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Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more
    #23561619 - 08/20/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I can totally forgive her for this belief. You spend literally every waking hour thinking about your own captivity, you start to keep track of your rapes. You're obviously going to notice a correlation between porn and rapes because that sick fuck probably used porn to get himself amped up enough to rape her and rape her but good.

Its sad and sick to me that the media would actually repeat this like its a logical opinion from someone with experience.

Just like when someone who's kid was just killed because he was a fucking gangbanger, and suddenly gun violence is equal to world hunger. That person is literally the last person in the world who has a fair opinion.

If a child choked to death on a grape that mom would want the US govt to distribute a public address about the dangers of feeding grapes to your children.

Just another reason you shouldn't believe a fucking word you hear from mainstream news. Its not that its all lies, its just all so twisted you could never find the whole bald-faced truth (if such a thing even exists in the human condition)


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: bloodsheen] * 1
    #23561648 - 08/20/16 10:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

None of these news stations actually say that pornography is bad. They simply quote what Elizabeth Smart said, and then use the pornography sentence as a caption in the title so it causes more people to click the link. News is about popularity and ratings.

If you pay attention very closely to what the news articles are articulating, none of them actually form a conclusion based on stories they write. People always come to the conclusion on their own.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: bloodsheen]
    #23561719 - 08/20/16 11:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Im unsure if you posted because of the BS MSM or the suffering of this women, but clearly she has a right to state her opinion, and its just that "AN OPINION" but an opinion repeated over and over w/o facts becomes fact in the mind of the viewer! the MSM allowing it like scientific fact only adds to there BS. They fill there script with 80% celebrity BS from the Kardashians to the justin beibers to reality tv people to get viewers, then 10% fluff (cooking/sports weather)then 10% is on issues that are actually important to society, and unfortunately they (MSM) never fact search or investigate a story, they have opinionated insiders with an agenda giving them details as if it factual and proven, without even the 1st glance into other possibilities or motives, spewing it over and over makes veiwers see it as fact!... It has become the National Enquirer or STAR entertainment on steroids produced on MS channels but directing the people to think a certain way to push an agenda like WAR ON TERROR,DRUGS or whatever fits the need. I only wish the average working class American had the time to actually check alternative media sources or travel out of the country and look back at it! It is horrific when you leave the work/family/survive cycle and look at the real news and world views of US Gov/MSM. Sadly the rest of the developed world gets the news through US media, CNN forwards to BBC and so on so they(citizens) have to search alternative media on there own, and unlike the US they find the time to do so and see this mess for what it is, brainwashing propaganda. When you see tv media cut a person off for saying something negative towards your intended directive, cut to commercial, shutting that person down, its a clear sign of fake news/propaganda, I never see that on alternative news, even RT lets the panel bash russia/Putin they don't cut them off, they will let them speak then give there side which usually disproves the bashing, but YOU GET TO HEAR BOTH SIDES REGARDLESS OF OPINION/DIRECTIVES actually what news is supposed to do....
You read the info on DNC emails to screw Sanders in the primaries, this is criminal activities, yet MSM doesn't talk about the crime, they keep referring to the hacker as the criminal and finger pointing at Russia to brain wash the people to hate Russia and hate hackers, what about the crime they uncovered and who is responsible? If NSA hacks you and finds criminal activity, do you think the MSM will talk about the criminal hack or your activities?


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: perikleous] * 1
    #23561766 - 08/20/16 11:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Oh I was absolutely talking about the MSM.

I saw a quote by Carl Jung "Thinking is difficult so most people judge."

I'm quite open about the subject of pornography. There are horrendous pitfalls but theres equal evidence that it might have benefits as well.

You know who the person to ask about porn is? A PhD who majored in both psychiatry and the social sciences, and who has 5+ years in sexually deviant behavior. But that dude's opinion is dorky and boring! A woman who was held in captivity and experienced horrors 99.9% of people can't even really imagine, thats a fucking hook. Who wouldn't tune in to see what she has to say, right?


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: bloodsheen] * 1
    #23561775 - 08/20/16 11:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If you are going to comment on something you've read, could you please provide some links. I have no idea what you're talking about.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: koods]
    #23561779 - 08/20/16 11:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If you are going to comment on something you've read, could you please provide some links. I have no idea what you're talking about.



