how your racist mind works in that you believe all illegals are mexican





what's interesting is that you think what is RACIAL is RACIST. you're just as bad as BLM.


and no, i am not talking about how "all illegals are Mexican", i never made that inference. i am talking about what Donald Trump said. he has undoubtedly focused on Mexican immigration, hence the wall, remember? that was his focus, and that's what i am addressing.


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he wants a wall. he wants to deport illegal immigrants. he wants to ban Muslims from entering the country. all things i've attested to. get over yourself. you're not showing anything.





ok, so what's the problem... other than your claims keep changing to align with the truth

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and no, i am not talking about how "all illegals are Mexican", i never made that inference. i am talking about what Donald Trump said. he has undoubtedly focused on Mexican immigration, hence the wall, remember? that was his focus, and that's what i am addressing.





didnt you also state he wanted to deport muslims. how many mexicans are muslims?


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    #23567448 - 08/22/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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He's going to get the most black vote out of any republican in decades. Same goes with Hispanics. Koods' and cucks' fake polls don't bother me. Trumps gonna win in a landslide




Dude, you might want to start getting used to the idea of Hillary becoming president. I have a bad feeling she's going to win even if the votes are in Trump's favor. It all seems to be leading to it right now. Corruption is what America's all about these days. Just hope that someone has the balls to take the bitch out if she starts driving the US into the ground even further. I don't want America to become like Europe or Canada. :uhoh:




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    #23567456 - 08/22/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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you can't because his exact words are incoherent and he flip-flops on everything, making it a pain in the ass to really verifying anything he says with certainty. i know what he said at one point, and i remember it well, he said he was considering an ID for Muslims.

he was also considering deporting the illegals, in fact, that's alot of his platform...but i only question how the government is going to vet illegals from non-illegals to deport the illegals; how without infringing on the rights of the rest of the Mexican population, for example, or whomever else....a census won't do, if they aren't documented, what good is a census? people will have to be put under surveillance, and people will have to be rounded up, to accomplish any of this. even if certain documented persons are harboring illegals, how are you going to find out, without perpetrating on law-abiding immigrants?




Nobody said they would have to be deported in two weeks, it's a long term stategy.

Many are in jail and prison, many are working illegally, we know where they live so it's really not that complicated.


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    #23567461 - 08/22/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i don't know, how many Mexicans are Muslims? i'm sure there is some.

how the fuck is Trump and his staffers, his brain trust, going to vet all that...ask for Grassroots support? lol, that'll go over well.

so tell me, in your own words, how? how can be vet the illegal to-be-deportees from the documented? the government isn't going to all of a sudden get super-powers just for this....

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ok, so what's the problem... other than your claims keep changing to align with the truth




already specified. but thanks for admitting that my claims are substantially aligning with the truth, that's after all, the point. why would i want to spread ignorance. i don't want to look at any candidate with rose-colored glasses.

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Nobody said they would have to be deported in two weeks, it's a long term strategy.

Many are in jail and prison, many are working illegally, we know where they live so it's really not that complicated.




you say it's not complicated. yes, you're right though about it being a long-term strategy. it'd be the only way...a long, arduous, drawn-out, bureaucratic process, that'll suck taxpayer money. YAY!


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thanks for admitting that my claims are substantially aligning with the truth, that's after all, the point.





now when trump's claims changed you called it flip flopping


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i am trying to ascertain the truth. Trump is trying to win votes in an election. it pays for him to hedge. not me.


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Deporting an illegal is cheaper than supporting them. Just wait until the EU and US can't borrow free money to support them any longer, nature will win at the end of the day.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: qman]
    #23567526 - 08/22/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I never understood how illegal immigrants get government support. I'd imagine a hospital would stabilize an immigrant using Medicare and that their children take up class seats, but other than that, what benefits might they receive?


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23567563 - 08/22/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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how does one borrow free money?




Issuing more and more debt without consequences is essentially borrowing for free, it's unrealistic to expect that to happen infinitely.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: qman]
    #23567603 - 08/22/16 10:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

well, it isn't borrowed so much as it is doled out. seems to happen on a wide scale pretty regularly, and nobody really cares where that free money is borrowed from or who's pockets it ends up in; and no one really seems to care, i mean, they get paid in free money all the time, so it's not like it makes a difference to them, as long as their taxes don't go up. even if their taxes go up, they still don't seem to mind when it's defence contractors, or business moguls making it go up. because it's free, why should anyone care, after, it's what everyone wants.

but not if you don't work for it. it's unrealistic to expect people to want to work for something that's free, but then again, it's also unrealistic to expect people to want to work at all, so that's why we have this lovely little system; no one complains though then it's this way.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: qman]
    #23567943 - 08/23/16 12:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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how does one borrow free money?




