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First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :)
#23560882 - 08/20/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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hi everyone, i am new to gourmet and medicinal, but i have lots of stuff in the works 
Here are a few buckets that are getting close to ready to fruit, wanted to get some feedback on how to move forward from someone more experienced
Blue Oyster straw buckets, 5 days after spawning:
Lung/phoenix oyster straw bucket, 8 days after spawning:

thanks a bunch!
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#23560907 - 08/20/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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they look ready to fruit. you will have best results with cooler temps for the blue, not sure where you are in the world but below 15 Celsius is what you'll need. Phoenix are best in summer. Both will need fresh air, light, and high humidity to get some pins going.
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: anthiawe]
#23561102 - 08/20/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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great thanks ! 
i am in the PNW, and have a basement that stays right at 65 F, but my incubator room is around 81 F
should i drape a trashbag over them and mist under lights, with a fan in the corner? any recommendations? i also have a 75 F fruiting room and outside shaded areas available, and since the buckets are easy to move i can set up whatever seems to be a good plan
much obliged my friend
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#23561510 - 08/20/16 09:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Unless those buckets are only about the size of a mug, those holes are quite considerably too large. You will likely struggle to stop it from drying out once you take the bag off. For future reference, you don't need holes any larger than 1/2 inch.
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: kunino]
#23561609 - 08/20/16 10:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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kunino said: Unless those buckets are only about the size of a mug, those holes are quite considerably too large. You will likely struggle to stop it from drying out once you take the bag off. For future reference, you don't need holes any larger than 1/2 inch.
It's going to be an uphill battle to keep your substrate from drying out.
I feel you are on the right track with the bags+fan+light.
Anthiawe is right-you'll need some high humidity to get those guys pinning.
I work at a commercial spot that does oysters for restaurants. We use hanging straw logs in greenhouse scenarios. It's a well known spot so that's all I'll say for the sake of anonymity.
Humidity needs to real high to grab pins.
RR's idea of slicing the bag open and gently laying the plastic back over the substrate is PERFECT as the micro-climate created is wonderful to achieve a brilliant pinset.
All the best! Keep us updated!
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: morty422]
#23561873 - 08/21/16 12:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I really appreciate the feedback guys, much obliged my friends 
That makes lots of sense!!! It was such a pain in the ass keeping straw from falling out while making them. I think they are 4 gallon and 2 gallon buckets, and I made the holes 2", as per recommendation of the guy that sent me the culture in a trade, he said to make 2" holes lol... So 1/2" really? Is that big enough to support clusters? Should I tape up the holes to restrict them down closer to spec?
Thanks morty, that's really cool! I tried a straw log cube grow once when I first started growing, it didn't do well overall , but it made 5 tiny flushes and then the single largest mushroom I've ever grown as the 7th!! Over 11" long! Crazy compared to the earlier fruits! I would love to try some vertical logs in a greenhouse though, what a cool job!
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#23561892 - 08/21/16 12:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have had huge clusters grow out of the air holes i stab in my logs which can't be more than 1/8th inch, 1/2" is plenty.
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: weetsie]
#23561907 - 08/21/16 01:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Makes sense, thanks buddy!! Anything I can do to salvage these? Maybe tape the holes down to 1/2"?
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: weetsie]
#23561983 - 08/21/16 01:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah just use anything to reduce the hole, bit of tape will be fine.
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: weetsie]
#23562005 - 08/21/16 02:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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weetsie said: Yeah just use anything to reduce the hole, bit of tape will be fine.

