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Re: Dabiq, What Muslems Really Want and Why they Hate Us-Sam Harris(40 min video) [Re: 404]
#23561816 - 08/21/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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404 said: zika affects adults too man. I need to get the hell out of here. by the way, they are taking measures to control it in miami now. they are pretty much destroying mosquito populations in some portions, not a bad idea but i'm skeptical of the implications this may have down the line.
Yeah, but Ziki infection is pretty inconsequential for adults. They can spray. i don't know if they can stop it tho.
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Re: Dabiq, What Muslems Really Want and Why they Hate Us-Sam Harris(40 min video) [Re: koods]
#23561821 - 08/21/16 12:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Didn't London just elect a Muslim mayor?
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Re: Dabiq, What Muslems Really Want and Why they Hate Us-Sam Harris(40 min video) [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23561867 - 08/21/16 12:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just because he is muslim and the women stand at the back when he gives speeches and the locals are banned from no-go zones and people silence each other with terms like Islamophobia for questioning immigration policies doesn't mean that they are colonizing or going to take over...... Gosh get it together you racist.
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Re: Dabiq, What Muslems Really Want and Why they Hate Us-Sam Harris(40 min video) [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23561882 - 08/21/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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MrBlueYoMind said: Just because he is muslim and the women stand at the back when he gives speeches and the locals are banned from no-go zones and people silence each other with terms like Islamophobia for questioning immigration policies doesn't mean that they are colonizing or going to take over...... Gosh get it together you racist.
None of those things are actually true. But, whatever.
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Re: Dabiq, What Muslems Really Want and Why they Hate Us-Sam Harris(40 min video) [Re: koods]
#23561913 - 08/21/16 01:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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None of those things are actually true. But, whatever.
Well that changes everything... Sadiq Khan ISN'T a muslim, and his speech on Bremain DIDN'T have women at the back (I'm not saying he made them, I'm saying that's how it was) and Islamophobia is NEVER used as an ad-hominem when someone criticizes the immigration policies. K
And as for no-go zones... Clearly this isn't real. Nothing to see here.
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Re: Dabiq, What Muslems Really Want and Why they Hate Us-Sam Harris(40 min video) [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23561920 - 08/21/16 01:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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you just claimed that women stand at the back of the room during his speeches because he's a Muslim. Prove that.
You claim that locals are banned for no-go zones. Prove that.
You claim that saying "islamophobia" silences critics. Prove that.
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Re: Dabiq, What Muslems Really Want and Why they Hate Us-Sam Harris(40 min video) [Re: koods]
#23561932 - 08/21/16 01:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I did not say they stand at the back because he is a muslim. My claim was that they are colonizing their country and those are symptoms which will allow it to happen.
Islamophobia is a term created by fascist and used by cowards to manipulate morons. ~Richard Dawkins
And you're right about one thing- it only attempts to silence critics. It is a term of manipulation meant to subvert the arguments being presented as coming from someone that is irrational.
As far as no-go zones, the video I posted clearly shows muslims harassing locals(a suspected gay guy) for being in the wrong area.
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Re: Dabiq, What Muslems Really Want and Why they Hate Us-Sam Harris(40 min video) [Re: MrBlueYoMind] 1
#23561953 - 08/21/16 01:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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MrBlueYoMind said: I did not say they stand at the back because he is a muslim.
That was certainly your implication: he is muslim and the women stand at the back when he gives speeches
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Islamophobia is a term created by fascist and used by cowards to manipulate morons. ~Richard Dawkins
And you're right about one thing- it only attempts to silence critics. It is a term of manipulation meant to subvert the arguments being presented as coming from someone that is irrational.
That's not silencing. You are free to continue debating even if someone calls you an islamophobe.
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As far as no-go zones, the video I posted clearly shows muslims harassing locals(a suspected gay guy) for being in the wrong area.
Harassing is not banning. You said people were banned
The cops should just arrest those assholes for harassing people. They are only getting away with it because they let them get away with it.
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Re: Dabiq, What Muslems Really Want and Why they Hate Us-Sam Harris(40 min video) [Re: koods]
#23561974 - 08/21/16 01:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Like I said you are right that it only attempts to silence. But it certainly is used and that is a symptom of the colonization of the west.
If I said "He is muslim so the women stand at the back during his speeches" then your point might be valid. But the word AND implies they are separate premises to support the argument that colonization is occurring. Maybe a comma might have made it more clear to you. The women standing at the back during his speeches is a symptom of their culture changing due to colonization.
And your claim that "None of those things are true" has been disproven. The mayor of London is an admitted muslim. Therefor, your response has been negated.
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Re: Dabiq, What Muslems Really Want and Why they Hate Us-Sam Harris(40 min video) [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23562006 - 08/21/16 02:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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MrBlueYoMind said: If I said "He is muslim so the women stand at the back during his speeches" then your point might be valid. But the word AND implies they are separate premises to support the argument that colonization is occurring. Maybe a comma might have made it more clear to you. The women standing at the back during his speeches is a symptom of their culture changing due to colonization.
You're not making any sense. You just said that them standing at the back is a symptom of their culture. Ergo, they are standing at the back, according to you, because he is Muslim or Arab.
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Re: Dabiq, What Muslems Really Want and Why they Hate Us-Sam Harris(40 min video) [Re: MrBlueYoMind] 1
#23562370 - 08/21/16 08:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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As for Islam not being a threat to the west, tell that to the 1400 years of conflict between the two. Muslims aren't inherently bad people, in fact many if not most are good people, but to say Islam and the west don't have history is living in denial. The fact that so many people seem to ignore this aspect of reality is an indicator of its threat level. 
