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Two Quick Questions - aerial mycelium in colonizing monotub and prep for soft wheat berries
#23556942 - 08/19/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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1- I am currently doing a monotub, it's colonizing, hopefully well. I am noticing aerial mycellium though. The holes are currently duct taped. Is this bad? Should I change something about it?
2- I have some soft wheat berries because where I am currently rye is inconvenient to acquire and I ran out of what I had left. Should I prep it regularly? Last jars I did had a 24 hour soak and 10 minute boil, but I ended up with some burst kennels. I'm thinking less of a soak, and maybe only a simmer for these since they seem to be softer than rye.
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Re: Two Quick Questions - aerial mycelium in colonizing monotub and prep for soft wheat berries [Re: Huskies]
#23556992 - 08/19/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey! I'm still just learning about all this, so if you get some more educated responses I'd be curious to read them too. But here's my thoughts:
1: Every monotub I've done so far has had aerial mycelium, especially in the earlier stages before consolidation when it's still figuring out where the surface is, and I don't think it's a problem at all. Just make sure the tub isn't getting ANY fresh air, but has a way for a little gas to escape. The aerial myc tends to flatten out while the sub consolidates, and any that's left when you put it in fruiting isn't an issue in my experience. I think the amount just has to do with the genetics, like rhizomorphic growth.
2: I don't wanna make another long post here, but I just shared a lot of my thoughts on grain in this thread. I was talking about my experience with rye and wbs but I think it totally applies to wheat as well--maybe even more so.
Hope that helps you out man! Good luck!
Edit: Here's a link to my other post if you don't wanna read the whole thread.
Edited by hobofungus (08/19/16 02:07 PM)
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Re: Two Quick Questions - aerial mycelium in colonizing monotub and prep for soft wheat berries [Re: hobofungus]
#23557057 - 08/19/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Follow a grain TEK before you try to wing it If you have rye follow a rye prep. Likewise for wbs or wheat
Monotubs do not consolidate they colonize then are fruited. Consolidation is for PF cakes
Post a picture. Aerial mycelium of your descriptions seems like a response to bacteria
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Re: Two Quick Questions - aerial mycelium in colonizing monotub and prep for soft wheat berries [Re: bodhisatta]
#23557101 - 08/19/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't have any pictures of mine in that stage, I'll try and take one as soon as I see an example of what I'm talking about. But I usually only have aerial myc happening at the very beginning, and I always put a thin layer of just sub with no grains on top, and I was under the impression from reading this thread that it was totally normal. Also there's been a few times where I noticed fluffier myc spots that were probably a response to bacteria, but after searching I read some posts from RR that seemed to indicate a little bacteria in a bulk sub wasn't necessarily bad. I always pasteurize first, but my AC was broken for a while so I had my tubs colonizing too hot and a lot of condensation and metabolites, but they fruited fine for MS and flushed 5 times before going moldy.
I've been fruiting my monotubs uncased while I experiment with casing layers on smaller things, so I've been letting them go a few days after full colonization to get a more solid white and start to pull away from the sides. Should I definitely just be fruiting them straight away, or are there advantages to both methods?
Edit: The reason I mentioned genetics is that the B+ I've been working with on all my tubs so far has been really aggressive and rhizomorphic compared to any other myc I've seen, in grain jars side by side with other strains it just goes way faster and in the tubs it's sending rhizomorphic bits up the walls like an inch high, way before it's done colonizing the middle. I did a lot of searching and never got the impression it was a bad thing...am I really just being an idiot noob and it's trying to escape all the bacteria? lol
Edited by hobofungus (08/19/16 02:44 PM)
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Re: Two Quick Questions - aerial mycelium in colonizing monotub and prep for soft wheat berries [Re: bodhisatta]
#23557167 - 08/19/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Trusted Cultivator said: Follow a grain TEK before you try to wing it If you have rye follow a rye prep. Likewise for wbs or wheat
Dude, I don't wanna hijack this thread or waste your time, but I started with good grain teks and then kinda merged them to find my own method, and I've done more batches of successful grain now than I can remember to count, because I'm tripping on my shroomies a little right now lol. Could you please read my post in that other thread and let me know if you think it's total bullshit or if it has merit? I feel like a lot of people don't think of grains and starch from a culinary angle, but it makes things easier for me personally.
If it's uncool of me to ask just let me know, haha...again, I'm tripping on the fruits I grew learning from this site, I joined over a year ago but I found everything I needed with the search engine and just finally decided to start posting myself. I'm having so much fun with this hobby and I couldn't resist the opportunity to learn from an expert.
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Re: Two Quick Questions - aerial mycelium in colonizing monotub and prep for soft wheat berries [Re: hobofungus]
#23557178 - 08/19/16 03:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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For the most part that's why we change out the water a lot. So they don't turn into a concrete block
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Re: Two Quick Questions - aerial mycelium in colonizing monotub and prep for soft wheat berries [Re: bodhisatta]
#23557187 - 08/19/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh, so letting it keep getting thicker after full colonization just makes it harder to absorb water? That makes a lot of sense.
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Re: Two Quick Questions - aerial mycelium in colonizing monotub and prep for soft wheat berries [Re: hobofungus]
#23560682 - 08/20/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Due to an unrelated emergency, the grains ended up soaking for a bit more than 24 hours.
They smell slightly fermented.
Is this a toss situation?
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Re: Two Quick Questions - aerial mycelium in colonizing monotub and prep for soft wheat berries [Re: Huskies]
#23561052 - 08/20/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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nope there fine....they always stink lol
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