Yup, sorry, this community is so aware of the news I always assume everyone knows what I'm talking about


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/elizabeth-smart-her-captivity-pornography-made-my-living-hell-worse-n635066?cid=sm_fb


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: bloodsheen]
    #23561928 - 08/21/16 01:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Is she a Mormon? Porn is the new Mormon boogeyman now it's not really socially acceptable to demonize the gays.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: koods]
    #23561930 - 08/21/16 01:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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She has said her strong Mormon faith, plus returning to the activities that brought her joy before her kidnapping, such as playing the harp, have helped her process her trauma.




Nailed it :smug:


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: bloodsheen]
    #23561933 - 08/21/16 01:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

He was sick enough to hold her captive/rape daily, so his pension for porn was not the issue. We all have perverted thoughts that usually go against society especially sexual thoughts that are not about simply kissing and making love to your girlfriend/wife, the most common porn views are not PC they involve everything from incest to foot fetish and im not going near the gay/lesbian/bi or group things so what a person fantasizes about or thinks about during his/her self pleasure time has nothing to do with his morals/values and how they behave in society, how you are brought up and your sanity seperate the thoughts and fantasies from criminal dispicable acts against family/minors/animals or againt a persons will. Two consenting adults (or more) can choose to act out any/all fantasies so long as there are no victims. We have our imagination for a reason, its just that, acting on it in a criminal way is narsacistic behavior and bordering on insanity, your wants coming before your fellow man/woman, your rights to there body over there right to say NO.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: bloodsheen] * 2
    #23561955 - 08/21/16 01:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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koods said:
If you are going to comment on something you've read, could you please provide some links. I have no idea what you're talking about.



Yup, sorry, this community is so aware of the news I always assume everyone knows what I'm talking about


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/elizabeth-smart-her-captivity-pornography-made-my-living-hell-worse-n635066?cid=sm_fb




Article does not make it seem like pornography is evil or anything,
but the specific quote used in the title:
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Elizabeth Smart on Her Captivity: 'Pornography Made My Living Hell Worse'



seems pretty accurate when read in context in the story itself:
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"My captor was really excited and really kind of amped up about something, and he said, 'Oh, you know, I have something and I'm going to show it to you, and you have to look at it,'" Smart said.

Mitchell then pulled out a "magazine full of hard-core pornography," she said.

"It just led to him raping me more, more than he already did — which was a lot," she said.

"I can't say that he would not have gone out and kidnapped me had he not looked at pornography. All I know is that pornography made my living hell worse."

Smart was rescued in March of 2003. She has said her strong Mormon faith, plus returning to the activities that brought her joy before her kidnapping, such as playing the harp, have helped her process her trauma.




She did also state that she can't say pornography is responsible for what happened to her.
Sure, her "strong Mormon faith" could colour an overall opinion of pornography, but that it was used as a tool in her experience would have indeed made her experience worse than it was.

Similarly, she could speak out against alcohol on the basis of:
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She said every time she thought she had "hit rock bottom, my captor would find something new to make it worse."
One time, she said, Mitchell forced her to drink so much alcohol, she passed out. She woke up face-down on the ground, vomit crusted in her hair.

"And I remember waking up that moment and thinking, how can it get any lower than this?"
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Alcohol made her living hell worse too.  The video is made by an anti-porn organization rather than an anti-alcohol organization though, so they skip past that rather than focus in on it.  Not surprising.

But the news story seems to be more about the video she made, rather than the overall occurrence itself -- in that regard, news outlets running with the porn narrative makes sense, because that is what the anti-porn organization she apparently made the video for decided to focus on.
Hell, the news story actually specifically leaves out quoting the line in the video where she essentially said that pornography lead to him kidnapping her.

The article simply has:
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"Looking at pornography wasn't enough for him. Having sex with his wife after looking at pornography wasn't enough for him," she said, simply referring to Mitchell as her "captor" during the 5-minute, 15 -second video, and never mentioning him by name. "He just always wanted more."



Which actually quotes every line of that section of the video, except the line where she says "...and then it lead him to finally going out and kidnapping me..."

