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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23569762 - 08/23/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
how? speeches? tell me.




Shitty economic polices.

http://townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/2015/07/23/under-obama-blacks-are-worse-off--far-worse-n2028985


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: qman]
    #23569820 - 08/23/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

that doesn't explain anything. an article of someone complaining about the job market doesn't explain anything about policy. what policies, exactly; you should know. i'd like to know, exactly, what you're point at.

i saw something about a wage gap, a black/white wage gap?

i dunno....there are alot more white people, generally, to take care of, in respect to the Potus job, than black people...how can the job market reflect on Obama's economic policies, i want to know. i need not review the effects, i want to look at the disease, not the symptom.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: qman]
    #23570391 - 08/23/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers




Its pretty clear that FAIR has an agenda like every other think tank, and parts of the rest of the site read a bit like political shitposting on Facebook, oh and /pol/-esque pop-ups, but damn if that isn't the sexiest white paper ive seen on undocumented immigration. Some of the sources listed at the end seem a bit dubious, there are some BIG assumptions, and I wonder how solid their logic works out to be. Going to be busy reading and finding out. Thanks for the link.

After a bit of skimming, I wonder how an illegal immigrant household compares to a similarly educated native household? What would actually happen if you deported everyone who used more gov't services than they raised? Gault's Gulch or an apocalyptic wasteland?


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23571734 - 08/24/16 03:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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i am trying to ascertain the truth. Trump is trying to win votes in an election. it pays for him to hedge. not me.





someone trying to ascertain truth isnt going to tell a bunch of lies as if they were truths


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23571738 - 08/24/16 03:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

someone trying to ascertain the truth upholds when he has been found ignorant, and can admit to being as such. though where has it been found? can you show me?


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: koods]
    #23571745 - 08/24/16 03:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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koods said:
Let's not forget that without undocumented labor, agriculture in the US would collapse.





this sounds like the 'who would make our burritos' argument


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23571747 - 08/24/16 03:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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someone trying to ascertain the truth upholds when he has been found ignorant, and can admit to being as such. though where has it been found? can you show me?





further proof that you arent looking for truth but pushing your own falsehoods


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23571753 - 08/24/16 04:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

if you can show me what lies you talk of? where are these lies i've espoused? if you can't show these proposed lies of mine that you speak of, then where is my falsehood? that i am not nose-deep in figuring out the truth of something? what should that something be? don't make me have to ask again? what lies?


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23571770 - 08/24/16 04:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
if you can show me what lies you talk of? where are these lies i've espoused? if you can't show these proposed lies of mine that you speak of, then where is my falsehood? that i am not nose-deep in figuring out the truth of something? what should that something be? don't make me have to ask again? what lies?





just go back through and read your posts in this thread, since you arnt looking for
truth you will no doubt not find any, and you will deliberately look past your lies
and misdirection


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23571790 - 08/24/16 04:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i'd gladly go read my posts again; just point me the way, point me to where i've proceeded to misdirect and lie, you show me one post, and i'll go from there. i am not looking for truth? how can you know that? do you know what truth is? what's the truth what i am missing or misleading people about, tell me.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23571793 - 08/24/16 04:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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i'd gladly go read my posts again; just point me the way, point me to where i've proceeded to misdirect and lie, you show me one post, and i'll go from there. i am not looking for truth? how can you know that? do you know what truth is? what's the truth what i am missing or misleading people about, tell me.





point you the way.... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ up there, all your posts above this one


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23571800 - 08/24/16 04:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

let's just think about this for a moment: if i am not even gonna look for my lies, isn't this kinda pointless? shouldn't you, i dunno, just POINT to something, and establish that it's a lie or misleading?


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: koods]
    #23571825 - 08/24/16 04:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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koods said:
Let's not forget that without undocumented labor, agriculture in the US would collapse.




im sure organizations would restructure thier business practices in one way or another to offset any extra costs associated with adhering to legal labor laws (due to not having illegals to employ for less)


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: ManianFH]
    #23571937 - 08/24/16 06:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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mick said:
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koods said:
Let's not forget that without undocumented labor, agriculture in the US would collapse.




im sure organizations would restructure thier business practices in one way or another to offset any extra costs associated with adhering to legal labor laws (due to not having illegals to employ for less)



the labor pool for field work is insufficient without migrant immigrant labor. it never has been. currently more than 50% of farm labor is undocumented.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23572024 - 08/24/16 07:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
let's just think about this for a moment: if i am not even gonna look for my lies, isn't this kinda pointless? shouldn't you, i dunno, just POINT to something, and establish that it's a lie or misleading?





Stop being obtuse.  He has made it very clear that you have made tons of misleading falsehoods perpetuated by your bias, in many of your posts above.  You ask where, only in hopes he picks one particular line of your text and quotes it...so that you can further refute said quote with more misdirection.  He doesn't want to play your game of logical fallacies.  So he said, "read through all your posts more carefully ... All the ones above the last one".  And admits that you will likely not be able to see it. 

Stop with the game of repeatedly asking him to point you to a particular line of text.  It's annoying to read


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: Masked]
    #23572039 - 08/24/16 07:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah specificity really grinds my gears when it comes to fact based discussions.


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Re: Trump campaign signals possible shift on immigration stance [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23572778 - 08/24/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

he thinks that when i say that Trump said something, that i must be misleading with falsehoods. Trump never said he wanted Muslims on any watch list...which amounts to the same unconstitutionality.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/667777348029292544
oh wait, he did.

and then again, when i made these posts, in CONVERSATION with Qman - you know, not one Pris or Masked were a part of, at all; i made this statement.

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akira_akuma said:
well, he mentioned the fact of giving special ID's to Muslims. this is, effectively, as unconstitutional as deportation, but well, about the deportation, maybe my sources were misleading, so i'll consider that, but i'm sure he's, by now, had to take back what he's said on plenty of issues, regarding his considerations, including the ID's.




maybe my sources were misleading.

so i basically told you people that i've fact checked and i admitted those sources might not be entirely accurate. :shrug: and then backed up my statements, from there on. Trump was indecisive in answering questions regarding his "unthinkable security measures" he'd (or we'd, in America) have to consider -- true -- he apparently didn't say outright that he approved of ID's for Muslims, he just didn't deny the possibility that that'd be the case, because his answer to the questions he was given were "“We’re going to have to — we’re going to have to look at a lot of things very closely. We’re going to have to look at the mosques. We’re going to have to look very, very carefully.”

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-muslims-id/

so where was my falsehoods again? please, will one of you harbingers tell me? where am i being obtuse? by backing up my statements and not just letting Pris control the discussion? gee. sorry.

i'll try and remember to check with Donald's press secretary before trying to ascertain wtf he means with his incoherent and ambiguous statements...and i'll remind people when they forget the contact Obama's, when they want to discuss his incoherent and ambiguous statements. you know, wouldn't want to discuss something without forgoing the press, and talking straight with the presidential elect. :rolleyes: gotta get the words straight from the lions mouth, right?

regardless. there's no winning this battle. i'm a "liar" and what not for no reason other than you want to call me one.

Donald Trump has more been averse to the current libel laws, then to the subject of unconstitutionally tracking Muslims.


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