Issuing more and more debt without consequences is essentially borrowing for free, it's unrealistic to expect that to happen infinitely.




The Treasury is in charge of creating and destroying currency, and it does it's darndest to keep the dollar stable. When the us gov't runs a deficit, it usually borrows the difference by issuing bonds. But yes, the gov't must pay interest on these bonds and the payments are becoming increasingly burdensome.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Crumist]
    #23567949 - 08/23/16 12:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, but that burden will only create more jobs, so it's ok, we'll just need more man power. men, don't put your cocks away just yet...ladies...get over it, you're easy bake ovens. we need to pay of this debt...so spread 'em.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23568726 - 08/23/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Even so, the banks are creating debt faster than any orgyfest can solve.

A bank loans $100,000 that it actually has in its possession. But the interest rate is 5%. So the bank just created $5000 out of thin air, causing inflation. And this isnt including the derivatives, credit swaps, and all the other house of cards schemes the financial sector engages in.

We will never pay off the debt. Its virtually impossible to ever earn enough outpace the creation of debt within our current system.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23569299 - 08/23/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Even so, the banks are creating debt faster than any orgyfest can solve.

A bank loans $100,000 that it actually has in its possession. But the interest rate is 5%. So the bank just created $5000 out of thin air, causing inflation. And this isnt including the derivatives, credit swaps, and all the other house of cards schemes the financial sector engages in.

We will never pay off the debt. Its virtually impossible to ever earn enough outpace the creation of debt within our current system.



Money isnt being printed and added to the economy. Money isnt finite as long as wealth is being created. Im pretty sure interst doesnt cause inflation


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: qman] * 1
    #23569535 - 08/23/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Deporting an illegal is cheaper than supporting them. Just wait until the EU and US can't borrow free money to support them any longer, nature will win at the end of the day.




I'd be interested in getting back to this as our current tangent is giving me ECON nightmares.

Research on illegal immigrants is often contradictory and often performed by thinktanks only interested in manipulating and cherry-picking to support their own narrative. And, besides, the fact that they are "undocumented" can't make things easier.

An illegal immigrant without forged papers and a fake identity won't collect any SNAP, WIC, HEAP, Social security, and many others. Therefore they must work to eat and keep a roof. Those paid above board pay income tax, property tax, social security, and disability without ever being able to collect on SS or disability. Those working under the table get away from paying many taxes, but there is no escape from the sales tax and tax on money wiring back to their home nation to support them. The migrants Ive come across are here for work (taking our jobs!) which is one discussion, but the only people I know reviving significant government support are native born.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Crumist]
    #23569543 - 08/23/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Let's not forget that without undocumented labor, agriculture in the US would collapse.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23569551 - 08/23/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Money isnt being printed and added to the economy. Money isnt finite as long as wealth is being created. Im pretty sure interst doesnt cause inflation




i'm pretty sure any fiat currency is as finite as the interest is high.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23569593 - 08/23/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

what im saying is, they arent creating new money, they are just making you pay the more then they give you in the long run


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23569596 - 08/23/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

that's illogical. :spock: literally.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23569602 - 08/23/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

so, when I give someone fifty dollars and they have to pay me sixty, Im creating currency?


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    #23569628 - 08/23/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

no, when you create debt you're taking from a finite pool of money and increasing your pay-out of what you take versus what you put back, which is highly manipulative, but what isn't, amirite?

but the pool, however, is created out of thin air; with only the verbal backing of a sum few, and the backs of laborers, to hold up said air; call it gravity if you will.

and said fiat pool only contains so much money, right, until the pool gets an upgrade, and that air becomes more spacious, and thinner, and less heavy. it's not money that upgrades the pool, however...it's not money that's the air...it's just people, whom make up the market, and the  sum few whom let limits on the market so that the economy runs..."smoothly". people can make up as much money as they want, long as things run 'smoothly', you see.

this paradigm can be readily shifted from one point to the next, if it was only for those sum few whom MOVE THE MONEY, you see, because they hold the pool up with their...appreciation. their appreciation of that sweet sweet pool to dive in. all tied up in business, and doesn't really exist except within those businesses (including government), but still nevertheless, the company pool is really cool!


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Crumist]
    #23569645 - 08/23/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Deporting an illegal is cheaper than supporting them. Just wait until the EU and US can't borrow free money to support them any longer, nature will win at the end of the day.




I'd be interested in getting back to this as our current tangent is giving me ECON nightmares.

Research on illegal immigrants is often contradictory and often performed by thinktanks only interested in manipulating and cherry-picking to support their own narrative. And, besides, the fact that they are "undocumented" can't make things easier.

