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ID request - SE NSW blue tops
    #23562356 - 08/21/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I used to get subs 15+ years ago in this area but have been away. It was usually late Autumn in south east NSW up pretty high, and they were always the same tip of small, robust, blueing at the stems with small strong done or flattened out.

Went back early June this year and the old spot was frosted over, but I found these in lower ground nearby, at the botton point of two hills with spring water. I found these:



They were different to what I'm used to, with heavy blueing on the cap but not much on the stem, here they are back home after a few hours:







A seasoned shrooming mate with his own fields in a different area, said they were not active and be careful. He's being responsible, as they look a lot different to his. But I always thought if shrooms in this environment were blue, they were good.

I didn't eat them and feed them to the worms instead, but it's worth asking the forum. I can probably find more even this late in the season.

I also want to ask about frost. My old picking spot was frosted over and only some feable signs of fungus in general, but it was richer in different areas. So what affect does frost / snow have on shrooms and how far into the winter can you go?

His a pic I found of what I'm pretty sure is an active, though old and withered and standing alone, the only one I found:





And for your viewing pleasure, some of the non-actives that flourish in the area:













I got more pics of other non-actives in the area. There were always those red ones with big wide dots, in a pine area nearby that would get real big (amanta muscara??) but didn't see any this time, they usually pop up earlier in the year, and I never knew they were active until google told me not long ago. Grandma used to always say they were toadstools and poisonous and was not supposed to touch them. So maybe continue this in a discussion area if people are interested. Cheers.

P.S. I'd like to know what these funky huge purple coloured ones are:



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Re: ID request - SE NSW blue tops [Re: 9999]
    #23562844 - 08/21/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think they might be stropharia aeruginosa.


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Re: ID request - SE NSW blue tops [Re: jakefake]
    #23562991 - 08/21/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Your non active cluster your holding looks like Hypholoma. The big purple one is probably some sort of Cortinarius. I think you have two types of Cortinarius in that pic.
stropharia aeruginosa looks like a good fit for the "blue tops".


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Re: ID request - SE NSW blue tops [Re: Saunterer]
    #23563833 - 08/21/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'd say the "blue tops" are actually stropharia caerulea, not aeruginosa based on the fact that the gill edges appear to be turning fairly brown (which is rare in s. aeruginosa, whose gill edges stay white even as the gill faces turn brown) and that there is a large notch between the gills and the stem (as opposed to the very small notch usually observed in s. aeruginosa). were they found in grass? If so I'd also consider stropharia pseudocyanea.


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Re: ID request - SE NSW blue tops [Re: pyrolight]
    #23563935 - 08/21/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, they were found in wooded grass. So I take it these other species are not active? Makes it tough, when you find blue bruising on non active shrooms.

So what about frost? And could I still find actives this late in the season? Cheers.


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Re: ID request - SE NSW blue tops [Re: 9999]
    #23564003 - 08/21/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This species (whichever of these closely related strophariae it might be) are not active- the blue color is actually just a pigment, not a reaction to damage (which is why you didn't see any of the typical blue coloration in the stem base). Assessing whether or not a blue color is a reaction to damage is a good way to separate the bruising actives from naturally blue mushrooms (though as you probably know there are mushrooms such as some boletes that do bruise blue but are inactive) As for your other questions, I unfortunately cannot help as I'm from north america and don't know too much about hunting for actives in your area. Good luck on your hunting- i hope someone more knowledgeable about hunting in NSW will be able to be of more help to you. have a good day.


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Re: ID request - SE NSW blue tops [Re: pyrolight]
    #23564036 - 08/21/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Wait for a TI, but these look very much like:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortinarius_rotundisporus


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Re: ID request - SE NSW blue tops [Re: PsiloCybernetic]
    #23564305 - 08/21/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You're completely right- it's being a cortinarius didn't even cross my mind. I apologize for the confusion.


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Re: ID request - SE NSW blue tops [Re: pyrolight] * 1
    #23564400 - 08/21/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for all the replies. They indeed do look like Cortinarius Rotundisporus. I'll be doing some more hunting next week but not counting on finding actives this late and in a frosty / cold area. It's still fun finding different types of shrooms though.


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Re: ID request - SE NSW blue tops [Re: pyrolight]
    #23564783 - 08/22/16 12:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

pyrolight said:
I'd say the "blue tops" are actually stropharia caerulea, not aeruginosa based on the fact that the gill edges appear to be turning fairly brown (which is rare in s. aeruginosa, whose gill edges stay white even as the gill faces turn brown) and that there is a large notch between the gills and the stem (as opposed to the very small notch usually observed in s. aeruginosa). were they found in grass? If so I'd also consider stropharia pseudocyanea.




We get stropharia pseudocyanea in WA. Hoping to get these specimens sequenced this year. Or an undescribed species, I want to see earlier and younger fruits. They felt weird in the heaviness of the cap.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=3&Number=22977368


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