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Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more
    #23561619 - 08/20/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I can totally forgive her for this belief. You spend literally every waking hour thinking about your own captivity, you start to keep track of your rapes. You're obviously going to notice a correlation between porn and rapes because that sick fuck probably used porn to get himself amped up enough to rape her and rape her but good.

Its sad and sick to me that the media would actually repeat this like its a logical opinion from someone with experience.

Just like when someone who's kid was just killed because he was a fucking gangbanger, and suddenly gun violence is equal to world hunger. That person is literally the last person in the world who has a fair opinion.

If a child choked to death on a grape that mom would want the US govt to distribute a public address about the dangers of feeding grapes to your children.

Just another reason you shouldn't believe a fucking word you hear from mainstream news. Its not that its all lies, its just all so twisted you could never find the whole bald-faced truth (if such a thing even exists in the human condition)


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: bloodsheen] * 1
    #23561648 - 08/20/16 10:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

None of these news stations actually say that pornography is bad. They simply quote what Elizabeth Smart said, and then use the pornography sentence as a caption in the title so it causes more people to click the link. News is about popularity and ratings.

If you pay attention very closely to what the news articles are articulating, none of them actually form a conclusion based on stories they write. People always come to the conclusion on their own.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: bloodsheen]
    #23561719 - 08/20/16 11:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Im unsure if you posted because of the BS MSM or the suffering of this women, but clearly she has a right to state her opinion, and its just that "AN OPINION" but an opinion repeated over and over w/o facts becomes fact in the mind of the viewer! the MSM allowing it like scientific fact only adds to there BS. They fill there script with 80% celebrity BS from the Kardashians to the justin beibers to reality tv people to get viewers, then 10% fluff (cooking/sports weather)then 10% is on issues that are actually important to society, and unfortunately they (MSM) never fact search or investigate a story, they have opinionated insiders with an agenda giving them details as if it factual and proven, without even the 1st glance into other possibilities or motives, spewing it over and over makes veiwers see it as fact!... It has become the National Enquirer or STAR entertainment on steroids produced on MS channels but directing the people to think a certain way to push an agenda like WAR ON TERROR,DRUGS or whatever fits the need. I only wish the average working class American had the time to actually check alternative media sources or travel out of the country and look back at it! It is horrific when you leave the work/family/survive cycle and look at the real news and world views of US Gov/MSM. Sadly the rest of the developed world gets the news through US media, CNN forwards to BBC and so on so they(citizens) have to search alternative media on there own, and unlike the US they find the time to do so and see this mess for what it is, brainwashing propaganda. When you see tv media cut a person off for saying something negative towards your intended directive, cut to commercial, shutting that person down, its a clear sign of fake news/propaganda, I never see that on alternative news, even RT lets the panel bash russia/Putin they don't cut them off, they will let them speak then give there side which usually disproves the bashing, but YOU GET TO HEAR BOTH SIDES REGARDLESS OF OPINION/DIRECTIVES actually what news is supposed to do....
You read the info on DNC emails to screw Sanders in the primaries, this is criminal activities, yet MSM doesn't talk about the crime, they keep referring to the hacker as the criminal and finger pointing at Russia to brain wash the people to hate Russia and hate hackers, what about the crime they uncovered and who is responsible? If NSA hacks you and finds criminal activity, do you think the MSM will talk about the criminal hack or your activities?


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: perikleous] * 1
    #23561766 - 08/20/16 11:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Oh I was absolutely talking about the MSM.

I saw a quote by Carl Jung "Thinking is difficult so most people judge."

I'm quite open about the subject of pornography. There are horrendous pitfalls but theres equal evidence that it might have benefits as well.

You know who the person to ask about porn is? A PhD who majored in both psychiatry and the social sciences, and who has 5+ years in sexually deviant behavior. But that dude's opinion is dorky and boring! A woman who was held in captivity and experienced horrors 99.9% of people can't even really imagine, thats a fucking hook. Who wouldn't tune in to see what she has to say, right?


