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Mycolorado
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: Quadman]
#23594209 - 08/30/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Like Quadman said, it will help to wet the floor or put a wet towel under the buckets to raise rh. The lights will definitely help as well. I think your biggest issue is the FAE...humidity and FAE are a tough balancing act when we're limited by our equipment or live in deserts. Some people build swamp coolers out of 5 gallon buckets(see youtube) to help with rh while simultaneously providing FAE. Not sure on the phoenix...they may just be taking a bit longer to start fruiting...Either way, you're on the right track. I built a 5'x5'x6' fruiting chamber in my basement. Here's a pic with the swamp cooler (don't use it anymore but should). You might be able to do the same or put together a "Martha".
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: weetsie]
#23597134 - 08/31/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the feedback guys, super helpful 
Will post pics today, oyster pins look so cool!!!
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#23598894 - 08/31/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have two recomendations for you:
- I would move that grow outside if the conditions make it possible. I remember RR talking about getting nasty allergies due to the spores coming off of his oysters on his indoor grows.
- I recommend even smaller holes than 1/2". Look at the difference below. The orange bucket had 7/8" holes. And the grey one had 1/8" holes.


I attribute the difference to increased moisture retention. Any buckets I make in the future will have the smaller holes.
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OldYamaha
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Did you line the buckets here with plastic bags, or just using a plastic bucket? And what was the production weight difference of the 2 Buckets? They look like they were substantially higher in the smaller holed one.
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wildernessjunkie said: I have two recomendations for you:
- I would move that grow outside if the conditions make it possible. I remember RR talking about getting nasty allergies due to the spores coming off of his oysters on his indoor grows.
- I recommend even smaller holes than 1/2". Look at the difference below. The orange bucket had 7/8" holes. And the grey one had 1/8" holes.


I attribute the difference to increased moisture retention. Any buckets I make in the future will have the smaller holes.
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Marty Mycfly
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: OldYamaha]
#23662054 - 09/20/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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c10, pleasure to meet you, I have seen some of your other posts around here and wanted to thank you for being a breath of fresh air. I wanted to tell you that your tek you just wrote for 150 ppm bleach solution is awesome and should be posted in this forum as well, and may be more appreciated. Anyways, I look forward to seeing more of your oysters, grows, teks and discussions
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: Marty Mycfly]
#23662421 - 09/20/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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wildernessjunkie said: I have two recomendations for you:
- I would move that grow outside if the conditions make it possible. I remember RR talking about getting nasty allergies due to the spores coming off of his oysters on his indoor grows.
- I recommend even smaller holes than 1/2". Look at the difference below. The orange bucket had 7/8" holes. And the grey one had 1/8" holes.


I attribute the difference to increased moisture retention. Any buckets I make in the future will have the smaller holes.
dude you rock! killer post, excellent info, +5 
I just read a study about mushroom cultivators lung disease on commercial oyster farms in china, apparently they really mess some people up!
i moved the blues outside (beside some SGFCs full of lions mane blocks lol), and they seemed to love it! I kept the phoenix oysters inside, since the temps might be a bit low for it outside
i have been so enjoying eating these things! been having oysters and lions mane every other meal, its so satisfying eating something you grew 
in all future buckets i will most definitely be using tiny holes instead of the gargantuans i used here


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Marty Mycfly said: c10, pleasure to meet you, I have seen some of your other posts around here and wanted to thank you for being a breath of fresh air. I wanted to tell you that your tek you just wrote for 150 ppm bleach solution is awesome and should be posted in this forum as well, and may be more appreciated. Anyways, I look forward to seeing more of your oysters, grows, teks and discussions
much obliged my friend! and likewise! thanks for the kind words, the pleasure is all mine 
thanks buddy, im glad you found it useful! I see it suggested everywhere but couldnt find any details on the procedure (for math idiots like myself lol), so i shared once i figured it out. very surprised by the technique's effectiveness though
is there a good way to post it here? i suspect it would be very useful to anyone growing king oysters, since they are notoriously susceptible to pseudomonas. but of course it wouldnt make sense to do a double post of the same thing in two forums (and against the rules). i think you are right, it would probably help more people here
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#23662942 - 09/20/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lookin good mate!
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: TravelAgency]
#23663164 - 09/20/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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.killer buckets!
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: Quadman]
#23663772 - 09/21/16 12:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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There were no liners in the bucket. And I didnt weigh out the difference in production. Just by visual inspection though, its clear to see the winner.
IIRC those were, P.Pulonaris MS3 culture.
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Marty Mycfly
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The spores really fuck me up, I use a 3m p100 mask and make sure everything is exhausting properly and still it affects me, I get sudden fevers and lung problems as symptoms. RR almost DIED because of oyster spores, the story is on here from his words somewhere deep in this forum, but in short he was fruiting oysters in a mini greenhouse in his bed room while he was staying in an apartment in the city, he suddenly fell severely ill and thought he had the flu or something and layed in bed for 3 days in the very same room that was making him sick, he said by the time the misses got him to the hospital he was in anaphylactic shock and almost died, the allergy stayed with him and he could never grow oysters again and would run far away from any he saw growing in the wild while hiking and such. He said said it was so bad, that even after years of not being around oysters he decided to grow a batch in his buried grow house and became ill from inside his own house the minute they started even pinning, had to have the wife go out and chuck a bunch of logs in the snow off property. You can see why he was primarily a shiitaki farmer. These motherfuckers aint no joke, and I feel I fucked myself on my very first grow not taking precaution and boy did it really catch up to me.
Edited by Marty Mycfly (09/21/16 01:28 AM)
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: Marty Mycfly]
#23663977 - 09/21/16 02:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Great grow and some interesting info re the spores.
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OldYamaha
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Thanks. I have been using 3.5 gallon frosting buckets from WalMart, with 1" holes but with plastic bag liners. I got 27#s from a 40# bag of sawdust, and I will repeat that but also do a bag with the smaller holes to compare it with. Harry
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: OldYamaha]
#23665055 - 09/21/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Marty Mycfly said: The spores really fuck me up, I use a 3m p100 mask and make sure everything is exhausting properly and still it affects me, I get sudden fevers and lung problems as symptoms. RR almost DIED because of oyster spores, the story is on here from his words somewhere deep in this forum, but in short he was fruiting oysters in a mini greenhouse in his bed room while he was staying in an apartment in the city, he suddenly fell severely ill and thought he had the flu or something and layed in bed for 3 days in the very same room that was making him sick, he said by the time the misses got him to the hospital he was in anaphylactic shock and almost died, the allergy stayed with him and he could never grow oysters again and would run far away from any he saw growing in the wild while hiking and such. He said said it was so bad, that even after years of not being around oysters he decided to grow a batch in his buried grow house and became ill from inside his own house the minute they started even pinning, had to have the wife go out and chuck a bunch of logs in the snow off property. You can see why he was primarily a shiitaki farmer. These motherfuckers aint no joke, and I feel I fucked myself on my very first grow not taking precaution and boy did it really catch up to me.
oh my god, im gonna have to find that post 
here are a few academic papers on the topic:
https://occmed.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/7/465.full.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4535017/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2367412 <------- check this out at least
holy shit google indexes this site quickly!!

