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Shrooms4fun
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First Time Attempt
#23556704 - 08/19/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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So after doing a lot of research and slowly gathering materials i am about to attempt my first grow. I have compiled and gathered a lot of different information and have put together what i feel will be an easy and efficient way to grow in bulk im just posting here for feed back as well as other thoughts and ideas.
First off i will be using the BRF Tek as it seems to be the simplest route to go and does not require the use of a pressure cooker the instructions i will be following for the cakes and prep will be the information i have gathered from this youtube video:
as far as that series go's the only thing im really taking from it is the cake preparation and im also debating on adding (if i recall correctly) 1tsp of gypsum per cake into the mix as well.
as far as lids are concerned i will be using metal lids pretty simple as they came with my half pint jars i will be making my own filters with a tek i found here on the forum using 1/2 inch sheet polyfill and an iron apparently these filters are the equivalent to an SFD. Resources for this information was found here:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19938845/fpart/1/vc/1
i also intend on using a Tote-in-Tote incubator to speed up the mycelium growth following a tek written by frank located here:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17954773/fpart/1/vc/1
Substrates im not so sure about yet or what exactly im going to do or in what measurements i do have a lot of the basic things to create a substrate for my monotub. Gypsum, coir (actually i have 1 giant brick which was a bad idea it will mess with my measurement accuracy), dried horse manure, perlite, and vermiculite. I ned to figure out how to deal with that large brick if coir i bought off amazon...i think its more to expand than i can do in a 5 gallon bucket. Im also not sure exactly how i would like to pasteurize anything yet i kinda like franks methos in the quart jars ( look here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17246844#17246844 ) but im not exactly sure if i will get the correct field capacity and all of that correct using that method.
The Coir i bought: https://www.amazon.com/Roots-Organics-Compressed-Fiber-Fertilizer/dp/B00IGFGNMU/ref=pd_nav_hcs_bia_t_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=SQJC8D3YA268JYS99G2D
now for the monotub part of the project i am combining 2 teks that are very informative, one is absolutly great for the actual construction and fits nicely with the ironed out polyfill tek and the other has great information on how to prepare and dial in my mono tub and what to look for and all of those great things
construction of monotub: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20115107
how to dial it in and what to watch for: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777#17332777
what i really need to figure out for my monotub is a decent way to make some sort of permanent liner to pull the substrate out as a whole for harvest, the thought has crossed my mind to just buy another tub the same size as my monotub and cut the bottom 4 inches off or so and use that as a liner but that feels like such a waste and the tubs are not exactly cheap.
i think as far as supplies all i really need to get around to make everything work as i would like is a fish tank air pump 2 more tubs (one to make a SOB with and one to build a monotub with) and that should be about it for the bare minimum, as far as strain choice i chose to grow Cambodian as i have herd from somewhere (i dont remember the exact souce honestly) that this is a noob friendly strain.
My work area is going to be my damp and nasty basement ive got leaky water pipes and all that great crap down there it even smells musty but its the only spot i have to work with, i have how ever put together a plan to clean it all up and sanitize it spray everything down walls and all with some industrial chlorine i happen to come across to kill any mildew/mold/fungal contaminants floating around down there.
station attire i have gotten some non breathing thin Bio suits non-latex unsterilized gloves full face-shield respirators 70% iso TONS of lysol 91% iso (will use this for the burner as i have read the higher percent does not mean more sanitary/sterile).
thoughts and plans for the near future i would like to play around with liquid cultures i have read a lot about them and they seem to be a good way to create a good infinite supply of mycelium to inoculate sterilized jars with. the teks i have been reading for the LC process are as follows:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12830423/fpart/1/vc/1
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7990164
my end goal is to prolong the purchase of an expensive pressure cooker as long as possible for the time being as i do not own or have access to one at this point in time.
any how that pretty much concludes everything i have gathered over the last few weeks and how i intend on going about things if anyone has any feed back thoughts or ideas and im even good with constructive criticism if you wish to apply it i would love to hear from you. if you feel i have left out a detail or some part of information that is not exactly clear feel free to ask it may be something i didnt think about even.
