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dcthestar
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Jedi flip timing
#23563726 - 08/21/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Was going to possibly do a Jedi flip soon and for sure atleast doing a candy flip. Having never done a Jedi before I'm curious as to the timing of dose.
When I candy flip I do the L first and wait 2 hours to eat the M... So following that time span should I eat the fungus before the Molly or eat the Molly and fungus together?
Also does anyone have any experience with the combo and thoughts on dosage? I've got 4 medium strength WoW blotters (75-100ug), a little over .2 of Molly and around an 8th of shrooms.
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Edited by dcthestar (08/21/16 06:47 PM)
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Re: Jedi flip timing [Re: dcthestar]
#23563791 - 08/21/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd take the L and shrooms at the same time, wait about 30 minutes then the the molly. Just my preference though.
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GreenRabbit said: I'd take the L and shrooms at the same time, wait about 30 minutes then the the molly. Just my preference though.
Do you like coming up on all of them at the same time? Also do the peaks all overlap when doing it your way? Seems like you would catch some of the peaks but not the full amount for all of em.
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Re: Jedi flip timing [Re: dcthestar]
#23563828 - 08/21/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I hate these silly names for drug combinations, I really do, it's a pet peeve of mine....(and I rarely ever use the word "hate" )
....but to answer your question .
I too usually wait about 2 or 3 hours to take my MDMA after taking L.
If I were to throw some mushrooms into the mix, and given your doses of L are mild/average potency, I'd go about it something like this.
1 to 1 1/2 tabs of L
2 hours later I'd take the MDMA (it's against the rules for me to give dosage advice in regards to how much MDMA)
Then once the MDMA gets rolling, probably about an hour or so, I'd consume 2g or 3g of mushrooms.
I know I've had these three in my system simultaneously on a few occasions, but it was never really planned and I don't recall the actual timing/dosage I took of each....When combining things I don't like to take two drugs together at the same exact time, I like to let them do their thing and come up on each of them for a moment before consuming another.....For some reason I feel that taking either or all of those around the same time, or too close to one another, would make me kinda nauseated (and none of those ever make me nauseated by themselves)...not to mention a very intense come up .
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Re: Jedi flip timing [Re: openmind]
#23563857 - 08/21/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks man for giving your opinion on the matter. I agree on the names of the combos but figured it would make for the shortest title.
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Re: Jedi flip timing [Re: dcthestar]
#23563979 - 08/21/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I got a trip report on that combo in my sig. I would do l first then about 1 hour shrooms then maybe 15 to 30 minutes eat the mdma. I like this combo best with dmt instead of mdma
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Re: Jedi flip timing [Re: Mike4aco]
#23564347 - 08/21/16 09:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Damn Mike crazy report lol... Went to court?
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Re: Jedi flip timing [Re: dcthestar]
#23564388 - 08/21/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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When I did it I took everything at once and had an awesome time. I still might wait to take the shrooms next time. I wouldn't wait to take the M because I think it smooths out the L comeup, but I would redose the M later in.
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I dunno its been a while for me but its genrally down by taking the L then about an hour later adding the m. The mush i dunno maybe 30mins after the m.
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Re: Jedi flip timing [Re: LuckeyMA]
#23566524 - 08/22/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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LuckeyMA said: I dunno its been a while for me but its genrally down by taking the L then about an hour later adding the m. The mush i dunno maybe 30mins after the m.
Think I will be doing something like this time frame. I mix the Molly with juice and it kicks in in like 30 minutes so would be good to eat the shrooms on the Molly come up. Won't eat much food so shrooms should kick in 45 minutes later which would put everything on course to peak simultaneously... Probably boost the Molly after 2-3 hours
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Re: Jedi flip timing [Re: dcthestar]
#23569590 - 08/23/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd take around 2 grams of mushrooms then 2 hours later 100mics of LSD. Then molly an hour after that.
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2g mushrooms 2 Tabs LSD .2g MDMA 5HTP Orange Juice Water Friends Music *Xanax (optional)
Timing: Start ingesting the 2 g of mushrooms with lots of orange juice Take 2 5HTP capsules (makes for a no crash,comfortable comedown) 30 Min later take 1 tab of acid 1.5 hours in take a .1 of MDMA 2-2.5 hours in take the other tab Post peak take the other .1 of MDMA On the comedown take a Xanax to help you get to sleep and relax * (optional)
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JesusDaMartian said: Timing: Start ingesting the 2 g of mushrooms with lots of orange juice Take 2 5HTP capsules (makes for a no crash,comfortable comedown) 30 Min later take 1 tab of acid 1.5 hours in take a .1 of MDMA 2-2.5 hours in take the other tab Post peak take the other .1 of MDMA On the comedown take a Xanax to help you get to sleep and relax * (optional)
Notes: Use music to enhance mood, and drink water constantly to stay hydrated
Why lots of orange juice?...the whole thing about orange juice being some magical potentiator is a myth. I hear about people saying to "drink OJ" in regards to so many different drugs, usually mushrooms or mdma though. It's acidic so it might help the absorption of the goods, but any difference would be quite subtle.