Not saying that mainstream media isn't trash, but it seems that, at least in the article you posted, they are attempting to get clicks by talking about the video being published, but they aren't the ones making it seem like pornography was responsible for what happened -- the anti-porn organization she made the video for is.
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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: Tantrika]
    #23561962 - 08/21/16 01:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Frankly I don't know why this is even a story. This happened years ago. It's sad when a victim is so obsessive about their own victimhood.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: koods]
    #23561973 - 08/21/16 01:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Because shes a poster child for the mormons. Shes the story you use to scare the public about anything taboo. It has nothing to do with the fact that her abductors were bat-shit crazy. It all about her abductor's lifestyle and how it caused them to do these things so now we need to ban everything.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: koods]
    #23562009 - 08/21/16 02:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Frankly I don't know why this is even a story. This happened years ago. It's sad when a victim is so obsessive about their own victimhood.




In all fairness she did spend most of her life trapped in victimhood, so she will probably spend another few years wallowing in it before finally gathering inner strength to move on.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: Crystal G]
    #23562046 - 08/21/16 02:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Frankly I don't know why this is even a story. This happened years ago. It's sad when a victim is so obsessive about their own victimhood.




In all fairness she did spend most of her life trapped in victimhood, so she will probably spend another few years wallowing in it before finally gathering inner strength to move on.



Huh? I thought she was missing for a few months


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: koods]
    #23562267 - 08/21/16 07:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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koods said:
Frankly I don't know why this is even a story. This happened years ago. It's sad when a victim is so obsessive about their own victimhood.




In all fairness she did spend most of her life trapped in victimhood, so she will probably spend another few years wallowing in it before finally gathering inner strength to move on.



Huh? I thought she was missing for a few months




The trauma will be there for her entire life. Real traumatic events have a way of staying with you and popping up randomly. She will never have a normal life. To act like a few years being away from that situation and everything should be honky doory is just asinine.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: koods]
    #23562300 - 08/21/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Frankly I don't know why this is even a story. This happened years ago. It's sad when a victim is so obsessive about their own victimhood.





yeah, but she actually was victimized and it was a horrifically traumatic
experience, could you imagine being abducted and raped on a daily basis
for 8 years. this isnt like the feminists who suffer from PTSD because the
internet said they were fat and ugly or seeing donald trump's name written
in chalk on the sidewalk sort of imaginary trauma that liberals suffer, this
was something real, not the vivid imagination of pathological liars that
are always wanting to be victims so they can cry about it for years


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23562327 - 08/21/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

From 9 months to 8 years , prisoner obviously cares about facts.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: Kinko]
    #23562492 - 08/21/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

she was kidnapped in 2002 and escaped in 2010, it's pretty well known by anyone
that isnt trying to trivialize real victimization with this liberal nonsense
of "I imagined donald trump naked and now I'm one of his rape victims" shit


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23562499 - 08/21/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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she was kidnapped in 2002 and escaped in 2010, it's pretty well known by anyone
that isnt trying to trivialize real victimization with this liberal nonsense
of "I imagined donald trump naked and now I'm one of his rape victims" shit



I thought I read that she was held captive for 9 more months and was rescued.. Not escaped I'm gonna do some research and find out which one of us is a retard.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: Kinko]
    #23562506 - 08/21/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yea look at wikipedia she was only abducted for 9 months and was rescued by the police.... Makes me wonder where u get the 8 year and escape from.. I respected you pris I thought you were. Smart guy but you let me down... Big time.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: koods]
    #23562515 - 08/21/16 09:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Frankly I don't know why this is even a story. This happened years ago. It's sad when a victim is so obsessive about their own victimhood.




Well I highly doubt the media makes it any easier for her. I wouldn't be surprised if she's still frequently contacted by a number of journalists/"researchers"/whatever and asked to relive that shit.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23562519 - 08/21/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Also I think some people are confusing this story with another one.

But don't underestimate how long 9 months can be when you're essentially imprisoned and being tortured on a daily basis.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23562524 - 08/21/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

THESE ARE THE REAL VICTIMS!!!

“We are in pain”
“I don’t deserve to feel afraid at my school”
“I legitimately feared for my life”
“Some of us were expecting shootings. We feared walking alone.”

http://www.newsweek.com/emory-trump-chalk-protests-440618


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23562543 - 08/21/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You still did not answer my question where did you get the 8 years from ? I thought of you as somewhat fair but its becoming clear you are bias...


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23562545 - 08/21/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The thing about politicians is they try to "relate" to as many people as possible. Not as many people are victims of assault as have been concerned about being a victim of assault.