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bodhisatta 
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Skip the tub in a tub incubator
No airpumps
Your monotub liner is a trash bag
Buy a pressure cooker skip the bullshit you're adding on to good TEKs so they will actually work
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Shrooms4fun
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Trusted Cultivator said: Skip the tub in a tub incubator
No airpumps
the TiT thing is something i have read a lot of mixed feelings about some people say use them to reduce time (a lot of the BRF teks i have read actually say to use them) others say they cause issues. The air pump is for the TiT to circulate the water and maintain an even temprature.
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Your monotub liner is a trash bag
does it all remove in a pretty solid piece with just a trashbag? i would think it would remove rather flimsily and cause the substrate to break apart or something to that effect
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Buy a pressure cooker skip the bullshit
affordability is the primary issue here i would like to buy one eventually but would like to start this without one for the time being not having one limits me too much to following particular methods but at this point in time it really is not feasable to drop $70 on one at walmart
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you're adding on to good TEKs so they will actually work
not sure i know what you mean here. im taking parts of teks that i like or am capable of doing or getting materials for and just going with a plan that should all be uniform and essentially all of the processes are the same but the construction of some parts i just like better than the others like Franks TiT or the way that video sterilized the BRF jars with no PC.
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bodhisatta 
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The only thing more useless than an incubator is a hygrometer
If your temperature is above 65 you're fine
Trash bags totally don't work I was just lying about that.........
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trash bags are fine for liners. I just leave them flat, and cut them to size.
Pick 1 tek first. They aren't like legos, don't mix and match. No PC? You're basically relegated to pf tek.
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Shrooms4fun
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dankington said: Pick 1 tek first. They aren't like legos, don't mix and match.
well is there a specific tek someplace that describes going from BRF cake to a monotub tho? i dont feel that fruiting and such (shown in the other parts of that youtube video)should be done souley on the cake itself and a perlite bed.
like i stated before i only used parts of other teks for things like constructing jar lids and things of that nature.
this guide here describes just about everything i want to do aside from the monotub for colonizing and fruiting:
http://www.fungifun.org/English/Pftek#a1
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bodhisatta 
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I always say fruit cakes as cakes. It's not nearly worth the hassle to use them as spawn for a bulk grow other than experience.
If you want a mono spend they money you would have on cake shit, (plus what you spent on incubators, heating pads, humidifiers, air pumps) and buy two pressure cookers
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Shrooms4fun
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Trusted Cultivator said: I always say fruit cakes as cakes. It's not nearly worth the hassle to use them as spawn for a bulk grow other than experience.
experiance is my key factor tho and the fact i have zero experience makes me want to take the simpler route }(the PF or BRF tek) while trying to go bulk at the same time....i dont understand why once i have obtained spawn mycelium why it would not spread to the monotote environment i would like to understand exactly why this perception would not work in my favor or why you find it as a bad idea in detail.
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korn16ftl3 said:
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Trusted Cultivator said: I always say fruit cakes as cakes. It's not nearly worth the hassle to use them as spawn for a bulk grow other than experience.
experiance is my key factor tho and the fact i have zero experience makes me want to take the simpler route }(the PF or BRF tek) while trying to go bulk at the same time....i dont understand why once i have obtained spawn mycelium why it would not spread to the monotote environment i would like to understand exactly why this perception would not work in my favor or why you find it as a bad idea in detail.
so it will take 20+ cakes to make a full monotub. given you are starting from spores, you have almost a 100% gaurentee that one of those 20 some cakes will be contaminated and ruin the entire fucking monotub. the only way to do cakes->monotub is to inoculate the cakes with a clean liquid agar solution, not spores. spores are never clean, and pf-tek cakes are the only viable method to grow from spores.
fruit them as cakes via the PF Tek if you actually want mushrooms and not failure aka 'experience'
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If you spend some time on the cultivation forum, you'll notice that 99% of TiT and air pumps are heavily frowned upon. Been lurking on shroomery for about 6 months and I can recall maybe one post where TiT actually worked. If you've done your research then I'd say you were reading very outdated info.