Remember spawning nor fruiting are sterile events. Whatever you want to do to make the holes smaller will work. No worries! These will be good grows!
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: morty422]
#23564291 - 08/21/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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thanks a bunch guys, yall rock
so i was just telling my gf the plan, to tape up the holes to restrict them to a smaller size, and she said "why dont you just tape up all the holes and make new holes with your 3/4" hole saw?" dunno why i didnt think of that lol.... does this sound viable to yall?
if so, do i need to take any special precautions, or is there anything else fundamental i should keep in mind regarding hole placement, size, etc?
much obliged my friends
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#23564311 - 08/21/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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3/4" might still be a bit big, to be honest. But more importantly, if you drill into it now you will damage the growing mycelium. It will then take several more days for it to recover, and the damage may provide a point of entry for contaminants. Better, I think, just to use tape or some such to reduce the size of the current holes, and leave drilling new, smaller holes until next time.
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: kunino]
#23564447 - 08/21/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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kunino said: 3/4" might still be a bit big, to be honest. But more importantly, if you drill into it now you will damage the growing mycelium. It will then take several more days for it to recover, and the damage may provide a point of entry for contaminants. Better, I think, just to use tape or some such to reduce the size of the current holes, and leave drilling new, smaller holes until next time.
Yes. Just apply tape to create a smaller 'hole'. We do the same with our hanging logs when one of us accidentally rips the bag open due to being over zealous with the hole punch.
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: morty422]
#23564617 - 08/21/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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thanks a bunch friends, very helpful, i really appreciate it
should i just reduce each hole down to a single 1/2" hole, or should i try to tape it down to fit 2 holes per hole? if i tape each one down to a single 1/2" hole, will i have enough total holes?
Im about to tape them up and then move the blue oyster buckets to the basement, and put a trash bag over them loosely.. as far as misting and other maintainance, do i just 12/12 light and mist the hole areas lightly ? sorry for all the dumb questions, im totally new to these species 
i suppose the i will do the same with the lung/phoenix bucket, except maybe move it to my fruiting room (77 F) or fruit it in my incubator room where it is at 81 F. or perhaps even on my shady back porch here in PNW, temps been in high 80s F. what do yall think?
thanks again for helping me break into the world of edibles
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#23564632 - 08/21/16 11:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You must have 6+ holes in those? that's plenty.
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: weetsie]
#23564683 - 08/22/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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i have no idea, apparently the original plan i started with was WAY off, 2" sure made things messy!! if the overall number of holes looks ok i will just tape em down into single 1/2" holes
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#23593682 - 08/30/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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UPDATE:
I finally have some pins on one of my blue oyster buckets!! lots of em actually oddly enough, the identical bucket beside it has zero


any ideas/feedback? assume im totally ignorant haha
also my lung/phoenix bucket, which was WAY colonized , still hasnt pinned :/ i have it in my main fruiting room in the mid 70s
what does it seem like i am doing wrong?
mush obliged my friends
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#23593820 - 08/30/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey tonin, looks like they need a lot more FAE and light. Oysters grown in low light will produce club-like fruit with tiny caps. Inadequate FAE will result in coral-like or really fucked up looking mushrooms if they don't just abort. What are your growing conditions?
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: Mycolorado]
#23593892 - 08/30/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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thanks buddy!!
my new hygrometer is coming in tomorrow , i will post specifics then
the blue oysters are 2x 2 gal buckets, in a basement that stays pretty cool, probably 70 F at the warmest, usualy 64ish F. i sat it on a plastic bin to raise it off the ground, put a single clear trashbag liner over it as a humidity tent, and i cut slits in the bag for FAE (some holes might have been too big) I then put an oscilating fan in the corner and leave it on low (if the airstream is too close to the buckets, it is impossible to keep the tent humid). i have been using standard incandescent room light manually turning it on and off with the sun. One of the buckets has pins on almost every single hole!!! so cool looking, im stoked but the other has none at all. the one with the pins is furthest from the fan, but only slightly. I have been misting them 1-2 times daily
(FYI: timers, 6500k CFL lights, and hygrometer will all be here tomorrow)
the lung/phoenix is a 4 gal bucket with a clear liner humidity tent like the others. the temp stays 73-78 F , usually 74. misted daily, and leave a fan running in the corner 24/7. no pins at all on this one yet, which surprises me because it was the most colonize and aggressive by far, must be doing something wrong. lol i hope all the pins arent under the lid (i havent checked )
need anything else? i really appreciate your help good people
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Re: First Oyster and Phoenix Buckets :) [Re: c10h12n2o]
#23593914 - 08/30/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice pins . I think you need to remove the plastic to fruit them. They can't get enough air under the plastic.
Keep plastic on the Phoenix until they pin.
If you can water the floor or soak some towels to get humidity up while they fruit. Keep humid as possible. Humidifier would be great.
Fan can dry them out.
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