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Methylene Blue as a mushroom potentiator
    #23564812 - 08/22/16 01:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Greetings, fellow shroomers. For a while I have been whining around the forum about my natural tolerance to the magic (I can have a max lvl 2 trips from 6 g dried shrooms, while my peers have lvl 4 from 3-3,5 g of the same batch). My attempts to consume p. harmala seeds resulted in me being very sick even before I had an opportunity to consume shroom tea.

When I was looking for another MAOI source, I stumbled upon some information about Methylene Blue, which appears to be a strong reversible MAOI. Some research found interesting things about MB: its widely used in medicine for diagnostic procedures, local treatment of some minor infections and as an antidote. It is safe to consume and well tolerated in dozes below 2mg/kg, it has some nootropic properties and is currently evaluated for treatment of Alzheimers. There are some papers that MB can cause lethal serotonin toxicity if taken with SSRI.

BEFORE TAKING IT YOU SHOULD DO YOUR OWN CAREFUL RESEARCH. EXTREME CAUTION IS REQUIRED IF YOU ARE ON ANY KIND OF MEDICATION. YOU MUST BE CAREFUL WITH METHYLENE BLUE AS MUCH AS WITH ANY MAOI.

Considering everything above and the fact that in xUSSR (where I am from) MB can be easily purchased in drug stores (less than $1 for 20ml of 1% solution), I thought why the hell not?

For my experiment I got 1% MB solution in 60% ethanol. I took 5ml (very roughly ~50mg of MB, just over 0,5mg/kg with my weight being around 93kg). Its not a pleasant thing to drink (bitter), yet those who had p. harmala seeds will find MB much easier to consume. It is better to dissolve it in as smaller amount of water as possible and then just as you finish it, wash it down with a full glass of pure water. MB is a dye and can stain, so you don't want to splash it around. The blue teeth/mouth will pass in around 30 minutes, so you shouldn't worry about that. The white of your eye can become blueish and your urine will be blue/green the next day. It did not cause me any kind of gastrointestinal disturbance, not even a minor nausea.

I took a shroom tea made of 6g. The tea was consumed in an hour after MB. The onset started in just 10 minutes. The trip was very bright, vibrant and warm at first. I had lots of energy. The first part of it i just walked, giggled and enjoyed some prepared treats with my GF. The whole world around was shining and changing, the edges around the objects had something like rainbow or diffraction-like effects. I had never ever had experiences like this. Later the trip turned out to be some biggest mindfuck of my entire life, yet this is what I wanted and needed, but that's a whole new story.

Anyway. Those who have natural tolerance like me can look into Methylene Blue. If you don't have contraindications then it looks like an interesting alternative to p. harmala.


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Re: Methylene Blue as a mushroom potentiator [Re: Rhiozan]
    #23566009 - 08/22/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'd personally go with Moclobemide before Methylene Blue, but i prefer Rue. And you can get around Rue's nausea/vomiting/rough body load by taking it daily or every couple days or so for a week or two which will build up a reverse tolerance which makes all of the undesirable side-effects go away. Lemon EO helped block out the vomiting to help me get through the first week or so, and after that i stopped taking the Lemon EO and since Rue's reverse tolerance was built up, the nausea/vomiting was no longer there.

So Methylene Blue did work as an MAO-A inhibitor? You think you could try it out with some oral DMT to see if it'll activate it?


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Re: Methylene Blue as a mushroom potentiator [Re: Sabnock]
    #23568067 - 08/23/16 02:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I would personally go with Moclobemide or Selegiline too, but these are RX drugs and they are not so easy to come by.

Is it really worth it to do rue for several days in a row in order to build the tolerance? You will be taking MAOI and you will need to be careful in order to avoid extra tyramine during the whole time. Plus, you may not really feel it, but you will be blasting your system with who knows how many other alkaloids which could have unknown adverse effects. I guess extracting harmaline and harmine is an option, but it requires some time, efforts and rudimentary knowledge and equipment. It is also a fact that some 4 years ago Syrian Rue and B. Caapi were considered as much a drug as the plant material that contains DMT. This was ridiculous, but im sure there are parts of the world where Rue is considered a scheduled substance.

Isn't it just easier to take a cheap OTC drug, which had proven to be safe (if not beneficial)? I'm not saying that Rue is bad and MB is good, its just that MB could be an option worth trying.

Methylene blue definitely worked. The trip was way stronger, and my doze of 0,5 mg/kg did not even approach an effective dose of 1-2 mg/kg for strong MAOI effect.

I would definitely love to try DMT, but this is not something, that I can get my hands on in quite a while. Cheers!


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Re: Methylene Blue as a mushroom potentiator [Re: Rhiozan]
    #23568406 - 08/23/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

seems unnecesarly risky
Why not just take DMT ?


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Re: Methylene Blue as a mushroom potentiator [Re: Rhiozan]
    #23568795 - 08/23/16 10:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I would personally go with Moclobemide or Selegiline too, but these are RX drugs and they are not so easy to come by.

Is it really worth it to do rue for several days in a row in order to build the tolerance? You will be taking MAOI and you will need to be careful in order to avoid extra tyramine during the whole time. Plus, you may not really feel it, but you will be blasting your system with who knows how many other alkaloids which could have unknown adverse effects. I guess extracting harmaline and harmine is an option, but it requires some time, efforts and rudimentary knowledge and equipment. It is also a fact that some 4 years ago Syrian Rue and B. Caapi were considered as much a drug as the plant material that contains DMT. This was ridiculous, but im sure there are parts of the world where Rue is considered a scheduled substance.