Fear runs too strong in our culture. And I blame the media more than I blame the poor ignorant children that grew up on it.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: Kinko] * 1
    #23562554 - 08/21/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yea look at wikipedia she was only abducted for 9 months and was rescued by the police.... Makes me wonder where u get the 8 year and escape from.. I respected you pris I thought you were. Smart guy but you let me down... Big time.





I confused a couple of others with this one

do you think that being 9 months is any less horrific than being 8 years when you've been kidnapped and raped repeatedly, sometimes multiple times per day?


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23562559 - 08/21/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

9 months is still horrible but no where near as horrible as 8 years.  Facts are important here man.


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    #23562586 - 08/21/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The thing about politicians is they try to "relate" to as many people as possible. Not as many people are victims of assault as have been concerned about being a victim of assault.




it's not politicians that are pushing this victimhood bullshit, it's the ones that
so desperately want to be victims that are doing it, they are traumatized by the
micro aggression of hearing a 'no' and they've suddenly become victims of racism,
sexism or even being raped. the retarded actions of these pansies marginalize the
people that actually are experiencing real victimization

it's one thing to feel you could be a victim of assault, it can be a legitimate
fear but there needs to be some foundation behind it, not simply seeing a name for
an overblown retard scrawled on a sidewalk. it's something entirely different to
file rape charges because someone didnt want to have sex with you or to claim you
now have to have counseling and people should be arrested because they read a word
written in chalk


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Fear runs too strong in our culture. And I blame the media more than I blame the poor ignorant children that grew up on it.





it's fear mongering that runs strong in our country, from this promotional by
elizabeth smart to the constant victimization claims of these college students,
BLM advocates and especially the media pushing this horse shit, teaching them this
new way of life but dont think for an instant that this originated with the media,
it was birth from the social justice "worriers" and the politicians with the media
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    #23562589 - 08/21/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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9 months is still horrible but no where near as horrible as 8 years.  Facts are important here man.





the fact of the matter is you havent been held captive and raped for 8 months or 8
years so you couldnt possibly imagine how horrific it is for any duration


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: Kinko]
    #23562591 - 08/21/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That I think is debatable. I think after a certain point you'd become... numb to it, to a certain extent. You'd accept it for the life you are given.


I mean the people that take the hardest hits are used to being hit. I think tragedy on a personal level is very subjective and we need to understand that we will never truly know what it was like. They are different cases. I don't think you could generalize captivity and rape/abuse. Every case is different. You cannot measure these things by time alone, and you sure as fuck can't say when someone should probably have gotten over something like that.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23562606 - 08/21/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You cannot measure these things by time alone, and you sure as fuck can't say when someone should probably have gotten over something like that.




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Frankly I don't know why this is even a story. This happened years ago. It's sad when a victim is so obsessive about their own victimhood.




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    #23562611 - 08/21/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I wonder if we ask Elizabeth who she would agree with ? I would bet my left nut  she would agree with me and that is the point here... Move on you are wrong and I am correct in this case.


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    #23562654 - 08/21/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I wonder if we ask Elizabeth who she would agree with ? I would bet my left nut  she would agree with me and that is the point here... Move on you are wrong and I am correct in this case.





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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: Kinko]
    #23562698 - 08/21/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Oh no I agree. Anyone in the situation would want it over as soon as possible. But my point was the first few months have to be the worst. Though the more it goes on the more hope you lose. I don't know, there's lots of factors that separate 9 months from 8 years. There's lots of factors that separate 2 weeks from 9 months.


I don't think we will see eye to eye on this, I just want to keep the last point on my previous post...


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    #23562922 - 08/21/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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9 months is still horrible but no where near as horrible as 8 years.  Facts are important here man.





the fact of the matter is you havent been held captive and raped for 8 months or 8
years so you couldnt possibly imagine how horrific it is for any duration



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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23563102 - 08/21/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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she was kidnapped in 2002 and escaped in 2010, it's pretty well known by anyone
that isnt trying to trivialize real victimization with this liberal nonsense
of "I imagined donald trump naked and now I'm one of his rape victims" shit






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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: koods]
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Frankly I don't know why this is even a story. This happened years ago. It's sad when a victim is so obsessive about their own victimhood.




In all fairness she did spend most of her life trapped in victimhood, so she will probably spend another few years wallowing in it before finally gathering inner strength to move on.



