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NMT....Acacia extracts....Anyone have experience with the NMT rich goo? * 1
    #23557420 - 08/19/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So do we have more of an idea of what the general nature of NMT is like?


I haven't dug around the nexus in recent times to see what the consensus over there is on NMT, and its effects/character....or comparison of it to DMT. Last time I looked into NMT specifically was a few years ago, and at the time there was virtually no reports about it....just a few people mentioning a few notes about their personal observations between smoked acacia extracts and smoked mimosa extracts. Since acacia bark has become more popular in recent times, I figured there's got to be more reports/info about NMT.



From what I understand...NMT will not precip and fall out of cold naptha in crystal form, it will remain a gooey/oily like consistency. So if one is getting nothing but crystals from their acacia extracts then that particular bark has no to low concentrations of NMT. But if one is getting a lot of goo, then chances are there's a lot of NMT in it. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that.


What made me start this thread, besides just being curious about NMT in general, is that I smoked a small amount of some gooey stuff yesterday and it was distinctly different than "DMT". It was mostly a clear/slightly brown gooey oil, and there was some crystals (DMT) mixed in with it...the stuff had also turned a bit brown & darkened from being old/oxidizing :shrug: .




It was a small amount that I had left in an old container so I figured I'd smoke it while out on a nature walk, no where near enough for a breakthrough...The initial feeling in my body and head came on as usual in the same manner that DMT does (and there was obviously some DMT in with it). But after a few moments I could notice a pronounced difference compared to what I'm used to with dmt crystals...

...now here's the struggle to get those differences into words :smirk: . It came on just as quick as usual, the initial "rush" was felt as I was hitting the pipe, but where it's different is that it continued to build up in intensity in a slow manner. I'm speculating that what I felt initially may have been the little bit of DMT, but then a different wave came up underneath that and kept progressing in intensity for several minutes. The visuals were pretty different than smoked DMT crystals, though still very tryptamine in nature, looking at a tree line across the river I was sitting along it looked like an impressionist paiting...Soft blurry, fuzzy colors, all ebbing & flowing...With objects up close, it felt like I had sharp visual acuity, noticing every little object that was moving about simultaneously (from the wind), and in clear detail. Colors were on the darker side.

My mind felt noticeably clearer and sharper than it is on small amounts of smoked DMT, like my executive functions weren't broken down all that much . It was such a calm and tranquil head space, very visual and a pleasant buzz in the body, but not so much affect on my mind/thoughts/emotions.

It lasted for at least 8 minutes or so before I started to slowly come down....Since it built up so slowly, and since it plateaued and lasted longer then expected, there was a brief moment in the middle of it all where I was thinking "how long is this going to last?" (sun was setting and I had to drive home soon after) .





Anyway...that's my terrible attempt at trying to convey some observations. While it was happening my mind was clear enough that I was actually trying to observe & make note of what differences I noticed, because very quickly I noticed it was different feeling then just DMT crystals. If I smoked an equal size bit of just DMT crystals, my mind wouldn't have been clear enough to think about such things.


And this was with a small amount...really curious what a large proper dose of the goo would be like.





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Re: NMT....Acacia extracts....Anyone have experience with the NMT rich goo? [Re: openmind]
    #23557890 - 08/19/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hey there, nice report!

NMT is kind of a mystery... I don't think goo is a good indicator of the amount of NMT present in an extract, since I've had gooey MHRB extracts that were definitely all DMT and crystalline ACRB extracts that were powerful but not at all visual, which would indicate a higher ratio of NMT. And yeah, there was definitely less of a mindfrick with those extracts, as you describe. I also think remember reading a few reliable people saying that NMT will freeze precipitate out of naptha.

I have all my acacia extracts in fumarate salts right now, but I'm interested in trying to separate the NMT and DMT and try the NMT on it's own in orally with harmalas without DMT contamination. DMT is cool, but the visuals can be distracting and confusing, whereas I agree with you that NMT seems like a much clearer headspace.

This thread has a lot of good info, including a pretty simple looking paper chromatography method (post #25) for separating DMT from NMT without destroying the NMT the way some other methods posted on the nexus do.

As for what a larger dose of the goo would do... well I guess you will just have to try it and find out!


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Re: NMT....Acacia extracts....Anyone have experience with the NMT rich goo? [Re: FriendlyFace]
    #23558868 - 08/20/16 12:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Is it really dependent on the bark, and not on the extraction method? I have never gotten goo


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Re: NMT....Acacia extracts....Anyone have experience with the NMT rich goo? [Re: mushpunx] * 2
    #23558901 - 08/20/16 12:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I've had a lot of experiences with the goo as I have been extracting from acacia for the last 5 or so years over the course of many batches, some extra gooey, some more crystalline.

My experiences with what I believe to be high ratio NMT to DMT containing extracts are always consistently more otherworldly, lengthy,and immersive. I get entity contact from this nearly every single time I smoke it, and feel like the body sensations are far more enjoyable than those produced by white DMT. Everyone I give it to says it's the best DMT they've tried.

I myself have stopped extracting white crystalline DMT in favor of the acacia bark NMT heavy goo. The yields are better, the experience is better, and there's honestly no reason not to.

You have to use a solvent like xylene or toluene to pick up the full spectrum of alkaloids from the bark, and make sure you freeze and heat your extraction vessels multiple, mutiple times to really lose the cell walls of the bark.

:shrug: Just my two cents here.


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Re: NMT....Acacia extracts....Anyone have experience with the NMT rich goo? [Re: WeAreMushroom]
    #23558958 - 08/20/16 01:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

My trouble with the goo is storage related. Crystals are much easier to store


Unless you make leaf of course


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Re: NMT....Acacia extracts....Anyone have experience with the NMT rich goo? [Re: mushpunx]
    #23559214 - 08/20/16 06:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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mushpunx said:
Is it really dependent on the bark, and not on the extraction method? I have never gotten goo





My first ACRB extractions yields a weak golden goo. I used Thick Lights Tek, no freeze step. Makes a great low dose DMT trip that u can gradually "stack" with repeated hits.

Ive tried regular DMT from a dealer (my first time).

For me, it seems to be potency is the biggest difference. The goo is more traquil and subtle, DMT crystal is more powerful, intense, with little crystal.

The goo has more of a shroomy feel to it, while the other crystal had more of an alien, mind-bending effect.

I have very little experience with both, but more experience with goo. Wish i could compare them more.

I enjoy the goo but the smoke is very harsh.


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Re: NMT....Acacia extracts....Anyone have experience with the NMT rich goo? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23559368 - 08/20/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I believe this contains a lot of fats and waxes, yuck, dmt n oxide and a fair amount of nmt. Eventually it formed very soft crystals. This mix of alkaloids seems to produce more of a masturbatory effect...crazy visuals and body novacaine but still in this physical plane.

The other half of the extraction is a tool for revealing the true nature of whatever it is we're experiencing.

I typically end up falling through my soul serpent and can see "the pool" but am always pulled back to the physical reality before reaching it. 

Sorry, not trying to get off topic.


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