Also, pressure cookers are not $70...more like $40 and half that if you get one second hand.Pressure cooker and a SAB are the two most versatile and essential tools you'll buy in this hobby imo. Lets you try out basic teks like PF tek and also advanced work with isolating strains on agar. I say that a pressure cooker is a worthwhile investment if you want to keep up with this hobby.
Edited by busutdori (08/19/16 10:05 PM)
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Re: First Time Attempt [Re: busutdori]
#23558510 - 08/19/16 10:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Boogieman47
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Amazon is probably the cheapest at 79$ for a 23 qt and good luck finding a used one unless you're into 6-10 qt ones
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Shrooms4fun
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Munchauzen said:
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busutdori said: Also, pressure cookers are not $70...more like $40
used maybe
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Presto-23-Qt-Pressure-Canner/2625289 https://www.amazon.com/Presto-01781-23-Quart-Pressure-Canner/dp/B0000BYCFU
not much reason to buy anything less than a 23 quart
the one locally here in town was about $60 but i dont think it reached the 15 PSI called for in a lot of the procedures here and i think its a bit smaller than 23QT. its canning season around here and this stuff is set out at our local retailers.
from what i have gathered a second hand pressure cooker isent always a good idea i did see one at a yard sale but it was missing the steam rocker and they wanted like $20 for it so i passed on that.
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Kjay123
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All I hear is spores are no good for monotubs, or grain substrates , I did two and 12 regular pf cakes , my first grow , my monotub is on its second flush now , I buried one bag out back and got a huge 245g wet flush , 10 of cakes worked fine , 4 took an extra week but are just now starting to fruit , I understand the benefits of isolation and agar , but giving newbies bullshit info is not cool "experts"
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Re: First Time Attempt [Re: Kjay123]
#23559668 - 08/20/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: First Time Attempt [Re: Kjay123]
#23559674 - 08/20/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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a "huge" 245g wet flush from a bag isn't amazing at all. In fact, I typically get 245+g wet from a quart of spawn in a mini mono. we simply like to try and optimize results, so… no need to get your panties in an uproar.
Spores directly to grain is just so dicey. That's why we recommend people use either agar or pf cakes.
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Two quarts MS AA+ on oats Two quarts MS ESS on oats 54quart sterlite locking lid tub One brick coir + quart vermiculite No gypsum
First flush dry 5.5 oz

If spores don't work don't blame the spores. There's enough genetics in even a limited MS grow (spores diluted before inoculation or a couple agar transfers IE less strains) that you can push it to perform if given adequate conditions (clean spawn, proper moisture and moisture maintenance of needed, and fruiting conditions)
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Kjay123
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I got a massive cluster , all connected to one or two main stems , weighing in at 245gs, still getting fruits every morning from it , so I am not sure if it's on its last leg, or first flush still
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Re: First Time Attempt [Re: Kjay123]
#23559987 - 08/20/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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My total dry weight on my first grow right now is at 2.5 oz, all still going , my monotub is just starting to pin again , Cakes didn't put out too much , but at least they are producing , down to 11 out of 12 jars still going , ALL MS SYRINGES, and my grain bags worked great with multi spore , my first topic , I had multiple "pros" treat me like a dick and tried to convince me all my shit was contaminated, real welcoming place too guys , I wonder how many newbies you guys put off to this hobby , not directed towards everyone , just some of you jerk offs
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Re: First Time Attempt [Re: Kjay123]
#23560015 - 08/20/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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No one was trying to treat you like a dick or be dicks well in a good way I guess all the pros or vets or however you wanna call them tell you what works and what doesn't man you may get lucky a few times but what they are trying to do is steer you in the right direction of this hobby if you can't take the criticism don't ask questions or suck it up trust me it's frustrating but I'm sure just like anyone else that starts this they have done some stupid shit which is why they tell you what they tell you don't take it personally
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