Huh? I thought she was missing for a few months




Ah okay, I was confusing this case with another one where a little girl was abducted and spent like close to a decade living in some pedo's backyard.

Still, 9 months is a damn long time. Especially if you are trapped in some guy's basement with no entertainment or anything, a single month would last foreverrrrrrrrrrrr.


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if you are trapped in some guy's basement with no entertainment or anything, a single month would last foreverrrrrrrrrrrr.




Obviously you missed like 95% of the story.  She was repeatedly raped.


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God this thread is so many kinds of fucked up. Nevermind, forget I was here. I only fucked it up more.


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9 months is still horrible but no where near as horrible as 8 years.  Facts are important here man.





the fact of the matter is you havent been held captive and raped for 8 months or 8
years so you couldnt possibly imagine how horrific it is for any duration



8 years is 10.66666667 times worse than 9 months.





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9 months is still horrible but no where near as horrible as 8 years.  Facts are important here man.





the fact of the matter is you havent been held captive and raped for 8 months or 8
years so you couldnt possibly imagine how horrific it is for any duration



8 years is 10.66666667 times worse than 9 months.





prove it



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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: Kinko]
    #23564202 - 08/21/16 08:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That's like saying how many times do you need to be raped  before it fucks you up.:trippingsheens:


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    #23564270 - 08/21/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Duggard was the captive for like ten years,probation officers didn't even check the back property,I hope she sued the gov. And got some cash


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    #23564303 - 08/21/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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That I think is debatable. I think after a certain point you'd become... numb to it, to a certain extent. You'd accept it for the life you are given.


I mean the people that take the hardest hits are used to being hit. I think tragedy on a personal level is very subjective and we need to understand that we will never truly know what it was like. They are different cases. I don't think you could generalize captivity and rape/abuse. Every case is different. You cannot measure these things by time alone, and you sure as fuck can't say when someone should probably have gotten over something like that.



I really like you Cookie. Compassion really means something to you, its not just something you do to be 'nice.' My mental illness isn't visible but its a permanent facet to my life. I create my own hell so often that when actually bad things happen I just take it in stride. Pain can't be measured with a fucking chart of faces of varying degrees of discomfort.


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    #23564319 - 08/21/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Frankly I don't know why this is even a story. This happened years ago. It's sad when a victim is so obsessive about their own victimhood.





yeah, but she actually was victimized and it was a horrifically traumatic
experience, could you imagine being abducted and raped on a daily basis
for 8 years. this isnt like the feminists who suffer from PTSD because the
internet said they were fat and ugly or seeing donald trump's name written
in chalk on the sidewalk sort of imaginary trauma that liberals suffer, this
was something real, not the vivid imagination of pathological liars that
are always wanting to be victims so they can cry about it for years




She secretly liked it. That's what's so traumatic.

Well, admittedly I don't have much to go on here except 65% of females have rape fantasies so chances are I'm right)


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    #23564353 - 08/21/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Only 65%?


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I was wrong it actually is 62%

Close enough. That was from memory.


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    #23564438 - 08/21/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I thought it would be much higher then that, but that just means I've been with a lot of fucked up women.


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    #23564444 - 08/21/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's just the girls you are into.

You probably have a large dominant side.


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    #23564472 - 08/21/16 10:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I wish people were more honest about themselves. I'd love to ask a girl how the fuck she justifies a rape fantasy but IME shit like that leads to comments like "Idk, I'm just that way, why do you have to be an asshole about it?" I've spent hundreds of hours considering the psychologial rammifications of my fetishes, its just interesting."


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    #23564514 - 08/21/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I wish people were more honest about themselves. I'd love to ask a girl how the fuck she justifies a rape fantasy but IME shit like that leads to comments like "Idk, I'm just that way, why do you have to be an asshole about it?" I've spent hundreds of hours considering the psychologial rammifications of my fetishes, its just interesting."




You can't rationally justify feelings and emotions.

Asking someone how they justify their fantasies...

Well, see this is the problem.

People don't have to, just some things should be kept a fantasy.

Thought vs. action.

You can't control your impulses but you can choose not to act on them.


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I wish people were more honest about themselves. I'd love to ask a girl how the fuck she justifies a rape fantasy but IME shit like that leads to comments like "Idk, I'm just that way, why do you have to be an asshole about it?" I've spent hundreds of hours considering the psychologial rammifications of my fetishes, its just interesting."




You can't rationally justify feelings and emotions.