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Bunya said: Great grow and some interesting info re the spores.
thanks buddy, glad you found it helpful , i certainly have!! 
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OldYamaha said: Thanks. I have been using 3.5 gallon frosting buckets from WalMart, with 1" holes but with plastic bag liners. I got 27#s from a 40# bag of sawdust, and I will repeat that but also do a bag with the smaller holes to compare it with. Harry
btw whats the reasoning behind using a liner for buckets like these? i see lots of people in other threads who have strong feeling about them one way or another, in some particular context or other, but people never seem to qualify their rants lol
Edited by c10h12n2o (09/21/16 01:58 PM)
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Marty Mycfly
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#23665127 - 09/21/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow, the third link wasn't working, I don't know if you can post it again? But damn, crazy shit.
Edited by Marty Mycfly (09/21/16 01:50 PM)
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: Marty Mycfly]
#23665155 - 09/21/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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thanks buddy, fixed 
apparently its something you really want to avoid; there is basically no treatment for it, drugs are useless. avoidance is really the only way to treat it or prevent it
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#23665166 - 09/21/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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While growing them it is pretty unavoidable for me no matter what I do, just some getting on my clothes while Im in the room will affect me later, either I just have an allergy concerning oyster spores or it happened from getting over exposed initially.
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: Marty Mycfly]
#23665169 - 09/21/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes that link was very bleak
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OldYamaha
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: Marty Mycfly]
#23665264 - 09/21/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Easier cleanup, but if you use larger holes (I use 1" holes) I use a 3 blade broadhead to poke holes in the liner through the 1" holes. After the 2nd flush, pull the bags from the bucket, break the bags, send to the recycle center, bags into the recycle container, soak the buckets in a bleach/soap tub, rinse, repeat. Less plastic in the trash, less work.

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btw whats the reasoning behind using a liner for buckets like these? i see lots of people in other threads who have strong feeling about them one way or another, in some particular context or other, but people never seem to qualify their rants lol
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: Marty Mycfly]
#23666741 - 09/21/16 11:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Marty Mycfly said: The spores really fuck me up, I use a 3m p100 mask and make sure everything is exhausting properly and still it affects me, I get sudden fevers and lung problems as symptoms. RR almost DIED because of oyster spores, the story is on here from his words somewhere deep in this forum, but in short he was fruiting oysters in a mini greenhouse in his bed room while he was staying in an apartment in the city, he suddenly fell severely ill and thought he had the flu or something and layed in bed for 3 days in the very same room that was making him sick, he said by the time the misses got him to the hospital he was in anaphylactic shock and almost died, the allergy stayed with him and he could never grow oysters again and would run far away from any he saw growing in the wild while hiking and such. He said said it was so bad, that even after years of not being around oysters he decided to grow a batch in his buried grow house and became ill from inside his own house the minute they started even pinning, had to have the wife go out and chuck a bunch of logs in the snow off property. You can see why he was primarily a shiitaki farmer. These motherfuckers aint no joke, and I feel I fucked myself on my very first grow not taking precaution and boy did it really catch up to me.
Holy hell. I had no idea. Thanks for the info. I guess I should at least take precautions when I go into my buddy's huge FC.
By the by: good to see you back Marty! let me know if you need any wedges!
Edited by TravelAgency (09/21/16 11:04 PM)
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