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: bloodsheen] * 1
    #23561775 - 08/20/16 11:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If you are going to comment on something you've read, could you please provide some links. I have no idea what you're talking about.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: koods]
    #23561779 - 08/20/16 11:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If you are going to comment on something you've read, could you please provide some links. I have no idea what you're talking about.



Yup, sorry, this community is so aware of the news I always assume everyone knows what I'm talking about


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/elizabeth-smart-her-captivity-pornography-made-my-living-hell-worse-n635066?cid=sm_fb


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: bloodsheen]
    #23561928 - 08/21/16 01:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Is she a Mormon? Porn is the new Mormon boogeyman now it's not really socially acceptable to demonize the gays.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: koods]
    #23561930 - 08/21/16 01:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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She has said her strong Mormon faith, plus returning to the activities that brought her joy before her kidnapping, such as playing the harp, have helped her process her trauma.




Nailed it :smug:


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: bloodsheen]
    #23561933 - 08/21/16 01:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

He was sick enough to hold her captive/rape daily, so his pension for porn was not the issue. We all have perverted thoughts that usually go against society especially sexual thoughts that are not about simply kissing and making love to your girlfriend/wife, the most common porn views are not PC they involve everything from incest to foot fetish and im not going near the gay/lesbian/bi or group things so what a person fantasizes about or thinks about during his/her self pleasure time has nothing to do with his morals/values and how they behave in society, how you are brought up and your sanity seperate the thoughts and fantasies from criminal dispicable acts against family/minors/animals or againt a persons will. Two consenting adults (or more) can choose to act out any/all fantasies so long as there are no victims. We have our imagination for a reason, its just that, acting on it in a criminal way is narsacistic behavior and bordering on insanity, your wants coming before your fellow man/woman, your rights to there body over there right to say NO.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: bloodsheen] * 2
    #23561955 - 08/21/16 01:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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bloodsheen said:
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koods said:
If you are going to comment on something you've read, could you please provide some links. I have no idea what you're talking about.



Yup, sorry, this community is so aware of the news I always assume everyone knows what I'm talking about


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/elizabeth-smart-her-captivity-pornography-made-my-living-hell-worse-n635066?cid=sm_fb




Article does not make it seem like pornography is evil or anything,
but the specific quote used in the title:
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Elizabeth Smart on Her Captivity: 'Pornography Made My Living Hell Worse'



seems pretty accurate when read in context in the story itself:
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"My captor was really excited and really kind of amped up about something, and he said, 'Oh, you know, I have something and I'm going to show it to you, and you have to look at it,'" Smart said.

Mitchell then pulled out a "magazine full of hard-core pornography," she said.

"It just led to him raping me more, more than he already did — which was a lot," she said.

"I can't say that he would not have gone out and kidnapped me had he not looked at pornography. All I know is that pornography made my living hell worse."

Smart was rescued in March of 2003. She has said her strong Mormon faith, plus returning to the activities that brought her joy before her kidnapping, such as playing the harp, have helped her process her trauma.




She did also state that she can't say pornography is responsible for what happened to her.
Sure, her "strong Mormon faith" could colour an overall opinion of pornography, but that it was used as a tool in her experience would have indeed made her experience worse than it was.

Similarly, she could speak out against alcohol on the basis of:
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She said every time she thought she had "hit rock bottom, my captor would find something new to make it worse."
One time, she said, Mitchell forced her to drink so much alcohol, she passed out. She woke up face-down on the ground, vomit crusted in her hair.

"And I remember waking up that moment and thinking, how can it get any lower than this?"
...





Alcohol made her living hell worse too.  The video is made by an anti-porn organization rather than an anti-alcohol organization though, so they skip past that rather than focus in on it.  Not surprising.

But the news story seems to be more about the video she made, rather than the overall occurrence itself -- in that regard, news outlets running with the porn narrative makes sense, because that is what the anti-porn organization she apparently made the video for decided to focus on.
Hell, the news story actually specifically leaves out quoting the line in the video where she essentially said that pornography lead to him kidnapping her.