Isn't it just easier to take a cheap OTC drug, which had proven to be safe (if not beneficial)? I'm not saying that Rue is bad and MB is good, its just that MB could be an option worth trying.

Methylene blue definitely worked. The trip was way stronger, and my doze of 0,5 mg/kg did not even approach an effective dose of 1-2 mg/kg for strong MAOI effect.

I would definitely love to try DMT, but this is not something, that I can get my hands on in quite a while. Cheers!




Actually i've been taking strong dosages of Rue daily for about 4 to 5 months now, haven't had an issue, in fact it feels much cleaner these days, no nausea/vomiting even for incredibly strong dosages, noticeable anti-depressant effect, and no need to avoid Tyramine as there's no Tyramine reaction with Harmalas. So yes, it's very worth it imo, to have a cleaner experience. I'd much rather use Harmalas over Moclobemide or some other RIMA/MAOI because the Harmalas do much more than just inhibit MAO-A. DMT with Moclobemide for example, while it can be interesting, it's just not the same as it is with the Harmalas, it's much better with the Harmalas ime/imo. The best part of the Harmala reverse tolerance is that you can tolerate stronger dosages much better, and can lower the amount of Harmalas you take for equal effects.

As for Moclobemide, i've been buying it online, i can send you the link if you want me to. As for Selegiline, it's an MAO-B inhibitor, and i don't think i have a use for that because it wouldn't activate DMT.

As for a cheap option, i think Rue would probably be cheaper than Methylene Blue, but i'm not sure, never bought Methylene Blue before, but Rue is incredibly cheap and potent.

Btw Acacia Confusa is pretty easy to come by these days, unless you live somewhere where customs might not possibly let it through. So if you wanna try DMT, try getting some Acacia. Mimosa Hostilis root is better, imo, but Acacia is good too no doubt, and Mimosa is harder to come by these days.


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Re: Methylene Blue as a mushroom potentiator [Re: Sabnock]
    #23568924 - 08/23/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Oh another option is buy or extract harmine/ harmaline from rue.

In its pure form it's easy to accurately  dose and without the plant matter/ dyes in rue the nausea can be non existent in the right dose.


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Re: Methylene Blue as a mushroom potentiator [Re: musiclover420]
    #23568970 - 08/23/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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musiclover420 said:
:whathesaid:

Oh another option is buy or extract harmine/ harmaline from rue.

In its pure form it's easy to accurately  dose and without the plant matter/ dyes in rue the nausea can be non existent in the right dose.




Agreed. Extracts are definitely better to dose than the seed, it's what i mostly use, but here lately i've gotten back to taking the ground Rue seed in capsules because it offers a more full spectrum medicine.


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Re: Methylene Blue as a mushroom potentiator [Re: Sabnock]
    #23569018 - 08/23/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

When I first started using rue all I had were seeds and I never had much if any negative effects even when combining them with things like LSA (HBWR).

But I like to recommend extracts to people who are either new and or inexperienced with rue or especially if they had nausea issues with it. I think the accurate dosing alone reduces the chances of having nausea a ton and separating the plant matter/ dyes in rue is a huge bonus. Plus you can get pure harmalas for like 10-20$ a gram which isn't bad. Cheaper if you make em.

I still have at least 2-3g of full spectrum rue extract (harmine/harmaline mix) and 1g of pure golden harmine I scored off ebay years ago :lol:


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Re: Methylene Blue as a mushroom potentiator [Re: musiclover420]
    #23574622 - 08/25/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you guys for all your input. Sabnock, I will definitely appreciate the link you've kindly offered. Even though Selegiline is irreversible MAOB inhibitor, I read here that people had quite intense shroom trips with selegiline.

Now, again, I would like to point out that I suggest that MB could potentially be an option for people living in countries where syrian rue seeds are not so common. Yeah, I can order them online and wait for a couple of weeks till they are shipped, or I could just go into a drug store and get Methylene Blue for a fraction of syrian rue price. Considering the high safety profile of MB, this is an interesting substance to try.

Actually, most likely in some time i will resume my attempts to try doing shrooms with syrian rue. But as of now the memories of being very sick with it are still very fresh. I took a relatively high dose of 4g of rue seeds last time. The high doze was to justify the attempted acidic extraction. Aside all other bad effects i had visuals: whenever i moved my eyeballs, the image in peripheral vision was shaking similar to degaussing a crt screen :laugh: Honestly, i dont think i wouldnt feel much worse if i took half that doze. You are guys perhaps right, and this thing should be taken daily with gradually increasing dosage.


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Re: Methylene Blue as a mushroom potentiator [Re: Rhiozan]
    #23575753 - 08/25/16 11:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The thing about rue seeds is the potency varies a ton. The 4g of seeds you ate could have had >1% alkaloids or up to 6%. The harmalas can cause nausea on their own if you overdo it but the dyes and plant matter in rue seeds can cause nausea too.

So you very possibly just overdosed the rue a bit :shrug:

Starting low and or using purified  harmalas should yelp if not eliminate  the nausea.


Not trying to pressure you, if MB seems like a good thing to experiment  with them go for it. But don't let the nausea scare you off rue. Alcohol is a decent comparison,  if you drink too much you will feel like shit but when you get it just right it can be great.


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