Asking someone how they justify their fantasies...

Well, see this is the problem.

People don't have to, just some things should be kept a fantasy.

Thought vs. action.

You can't control your impulses but you can choose not to act on them.



Easy to say in this scenario considering its all but impossible to act on an impulse to BE raped.

You should absolutely justify your fetishes, otherwise you're just living like a fucking animal.



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I found it facinating, I was both totally creeped-out and totally entranced by her. Skin color became a big deal for me after meeting her. I started getting interested in darker and darker women as years went on, especially because I grew up in a very white-dominant area. It became both slightly taboo and inherently interesting to me. By the time I graduated from college my "bikini model" fantasies were all dominated by extremely dark women and super alternative girls with tattoos.

I have justified a fetish to you. Everyone lives in their own fucking heads, they are all capable of the same


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: bloodsheen]
    #23564546 - 08/21/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You don't justify your fetishes. That makes no sense at all. You can justify *acting on* them. If it's something that would harm yourself or others then you shouldn't act on it. I'm kind of pointing out the obvious, here.

Also, it's called vitiligo.


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    #23564563 - 08/21/16 11:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You don't justify your fetishes. That makes no sense at all. You can justify *acting on* them. If it's something that would harm yourself or others then you shouldn't act on it. I'm kind of pointing out the obvious, here.

Also, it's called vitiligo.



'Justify' does indeed make it sound like it needs acceptance. I guess I meant origin. You don't think its important why so many women find the idea of forced sex erotic? God you're more of a pointless hedonist than I thought.

I can't wait until you're old and your dick isn't as hard and you're wondering why theres nobody around. You're so fucking soulless, Jesus man. Why even post on the internet when theres dicks all over the place to be sucked and put in your butt? Time's a-wasting motherfucker


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You don't justify your fetishes. That makes no sense at all. You can justify *acting on* them. If it's something that would harm yourself or others then you shouldn't act on it. I'm kind of pointing out the obvious, here.

Also, it's called vitiligo.



'Justify' does indeed make it sound like it needs acceptance. I guess I meant origin. You don't think its important why so many women find the idea of forced sex erotic? God you're more of a pointless hedonist than I thought.

I can't wait until you're old and your dick isn't as hard and you're wondering why theres nobody around. You're so fucking soulless, Jesus man. Why even post on the internet when theres dicks all over the place to be sucked and put in your butt? Time's a-wasting motherfucker



Where did all of that come from? Fetishes have nothing to do with long term emotional love usually. a fetish, almost by defenition is weird

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    #23564583 - 08/21/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Just because I'm not having sex ATM doesn't mean I didn't yesterday. And no, I don't think it's important and it is obvious why. From an evolutionary perspective, girls would be mainly attracted to the qualities in males that were most advantageous. Obviously males don't have to be ultra-dominant pigs anymore but not very far back in history that would have made the family most fit for survival since the males were usually the protectors.

It's 62% of females and you think they have to rationalize it? Just wow. It leads to Stockholm Syndrome and reoccurrence of rape but that's a product of being raped. The fantasies that girls have don't lead them to getting raped. If anything it leads to rough sex.


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Just because I'm not having sex ATM doesn't mean I didn't yesterday. And no, I don't think it's important and it is obvious why. From an evolutionary perspective, girls would be mainly attracted to the qualities in males that were most advantageous. Obviously males don't have to be ultra-dominant pigs anymore but not very far back in history that would have made the family most fit for survival since the males were usually the protectors.

It's 62% of females and you think they have to rationalize it? Just wow.



I think racism was a survival technique at one time. Your family/village looked a certain way and if someone was like a fucking different color they obviously didn't belong. Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. What if those blue people are super fucking violent or something? We don't know shit about those assholes, I ain't taking chances

So basically, by your definition, I should hate black people because of a philosophy that made sense 10k years ago. Of course


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    #23564629 - 08/21/16 11:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know how else to get this to sink in.

You are describing an action and one that harms others.

Maybe you can re-read what I wrote and piece this together.


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I don't know how else to get this to sink in.

You are describing an action and one that harms others.

Maybe you can re-read what I wrote and piece this together.



Maybe when there hasn't been any dicks in your vacinity for more than a week you'll piece together what I said


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    #23564655 - 08/21/16 11:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Also, just to add but racism is caused by ignorance. Fetishes are caused by associations that are sometimes made when one is very young and it isn't something they have control over (there have been "cures" attempted, usually involving things like electro shock therapy and nothing that is very humane).