An illegal immigrant without forged papers and a fake identity won't collect any SNAP, WIC, HEAP, Social security, and many others. Therefore they must work to eat and keep a roof. Those paid above board pay income tax, property tax, social security, and disability without ever being able to collect on SS or disability. Those working under the table get away from paying many taxes, but there is no escape from the sales tax and tax on money wiring back to their home nation to support them. The migrants Ive come across are here for work (taking our jobs!) which is one discussion, but the only people I know reviving significant government support are native born.




http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers

"Illegal immigration cost US taxpayers about $113 billion per year at the federal, state, and local level."

The costs are much higher when we include lost jobs and lower wages for US citizens.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: qman]
    #23569648 - 08/23/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

those aren't costs. they are losses.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23569658 - 08/23/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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those aren't costs. they are losses.




For the US working class they are losses, for the US top .10% they are huge gains. 

You have to remember when a US citizen loses a job to an illegal, they now need governmental assistance to survive (food stamps, welfare, SSI, public housing, Medicaid,) those end up being COSTS to the US taxpayer!!


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: qman]
    #23569678 - 08/23/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

um, but those people don't necessary go on government assistance. some will find new jobs.

and of course, for the top percentile, it's gainful, why do you think they like "jobs" and shit...more welfare? more jobs, too.

but you already know this...yet you support it. well, i guess we all can't play by our own rules. sorry about that.

and yeah, the US taxpayer, it costs more to them to support this system...and it'll keep costing more. even if you get rid of the illegals, then the burden will simply shift to legals...they'll be the ones putting people out of their once dependable job, and putting them, perhaps, on gov. assistance. because the top percent love that. you love it, too. well, you sure damn well try to save what is already a broken system...but since i don't know if people can do better, i am not really blaming you, so don't get me wrong. i don't think you or anyone else is really doing anything more than what they were engendered to do.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23569689 - 08/23/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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um, but those people don't necessary go on government assistance. some will find new jobs.

and of course, for the top percentile, it's gainful, why do you think they like "jobs" and shit...more welfare? more jobs, too.

but you already know this...yet you support it. well, i guess we all can't play by our own rules. sorry about that.

and yeah, the US taxpayer, it costs more to them to support this system...and it'll keep costing more. even if you get rid of the illegals, then the burden will simply shift to legals...they'll be the ones putting people out of their once dependable job, and putting them, perhaps, on gov. assistance. because the top percent love that. you love it, too. well, you sure damn well try to save what is already a broken system...but since i don't know if people can do better, i am not really blaming you, so don't get me wrong. i don't think you or anyone else is really doing anything more than what they were engendered to do.




The unemployment rate for black and Hispanic young adults is not acceptable and that's because of illegal immigration, that needs to stop.

What's Obama done for them?  Made it worse.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: qman]
    #23569719 - 08/23/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

how? speeches? tell me.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23569762 - 08/23/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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how? speeches? tell me.




Shitty economic polices.

http://townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/2015/07/23/under-obama-blacks-are-worse-off--far-worse-n2028985


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: qman]
    #23569820 - 08/23/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

that doesn't explain anything. an article of someone complaining about the job market doesn't explain anything about policy. what policies, exactly; you should know. i'd like to know, exactly, what you're point at.

i saw something about a wage gap, a black/white wage gap?

i dunno....there are alot more white people, generally, to take care of, in respect to the Potus job, than black people...how can the job market reflect on Obama's economic policies, i want to know. i need not review the effects, i want to look at the disease, not the symptom.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: qman]
    #23570391 - 08/23/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers




Its pretty clear that FAIR has an agenda like every other think tank, and parts of the rest of the site read a bit like political shitposting on Facebook, oh and /pol/-esque pop-ups, but damn if that isn't the sexiest white paper ive seen on undocumented immigration. Some of the sources listed at the end seem a bit dubious, there are some BIG assumptions, and I wonder how solid their logic works out to be. Going to be busy reading and finding out. Thanks for the link.

After a bit of skimming, I wonder how an illegal immigrant household compares to a similarly educated native household? What would actually happen if you deported everyone who used more gov't services than they raised? Gault's Gulch or an apocalyptic wasteland?


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    #23571734 - 08/24/16 03:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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i am trying to ascertain the truth. Trump is trying to win votes in an election. it pays for him to hedge. not me.





someone trying to ascertain truth isnt going to tell a bunch of lies as if they were truths


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    #23571738 - 08/24/16 03:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

someone trying to ascertain the truth upholds when he has been found ignorant, and can admit to being as such. though where has it been found? can you show me?


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Let's not forget that without undocumented labor, agriculture in the US would collapse.





this sounds like the 'who would make our burritos' argument


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someone trying to ascertain the truth upholds when he has been found ignorant, and can admit to being as such. though where has it been found? can you show me?





further proof that you arent looking for truth but pushing your own falsehoods


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if you can show me what lies you talk of? where are these lies i've espoused? if you can't show these proposed lies of mine that you speak of, then where is my falsehood? that i am not nose-deep in figuring out the truth of something? what should that something be? don't make me have to ask again? what lies?


