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paracelsusgold

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Re: amanita muscaria/honeyballs [Re: WhoManBeing]
#23564269 - 08/21/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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dear who i used to dry the mushrooms and then mix them with honey and something else i cant recall now but i would roll them up into small sweet balls and they were good. whats new in oregon? 
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MushroomMomo said: Amanita is probably the strangest ethnobotanical I've ever taken. Whenever i consume amanita formosa,and var muscaria i get sweats and chills for the first few hours of the experience which eventually after a few hours ends and leaves me in a slight psychedelic headspace. Whenever I've used pantherina I'm able to consume about 1/2 to a full cap and i have full on CEV's absolutely no side effects and i'm stumbling around like i'm drunk. very strange.
It is so very much weird as this person is explaining.
Not the ideal psychedelic, but it is something very real, sweaty, and serious. I only smoke it with weed ever after taking some full doses orally. It is a great smoke. The skin off the cap is divine.
momo i thought the pantherina was deadly if ingested. whats a cev? 
A CEV as pandemoon stated is a closed eye visual. I also get what someone may call Open eyed visuals but not like you would see on psilocybin and some people wouldn't consider them open eyed visuals(changes in color,blurred vision,size and distance distortions). Also pantherina doesn't seem deadly as I've microdosed it for a few weeks straight i think you may be confusing it with the "death cap" or amanita phalloides which is one of the most mistakenly ingested mushrooms. But then again i may not have ingested pantherina at all as i find it ridiculously hard to tell the difference between amanita pantherina and regalis as when i search pictures up for both of them there are so many variations for both. I found a patch once with both pale and death capish type looking amanitas and i got a trusted identifier to identify them as pantherina. I've also ingested browner cap varieties with no potency difference that looked like pantherina/regalis. Really identifying amanita phalloides is very easy for me but the difference between regalis/pantherina is something i cannot figure out
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My rule of thumb is that A.regalis looks pretty much exactly like A.muscaria (except the color), while A.pantherina is smaller and looks little more stout /stocky than the other two.
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paracelsusgold

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Re: amanita muscaria/ pantherina [Re: MushroomMomo]
#23564942 - 08/22/16 02:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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dear mm: you are right about my memory. in my defense of my ignorance here that i have been away from mycological study for quite a few years and at 70 my memory is not that great. anyhow you are correct that i have confused the pantherina with the death cap or another one? (i used to find the destroying angel, A. virosa, at my place in nw arkansas that i still own and it got big); however death from the pantherina can occur and does but apparently rarely. according to kreiger in "the mushroom handbook" related species to the pantherina include: A corthurnata, A. velatipes, and A. pantherinoides. the latter has been found to be definitely poisonous and is a pacific coast species. i never ate any amanitas except the muscaria. 
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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: stevo]
#23566994 - 08/22/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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People really dont tend to like it. I thought it was a pretty crazy atypical psychedelic. That's why when I find a few under a pine tree, I just smoke them, and eat a little bit before smoking. I have no desire to do full oral doses after the last few. It is a very specific thing and the smoked skin is a subtle version of becoming borderline- delerious after eating many grams of them. The formosa variation is mostly what I had dealt with. Very potent. Panthers are good to, but I would cook those pantherinia a bit longer. V. Formosa is just like muscaria.
I am probably more careful about panthers because of a bunch of bullshit I read though. They seem extremely potent. Possibly harder to identify.
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Cube > Amanita
My experience with Amanita was a little nauseating
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Cube is not better. They are both so fantastic it's hard to choose, I'll give you that, but if you got nauseas its because you did too much.
You need to introduce amanita into your system gradually, a little at a time. It doesn't cause nausea this way. The more you get to know the spirit of this crazy mushroom, the more high it will get you. It has a much different learning curve than psilocybin, you need to learn how to adjust to it both physically and mentally, and spiritually as well.
True there are some people who may not like it or not resonate with it at this time. But I am convinced that a large percentage of the people reporting negative or lackluster experiences just did not put in the time or effort to learn to use it properly, not even realizing how much depth it has.
Its not like psilocybin which pulls out all its bells and whistles the first time (well not all its bells and whistles but I mean you dont need to spend weeks/months working with psilocybin to learn how to get high on it). WIth amanita you kinda do in my experience. Its very unique and not like other substances.
I believe it is the king of magic plants.
Let me put it to you like this, if you have decided you don't like amanita and you have had less than 10 experiences with it, you have no idea what you're missing.
After my first 10 trips I still had no real idea what amanita could do or how to use it. Frankly, I am amazed when I read about people trying it once or twice and then making a judgement based on that.