These two aren't analogous at all.


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    #23564667 - 08/22/16 12:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Wow, sure. Real intelligence right there.

What's up your ass?

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Also, just to add but racism is caused by ignorance. Fetishes are caused by associations that are sometimes made when one is very young and it isn't something they have control over (there have been "cures" attempted, usually involving things like electro shock therapy and nothing that is very humane).

These two aren't analogous at all.



Oh really? Have you ever seen the movie Hairspray? Its obviously social commentary but the director of the movie actually stepped in to "cure" Penny of her love of black men. Really so different?


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: bloodsheen]
    #23564685 - 08/22/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The fuck?

Okay, so you're still stuck on racism.

What is the point you are trying to make here?

What's the use? I could make this a children's book with pictures and you still wouldn't get it.


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    #23564697 - 08/22/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The fuck?

Okay, so you're still stuck on racism.

What is the point you are trying to make here?

What's the use? I could make this a children's book with pictures and you still wouldn't get it.



You couldn't even keep a dick out of your mouth long enough to type out an entire childrens book


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    #23564711 - 08/22/16 12:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Why are you obsessed with the fact that I like dick?

Honestly, it's weird.

If you have feelings for me, just come out and say it.


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    #23564728 - 08/22/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Why are you obsessed with the fact that I like dick?

Honestly, it's weird.

If you have feelings for me, just come out and say it.



Oh fuck, I wish I had actually said outloud that you would eventually accuse me of wanting to fuck you. Fucking narcissitic piece of shit. I blocked Crystal G cause I was sick of her disguisting...everything. Every gay guy assumes his sexuality is why someone doesn't like him, cause its way easier to accuse someone of being ignorant than of disliking you for everything that you represent


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    #23565315 - 08/22/16 08:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Why are you obsessed with the fact that I like dick?

Honestly, it's weird.

If you have feelings for me, just come out and say it.



Oh fuck, I wish I had actually said outloud that you would eventually accuse me of wanting to fuck you. Fucking narcissitic piece of shit. I blocked Crystal G cause I was sick of her disguisting...everything. Every gay guy assumes his sexuality is why someone doesn't like him, cause its way easier to accuse someone of being ignorant than of disliking you for everything that you represent




Nah, most people are very surprised when they find out I'm gay. I just find it odd you are concentrating on it so much. Maybe you think I'm ashamed of it, as if every homeless person in Seattle didn't know about it. My friends there were still my friends after I came out. The fact someone owed me $10 was a reason to stop talking to me, not because I was gay.

Maybe you're changing my view on humanity here. Obviously I have no experience in the subject :V


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: bloodsheen]
    #23565326 - 08/22/16 08:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Why are you obsessed with the fact that I like dick?

Honestly, it's weird.

If you have feelings for me, just come out and say it.



Oh fuck, I wish I had actually said outloud that you would eventually accuse me of wanting to fuck you. Fucking narcissitic piece of shit. I blocked Crystal G cause I was sick of her disguisting...everything. Every gay guy assumes his sexuality is why someone doesn't like him, cause its way easier to accuse someone of being ignorant than of disliking you for everything that you represent




You are a moron

you are just assuming peole are saying things that they havent even come close to saying

You are very rude, and thats coming from me, and I dont value being polite much at all


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23565412 - 08/22/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What did I assume here?

I simply asked a question.

I wanted to know why he's so obsessed over my liking dick.

So, are you straight, gay or into dogs? Or what?


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: micro]
    #23565422 - 08/22/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I replied to him. He was assuming things of you, and being very rude


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    #23565427 - 08/22/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Oh fuck I'm sorry, I totally read that wrong.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: bloodsheen]
    #23568767 - 08/23/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The fantasy/reality are clearly seperate to most civilized humans, the Narcisistic psychopaths are another story, they will do/take at will with no regard for human life, no morals/values or empathy. To sexually desire something, fantasize is part of our thoughts as humans, meant to be just that a thought unless you find someone (willing) to share it with, there choice not your decision to MAKE them share this.The sad part is that we are getting to stage in US where they are invading our thoughts by over stepping privacy where a persons thoughts can lead to a conviction w/or w/o acting on the thoughts and that is scary.


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