Taking 5-HTP in such a manner doesn't really do a whole lot of anything, such a minuscule amount of serotonin would be metabolized from 2 capsules of 5-htp.....I suppose it doesn't hurt , but it's not going to make much of a difference.
And re-dosing on the L 2 to 2.5 hours after the first tab was taken won't really do anything to potentiate the experience, I'd go as far as saying eating that 2nd tab that long after the first is a waste....IME with re-dosing on L, and many others around here have mentioned the same, if I take more L a few hours after my initial dose it doesn't really do a whole lot...even the times I've taken double or more than the initial dose, I rarely feel much at all when taking more L hours later.
And the same goes for mdma...trying to dose up on the mdma with another point after the peak has already past doesn't do a whole lot of anything, and it isn't a good idea from a health/safety stand point , and re-dosing like that will make the comedown or day after potentially rougher for some people. (and dosage advice in regards to mdma is technically "against the rules" in this forum)
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Re: Jedi flip timing [Re: openmind]
#23574550 - 08/24/16 11:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am fairly certian you DO NOT want to take 5htp while using drugs such as mdma, lsd, or shrooms as it can cause seratonin syndrome. The 5htp would be for the day after a roll or trip to replenish seratonin.
Someone correct me if i am wrong but isnt this seriously dangerious.
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Re: Jedi flip timing [Re: openmind]
#23575114 - 08/25/16 06:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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openmind said:
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JesusDaMartian said: Timing: Start ingesting the 2 g of mushrooms with lots of orange juice Take 2 5HTP capsules (makes for a no crash,comfortable comedown) 30 Min later take 1 tab of acid 1.5 hours in take a .1 of MDMA 2-2.5 hours in take the other tab Post peak take the other .1 of MDMA On the comedown take a Xanax to help you get to sleep and relax * (optional)
Notes: Use music to enhance mood, and drink water constantly to stay hydrated
Why lots of orange juice?...the whole thing about orange juice being some magical potentiator is a myth. I hear about people saying to "drink OJ" in regards to so many different drugs, usually mushrooms or mdma though. It's acidic so it might help the absorption of the goods, but any difference would be quite subtle.
Taking 5-HTP in such a manner doesn't really do a whole lot of anything, such a minuscule amount of serotonin would be metabolized from 2 capsules of 5-htp.....I suppose it doesn't hurt , but it's not going to make much of a difference.
And re-dosing on the L 2 to 2.5 hours after the first tab was taken won't really do anything to potentiate the experience, I'd go as far as saying eating that 2nd tab that long after the first is a waste....IME with re-dosing on L, and many others around here have mentioned the same, if I take more L a few hours after my initial dose it doesn't really do a whole lot...even the times I've taken double or more than the initial dose, I rarely feel much at all when taking more L hours later.
And the same goes for mdma...trying to dose up on the mdma with another point after the peak has already past doesn't do a whole lot of anything, and it isn't a good idea from a health/safety stand point , and re-dosing like that will make the comedown or day after potentially rougher for some people. (and dosage advice in regards to mdma is technically "against the rules" in this forum)
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Orange Juice is delicious, redosing will extend the trip and 5htp has worked to prevent seritonin syndrome
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Re: Jedi flip timing [Re: openmind]
#23575394 - 08/25/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree with OpenMind you said everything I was going to say without saying it...LOL
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I have heard not to take 5htp before mdma because it can cause serotonin syndrome or significantly reduce the roll.
Also why would I eat the mushrooms first if I wanted to peak on all 3 at the same time? LSD lasts so much longer so wouldn't it make sense for that to be my beginning point?
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Edited by dcthestar (08/25/16 10:09 AM)
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Re: Jedi flip timing [Re: dcthestar]
#23576210 - 08/25/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've heard to take tums a half hour before you take MDMA to lengthen the roll. Not sure how true it is. Read it on some "take MDMA safely" type website. They also suggested to take 5HTP the night AFTER a roll to help with insomnia. Again just what I read on some site. I do know 5HTP and similar compounds(melatonin) when taken together without psychedelics have caused serotonin syndrome(although rare).
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LuckeyMA said: I am fairly certian you DO NOT want to take 5htp while using drugs such as mdma, lsd, or shrooms as it can cause seratonin syndrome. The 5htp would be for the day after a roll or trip to replenish seratonin.
Someone correct me if i am wrong but isnt this seriously dangerious.
Psychedelics such as LSD & mushrooms can not cause serotonin toxicity (syndrome), these psychedelics do not cause a massive release/dump of serotonin like mdma does...they simply have affinity for some serotonin receptors, and don't dump a bunch of serotonin into the synapse.
Classic psychedelics don't work in the same way that mdma does, there's no loss/dump of serotonin and no need to replenish serotonin after a trip.
And with that said....no, from what I understand I don't think taking 5-htp with mdma presents much of a risk for serotonin toxicity.