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True there are some people who may not like it or not resonate with it at this time. But I am convinced that a large percentage of the people reporting negative or lackluster experiences just did not put in the time or effort to learn to use it properly, not even realizing how much depth it has.
Are you talking about salvia?
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Peyote Road said: Cube is not better. They are both so fantastic it's hard to choose, I'll give you that, but if you got nauseas its because you did too much.
You need to introduce amanita into your system gradually, a little at a time. It doesn't cause nausea this way. The more you get to know the spirit of this crazy mushroom, the more high it will get you. It has a much different learning curve than psilocybin, you need to learn how to adjust to it both physically and mentally, and spiritually as well.
True there are some people who may not like it or not resonate with it at this time. But I am convinced that a large percentage of the people reporting negative or lackluster experiences just did not put in the time or effort to learn to use it properly, not even realizing how much depth it has.
Its not like psilocybin which pulls out all its bells and whistles the first time (well not all its bells and whistles but I mean you dont need to spend weeks/months working with psilocybin to learn how to get high on it). WIth amanita you kinda do in my experience. Its very unique and not like other substances.
I believe it is the king of magic plants.
Let me put it to you like this, if you have decided you don't like amanita and you have had less than 10 experiences with it, you have no idea what you're missing.
After my first 10 trips I still had no real idea what amanita could do or how to use it. Frankly, I am amazed when I read about people trying it once or twice and then making a judgement based on that.
I agree with this they are totally different substances. Comparing them would be like comparing salvia to lsd and asking which is better. Also for the nausea it may just depend on the patch or type of amanita. I always get nausea on amanita formosa & muscaria but never on pantherina/regalis(don't really know how to tell them apart lol) I've dosed them dozens of times and i've never gotten nausea. Then again the few patches with pantherina/regalis I've found may have just been lucky for me in that they cause no nausea at all. I have never prepared amanita though i usually just eat them raw.
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Thats another thing about amanita. Unlike psilocybin mushrooms which are mostly the same in my experience (and ive only done cubes so I cant speak for other species) with amanita every batch is different. Even the same species, grown in two different locations, can produce very different highs.
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I would tend to compare them for the sake of comparison though. Psi mushrooms are obviously completely different and far more psychedelic, and my cup of tea. Where as amanitas can be a whole different sort of unpleasant.
I Don't find time for Muscaria is what I was saying. You can't quantify the value of things like this, but I know what I find the most value in.
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I very much disagree that psilocybin are "far more psychedelic".
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I just got thru smoking some A. M. skins myself. I like them just as much if not more than psilocybe also. Yes it is true I am an experienced psychonaut & I have never saw some of the things I saw after microdosing on Amanitas & taking melatonin at night. I found out if you use melatonin at night you will somehow kick in your DMT in your brain naturally.(I don't know if this works with everybody) I have done this several times. When I wake up I see spirits & people disappearing & reappearing in broad daylight, and yes I have never saw such on psillycybe. Saw teddybears with crowns of thorns on the computer screen when my brother was playing Runescape & he was seeing his normal screen & even had an alien chase me(and yes I ran when he went from geothermal heat I could see( but they were invisible at times but I could see the heat good & the outlining of their bodies to a tall black man, and when I told him he looked familiar he stuck out a 1 foot tongue. When they reappeared they would be in full color. Have also saw a Wizzard looking man with really long gray hair & a long gray beard, but his face & seemed all bluish colored. one of those times, but he was the only one who could float around & accend from above.I felt like Alice in wonderland & loved it kinda. I have nothing against the game, but don't play it personally. I somehow have incredibly great balance the days after consuming them & feel like a kid again full of energy. I walked into a store the other day no lie walked up to the counter(about 4 ft. away), the woman dropped the stores cordless phone & I reached right out & caught it with ease really fast. Everyone who saw said how did you was a great catch. I replied" I have fast reflexes". This is a Religious mushroom. Peace & Love
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One time on Amanita I saw fairies.
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I found Amanitas visionary so powerfull, they play much more with your own imagination than any other drug. On high doses, everything I think about is transformed into an image in my head so I can see what I think. This leads so far that sometimes I have open eye visuals where things morph into what I'm thinking about. So I absolutly do believe that someone has seen fairies or dwarfs on Amanitas, as I have already seen some crazy shit.
Psilocybe mushrooms on the other hand lack this visionary power. They tend to transport feelings and moods better than pictures. They make me relive past memories and make me "feel" them from different perspectives, but it's more of a superior force coming from outside that I'm inferior to. On Amanitas I have more control of myself, my thoughts, my trip. It's like my own power, coming from deep within myself.
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