No one's talking about history. The Ottoman Empire is long gone, the ME has been colonized, the gap in power between the West and the rest of the world is unprecedented.
Russia and China together are a threat due to their nuclear capabilities, but not in a conventional war. The Middle East is a joke right now, and will be for another hundred years at least.
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Re: Dabiq, What Muslems Really Want and Why they Hate Us-Sam Harris(40 min video) [Re: Repertoire89]
#23562510 - 08/21/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I changed the video My whole tablet is fucked up. My junkie roommate stole my other one and I had to buy a cheap piece of garbage. The outer edges of the tablet dont even work. way worse then the keyboard not working. It reloads the page back to home for no reason.
I was going to make another thread about that, because its creepy and he is the brother of a popular vegan youtuber.
anyway, changed the video
embarassing
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Re: Dabiq, What Muslems Really Want and Why they Hate Us-Sam Harris(40 min video) [Re: specialpeopleclub] 1
#23563178 - 08/21/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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So I listened to most of it I view him as short sighted
He asks early on if one would question the motive of a medical student, and says of course not, because they work so hard. Then compares this to daesh and their motives. He goes on to say their motives are purely theological.
That is basically the premise of what I heard (about 30min)
Medical students are not psychologically infallible by any means not even going to go into detail
As far as daesh, yeah there are going to be a lot of people motivated purely by theology, maybe 5% of them. The rest might think that's what motivates them, but the reality is going to be socio-economic.
The history of Islam is a mix of reasonable and unreasonable people. Just like Catholics.
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Re: Dabiq, What Muslems Really Want and Why they Hate Us-Sam Harris(40 min video) [Re: Repertoire89]
#23563199 - 08/21/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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A motivation for doing something is the reason someone holds for doing that thing. How is it that you think 95% of isis is just mistaken about what they hold as their reason for acting as they do? That's ridiculous.
We're not talking about the history of Islam and Catholicism. We are talking about what is going on right now. 20-80 and 70-30 are both 'mixes'. You can't just say "well, they're both just mixes" and call it a wash.
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Re: Dabiq, What Muslems Really Want and Why they Hate Us-Sam Harris(40 min video) [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23563204 - 08/21/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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clock_of_omens said: A motivation for doing something is the reason someone holds for doing that thing. How is it that you think 95% of isis is just mistaken about what they hold as their reason for acting as they do? That's ridiculous.
We're not talking about the history of Islam and Catholicism. We are talking about what is going on right now. 20-80 and 70-30 are both 'mixes'. You can't just say "well, they're both just mixes" and call it a wash.
Well as I don't really have the focus time right now I'm not going to delve into psychological academics, studies, etc
However it has been my observation, that the vast majority of people do not understand what motivates their actions, and the rest have only a limited understanding (including myself).
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Re: Dabiq, What Muslems Really Want and Why they Hate Us-Sam Harris(40 min video) [Re: Repertoire89]
#23563215 - 08/21/16 03:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you only have a limited understanding of your own motivations, how is it that you think you are privy to the hidden motivations of a group of people you have likely never had a single encounter with to the degree that you can make statements as ridiculous as 95% don't understand their own reasons for doing what they do?
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Re: Dabiq, What Muslems Really Want and Why they Hate Us-Sam Harris(40 min video) [Re: koods]
#23563222 - 08/21/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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404 said: zika affects adults too man. I need to get the hell out of here. by the way, they are taking measures to control it in miami now. they are pretty much destroying mosquito populations in some portions, not a bad idea but i'm skeptical of the implications this may have down the line.
Yeah, but Ziki infection is pretty inconsequential for adults. They can spray. i don't know if they can stop it tho.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-19/zika-may-cause-brain-damage-in-adults-too
i know i'm off topic here, so i'll leave this as it is.
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Re: Dabiq, What Muslems Really Want and Why they Hate Us-Sam Harris(40 min video) [Re: clock_of_omens] 1
#23563267 - 08/21/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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clock_of_omens said: If you only have a limited understanding of your own motivations, how is it that you think you are privy to the hidden motivations of a group of people you have likely never had a single encounter with to the degree that you can make statements as ridiculous as 95% don't understand their own reasons for doing what they do?
The matter is fairly simple.
Emotions blind people, stress may motivate someone to quit their job or join a war, while they rationalize the action in any number of ways. It doesn't matter if I've met them, they're human and this holds true regardless of their culture, race, etc.
All of our thoughts and actions are affected by emotions and feelings, this can only be mitigated to a limited degree. You also misquoted me, I said 100% of people don't fully understand their motives, and 5% may genuinely be motivated by theology.
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Re: Dabiq, What Muslems Really Want and Why they Hate Us-Sam Harris(40 min video) [Re: Repertoire89]
#23563336 - 08/21/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's a ridiculous view of people. Everyone is just walking around acting, blind to their 'true' motivations and rationalizing away. Totally asinine.
So let me get this straight. The vast majority of ISIS will cite their religion as their motivation. Not a single one of them is actually aware of their true motivation, but 5% just happen to be right? You're ridiculous.
If no one is aware of their true motivations, then what is the difference between someone telling you their motivation and not telling you? Either way their true motivation remains unknown, unless their rationalization happens to be the same as their actual motivation. But how do we know when that is the case? If no one knows their true motivations, then how are we supposed to know the motivations of others? Are you trying to say that it is actually easier to divine the true motivations of another than oneself?
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Re: Dabiq, What Muslems Really Want and Why they Hate Us-Sam Harris(40 min video) [Re: clock_of_omens] 1
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Now you begin to understand
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