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dcthestar said: I have heard not to take 5htp before mdma because it can cause serotonin syndrome or significantly reduce the roll.
Also why would I eat the mushrooms first if I wanted to peak on all 3 at the same time? LSD lasts so much longer so wouldn't it make sense for that to be my beginning point?
Back in the day there was one time that I took 5-htp about an hour before taking mdma then once again in the middle of the roll...and it was by far the most dull/mild "roll" that I've ever had and I figured it was due to the 5-htp, I then heard similar things from folks that claimed taking 5-htp right before dosing on mdma diminished the intensity.
From understanding the very basics of the pharmacology of this drug, I don't quite see how this is possible but I've heard a handful of anecdotal reports about this....in my case, it could have very well just been from the mdma being cut, and I took a lower dose then I suspected.
And again...from the basics of what I understand, I don't think taking 5-htp before taking mdma presents much of a risk for serotonin toxicity.
And I hear ya on the timing of the dosage...I always take the longer lasting psychedelic/drug first, and have that as my "base" drug. Makes much more sense to me to take the LSD first.
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ShadeOfDeepPurple said: I've heard to take tums a half hour before you take MDMA to lengthen the roll. Not sure how true it is. Read it on some "take MDMA safely" type website. They also suggested to take 5HTP the night AFTER a roll to help with insomnia. Again just what I read on some site. I do know 5HTP and similar compounds(melatonin) when taken together without psychedelics have caused serotonin syndrome(although rare).
I've heard the same about tums & mdma as well...I think it has to do with raising the pH of the stomach, and increases the bio-availability of the drug (a bit more of the drug is absorbed within a shorter amount of time)....I doubt it would cause a drastic or even noticeable increase in the duration of the drugs effect, though it might make it come on just a bit quicker and/or make the peak hit a little harder, even then I doubt it'd make much of a difference.
I have never heard about a case of serotonin toxicity coming about from taking 5-htp and melatonin together....5-htp metabolizes into serotonin, and serotonin eventually gets metabolized into melatonin . Taking huge massive doses of 5-htp by itself might do so, but taking typical dosages of both 5-htp and melatonin together just doesn't seem dangerous to me at all and I don't see how serotonin toxicity could come about from the combination of the two.
Kinda going off on a tangent...but I don't think that merely taking 5-htp even makes that much of a difference in restoring serotonin levels after a night of rolling. Sure it doesn't hurt, and it may very well help with sleep that next night, but I feel that eating a diet/foods rich in tryptophan and highly nutritious food in general is FAR FAR better at doing so then some capsules of 5-htp....Back in the day there was a handful of times that I took 5-htp after a night of rolling, I was just doing so because I heard about it and in theory it should work....a decade later, I just eat a nutritious diet as my source of neurotransmitter pre-cursors .
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Inadvertently Jedi Flipped at a camping music festival in CA about a year and a half ago. Have tripped and rolled in separate instances since then but the combo trip was ridiculous. Took a strong tab and a .5-.75g rock of molly (uncapped) 1-2 hours in. An hour into the combo, heavy lsd visuals were very distinctly altered by the molly. Munched some mushies shortly after as well (not too strong though) and smoked weed around this time. Regular smoker. Side note: had done cocaine most of the day leading up to this. Pretty sure another tab was also consumed. Side note 2: first lsd trip was 2 months prior, 4 large drops directly ingested from a vial...however 5 yr veteran of mushrooms. Back on topic, all in all, most intense visual/mental trip ever. The molly/lsd combo is an amplified version of the visuals of lsd by itself producing an almost 3D projection feel. Adding the mushies contributes a funny also highly visual trip that is quite entertaining. Mushrooms are quite giggly for SWIM. Very comfortable on psychedelics and can say this trip is not for the faint of heart. Also SWIM took them with relative strangers who were quite impressed with the level of comfortability while under the influence. Good vibes are KEY
PS idk if SWIM is still a thing...
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Re: Jedi flip timing [Re: dyldraper] 2
#23988768 - 01/07/17 08:27 AM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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i was thinking of doing a darth maul hippie combo chinese butthole flip
im sick of these names..jedi flip..hippie flip...damn
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I have no experience with this combo but personally I think id drop the L, then 2-3 hrs in drop the shrooms, then drop the molly at the 5-6 hr mark. That way, you've hopefully peaked by the time the shrooms hit, and the molly hits at the plateau of L+shrooms together. L has the tendency to drag the fuck on, and personally I don't want to be still be tripping nuts at the end of a roll. That screams of a bad time.
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Re: Jedi flip timing [Re: GRAVE]
#24003037 - 01/12/17 02:38 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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IMO if your going to Jedi flip you might as well just use mescaline instead of MDMA.
Natures MDMA plus a little kick in the nuts.
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Bill_Oreilly said: i was thinking of doing a darth maul hippie combo chinese butthole flip
im sick of these names..jedi flip..hippie flip...damn
In my circle of friends we have a ghostflip which is where you do everything all at once. EVERYTHING
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