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if you can show me what lies you talk of? where are these lies i've espoused? if you can't show these proposed lies of mine that you speak of, then where is my falsehood? that i am not nose-deep in figuring out the truth of something? what should that something be? don't make me have to ask again? what lies?





just go back through and read your posts in this thread, since you arnt looking for
truth you will no doubt not find any, and you will deliberately look past your lies
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    #23571790 - 08/24/16 04:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i'd gladly go read my posts again; just point me the way, point me to where i've proceeded to misdirect and lie, you show me one post, and i'll go from there. i am not looking for truth? how can you know that? do you know what truth is? what's the truth what i am missing or misleading people about, tell me.


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i'd gladly go read my posts again; just point me the way, point me to where i've proceeded to misdirect and lie, you show me one post, and i'll go from there. i am not looking for truth? how can you know that? do you know what truth is? what's the truth what i am missing or misleading people about, tell me.





point you the way.... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ up there, all your posts above this one


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    #23571800 - 08/24/16 04:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

let's just think about this for a moment: if i am not even gonna look for my lies, isn't this kinda pointless? shouldn't you, i dunno, just POINT to something, and establish that it's a lie or misleading?


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Let's not forget that without undocumented labor, agriculture in the US would collapse.




im sure organizations would restructure thier business practices in one way or another to offset any extra costs associated with adhering to legal labor laws (due to not having illegals to employ for less)


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Let's not forget that without undocumented labor, agriculture in the US would collapse.




im sure organizations would restructure thier business practices in one way or another to offset any extra costs associated with adhering to legal labor laws (due to not having illegals to employ for less)



the labor pool for field work is insufficient without migrant immigrant labor. it never has been. currently more than 50% of farm labor is undocumented.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23572024 - 08/24/16 07:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
let's just think about this for a moment: if i am not even gonna look for my lies, isn't this kinda pointless? shouldn't you, i dunno, just POINT to something, and establish that it's a lie or misleading?





Stop being obtuse.  He has made it very clear that you have made tons of misleading falsehoods perpetuated by your bias, in many of your posts above.  You ask where, only in hopes he picks one particular line of your text and quotes it...so that you can further refute said quote with more misdirection.  He doesn't want to play your game of logical fallacies.  So he said, "read through all your posts more carefully ... All the ones above the last one".  And admits that you will likely not be able to see it. 

Stop with the game of repeatedly asking him to point you to a particular line of text.  It's annoying to read


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Masked]
    #23572039 - 08/24/16 07:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah specificity really grinds my gears when it comes to fact based discussions.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23572778 - 08/24/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

he thinks that when i say that Trump said something, that i must be misleading with falsehoods. Trump never said he wanted Muslims on any watch list...which amounts to the same unconstitutionality.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/667777348029292544
oh wait, he did.

and then again, when i made these posts, in CONVERSATION with Qman - you know, not one Pris or Masked were a part of, at all; i made this statement.

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akira_akuma said:
well, he mentioned the fact of giving special ID's to Muslims. this is, effectively, as unconstitutional as deportation, but well, about the deportation, maybe my sources were misleading, so i'll consider that, but i'm sure he's, by now, had to take back what he's said on plenty of issues, regarding his considerations, including the ID's.




maybe my sources were misleading.

so i basically told you people that i've fact checked and i admitted those sources might not be entirely accurate. :shrug: and then backed up my statements, from there on. Trump was indecisive in answering questions regarding his "unthinkable security measures" he'd (or we'd, in America) have to consider -- true -- he apparently didn't say outright that he approved of ID's for Muslims, he just didn't deny the possibility that that'd be the case, because his answer to the questions he was given were "“We’re going to have to — we’re going to have to look at a lot of things very closely. We’re going to have to look at the mosques. We’re going to have to look very, very carefully.”

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-muslims-id/

so where was my falsehoods again? please, will one of you harbingers tell me? where am i being obtuse? by backing up my statements and not just letting Pris control the discussion? gee. sorry.

i'll try and remember to check with Donald's press secretary before trying to ascertain wtf he means with his incoherent and ambiguous statements...and i'll remind people when they forget the contact Obama's, when they want to discuss his incoherent and ambiguous statements. you know, wouldn't want to discuss something without forgoing the press, and talking straight with the presidential elect. :rolleyes: gotta get the words straight from the lions mouth, right?

regardless. there's no winning this battle. i'm a "liar" and what not for no reason other than you want to call me one.

Donald Trump has more been averse to the current libel laws, then to the subject of unconstitutionally tracking Muslims.


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