The article simply has:
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"Looking at pornography wasn't enough for him. Having sex with his wife after looking at pornography wasn't enough for him," she said, simply referring to Mitchell as her "captor" during the 5-minute, 15 -second video, and never mentioning him by name. "He just always wanted more."



Which actually quotes every line of that section of the video, except the line where she says "...and then it lead him to finally going out and kidnapping me..."

Not saying that mainstream media isn't trash, but it seems that, at least in the article you posted, they are attempting to get clicks by talking about the video being published, but they aren't the ones making it seem like pornography was responsible for what happened -- the anti-porn organization she made the video for is.
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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: Tantrika]
    #23561962 - 08/21/16 01:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Frankly I don't know why this is even a story. This happened years ago. It's sad when a victim is so obsessive about their own victimhood.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: koods]
    #23561973 - 08/21/16 01:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Because shes a poster child for the mormons. Shes the story you use to scare the public about anything taboo. It has nothing to do with the fact that her abductors were bat-shit crazy. It all about her abductor's lifestyle and how it caused them to do these things so now we need to ban everything.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: koods]
    #23562009 - 08/21/16 02:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Frankly I don't know why this is even a story. This happened years ago. It's sad when a victim is so obsessive about their own victimhood.




In all fairness she did spend most of her life trapped in victimhood, so she will probably spend another few years wallowing in it before finally gathering inner strength to move on.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: Crystal G]
    #23562046 - 08/21/16 02:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Frankly I don't know why this is even a story. This happened years ago. It's sad when a victim is so obsessive about their own victimhood.




In all fairness she did spend most of her life trapped in victimhood, so she will probably spend another few years wallowing in it before finally gathering inner strength to move on.



Huh? I thought she was missing for a few months


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: koods]
    #23562267 - 08/21/16 07:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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koods said:
Frankly I don't know why this is even a story. This happened years ago. It's sad when a victim is so obsessive about their own victimhood.




In all fairness she did spend most of her life trapped in victimhood, so she will probably spend another few years wallowing in it before finally gathering inner strength to move on.



Huh? I thought she was missing for a few months




The trauma will be there for her entire life. Real traumatic events have a way of staying with you and popping up randomly. She will never have a normal life. To act like a few years being away from that situation and everything should be honky doory is just asinine.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: koods]
    #23562300 - 08/21/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Frankly I don't know why this is even a story. This happened years ago. It's sad when a victim is so obsessive about their own victimhood.





yeah, but she actually was victimized and it was a horrifically traumatic
experience, could you imagine being abducted and raped on a daily basis
for 8 years. this isnt like the feminists who suffer from PTSD because the
internet said they were fat and ugly or seeing donald trump's name written
in chalk on the sidewalk sort of imaginary trauma that liberals suffer, this
was something real, not the vivid imagination of pathological liars that
are always wanting to be victims so they can cry about it for years


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23562327 - 08/21/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

From 9 months to 8 years , prisoner obviously cares about facts.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: Kinko]
    #23562492 - 08/21/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

she was kidnapped in 2002 and escaped in 2010, it's pretty well known by anyone
that isnt trying to trivialize real victimization with this liberal nonsense
of "I imagined donald trump naked and now I'm one of his rape victims" shit


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23562499 - 08/21/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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she was kidnapped in 2002 and escaped in 2010, it's pretty well known by anyone
that isnt trying to trivialize real victimization with this liberal nonsense
of "I imagined donald trump naked and now I'm one of his rape victims" shit



I thought I read that she was held captive for 9 more months and was rescued.. Not escaped I'm gonna do some research and find out which one of us is a retard.


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Re: Elizabeth Smart says porn made her captor rape her more [Re: Kinko]
    #23562506 - 08/21/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yea look at wikipedia she was only abducted for 9 months and was rescued by the police.... Makes me wonder where u get the 8 year and escape from.. I respected you pris I thought you were. Smart guy but you let me down... Big time.


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